AMD Announces the $999 Radeon RX 7900 XTX and $899 RX 7900 XT, 5nm RDNA3, DisplayPort 2.1, FSR 3.0 FluidMotion

[Zach_01]

If it was really that close they'd have shown benchmarks - they always did when they were gloating. Yet they didn't. They don't even believe in their own product. They shat on Nvidia all night for cable issues, display port support, gpu size, power consumption but when it came to showing off their product they did nothing.

So the 6900xt wasn't a 3090 competitor? Are they just changing competition every gen based on how sucky their flagship product is?

They were proudly showing off their 6000 series gpu products yet they barely showed anything now. Even if it was 10-15% slower than the 4090 it would have still been decent considering the price tag yet they still didn't dare to show their own product's benchmark results which would already be cherry picked. It's suspicious and then Azor comes out and says 7900xtx's main competitor is the 4080?

That is your interpretation and you're entitled to...
Show off is for juveniles and school kids.

A direct comparison to competition is not a show off. They didnt do it because they've decided to take the efficiency road this time. Less cost on power delivery, coolers... etc... And they probably going to come close to 4090 without braking the bank.
Anything wrong about that?

Their design (from RDNA2 and on) is cheap and probably they kept their profit margins high since they've made it even more production efficient with the cache chiplets.

nVidia does not have a direct product on the market right now for that price range so there is no point to show slides where they are below the competition even if they priced it at 60% of the 4090.
Prices are forgotten more easily than raw performance on slides.

I guess marketing is not for everybody...

 

[AusWolf]

I think the good times are over for AMD. They had it easy against 14nm Skylake and Nvidia on older and inferior process nodes.
But now both Intel and Nvidia are getting serious. The milking of 14nm++++++ is over and Nvidia returned to cutting-edge TSMC process.
I have a solution for AMD thought. Lisa Su can always spend some more billions on share buybacks.

I disagree. They kind of F-ed up the AM5 launch with the expensive motherboard and memory prices, but I'm positive about their GPU business. Nvidia seems to be going balls-to-the-walls with their size, power usage and price, which leaves a hole for AMD to fill: power-efficient, yet still decent gaming at relatively affordable prices, which is what the 7000 series will be targeted at, imo.

 

[mahoney]

They showed what they intended the 7900 XTX for, which is 8K gaming at 60+ FPS thanks to FSR. If it's not a 4090 competitor, then there's no point comparing it to the 4090, is there?

Like I said, I don't recall Nvidia showing more numbers and AMD comparisons during their product launches, yet no one complains.

But then why did they compare the 6900xt to the 3090. I'll tell you why because it was on almost equal terms performance wise. Tells you alot about RDNA3 which was supposed to be the this big performance leap with AMD taking the lead with having the fastest gpu on the market. Nvidia were proudly saying what an amazing performance leap the 4090 is gonna be yet nobody believed their bullshit marketing until the reviewers got the cards in their hands.

That is your interpretation and you're entitled to...
Show off is for juveniles and school kids.

A direct comparison to competition is not a show off. They didnt do it because they've decided to take the efficiency road this time. Less cost on power delivery, coolers... etc... And they probably going to come close to 4090 without braking the bank.
Anything wrong about that?

Their design (from RDNA2 and on) is cheap and probably they kept their profit margins high since they've made it even more production efficient with the cache chiplets.

nVidia does not have a direct product on the market right now for that price range so there is no point to show slides where they are below the competition even if they priced it at 60% of the 4090.
Prices are forgotten more easily than raw performance on slides.

I guess marketing is not for everybody...

Then what is AMD? They were literally throwing shades at Nvidia all night and then had nothing to show for it. What does that tell about them?

 

[AusWolf]

But then why did they compare the 6900xt to the 3090. I'll tell you why because it was on almost equal terms performance wise. Tells you alot about RDNA3 which was supposed to be the this big performance leap with AMD taking the lead with having the fastest gpu on the market.

Who said that? And why would you want a $999 graphics card to be faster than a $1600 one? You're not making much sense.

Nvidia were proudly saying what an amazing performance leap the 4090 is gonna be yet nobody believed their bullshit marketing until the reviewers got the cards in their hands.

...which also comes with an insane price tag, a 4-slot cooler, a new, but fragile power connector, and a TDP that's in outer space. AMD is taking the opposite route this time, that's why you see no comparison.

 

[Zach_01]

Then what is AMD? They were literally throwing shades at Nvidia all night and then had nothing to show for it. What does that tell about them?

So they aren't allowed to talk about new features of their product? What's that about?

And yes, you're not making much sense and I'm lead to believe that you're here just for bash and complains for the sake of it.
And please find me 1 official AMD statement prior to RX7000 presentation that they claimed the raw performance crown...

 

[AusWolf]

Then what is AMD? They were literally throwing shades at Nvidia all night and then had nothing to show for it. What does that tell about them?

Scott H. said that the 7900 series won't need a new power connector and that it fits into your current case. I wouldn't really say it was "all night". More like 2 minutes (which is perfectly sensible, imo).

 

[mahoney]

So they aren't allowed to talk about new features of their product? What's that about?

And yes, you're not making much sense and I'm lead to believe that you're here just for bash and complains for the sake of it.
And please find me 1 official AMD statement prior to RX7000 presentation that they claimed the raw performance crown...

Most of their presentation was bs. 8k gaming - bs, display port - bs for this gen, new monitor commercial - bs again. Then they threw in some FPS numbers for the 7900xtx. I mean the whole presentation was a nightmare.

 

[AusWolf]

Most of their presentation was bs. 8k gaming - bs, display port - bs for this gen, new monitor commercial - bs again. Then they threw in some FPS numbers for the 7900xtx. I mean the whole presentation was a nightmare.

You don't care about 8K gaming. Neither do I. But if that's what the 7900 series is targeted at, then why should they waste time talking about something else?

Edit: Besides, I also don't care if the 7900 XTX can do 500 or 600 FPS in CS:GO at 1080p. I'm more interested in the technical titbits which will trickle down to cheaper 7000-series cards, too. From this point of view, it was a good presentation, as it had plenty of it (chiplet design, reworked architecture, FSR 3.0, power efficiency, etc.).

 

[Zach_01]

You don't care about 8K gaming. Neither do I. But if that's what the 7900 series is targeted at, then why should they waste time talking about something else?

People demand slides of FPS...
Well they have to wait for reviews.

I mean what ever AMD could have done the bashing was 100% sure.
I guess they did disrupt the market after all with those prices and the claimed performance over their own previous gen.
Checked!

 

[AusWolf]

People demand slides of FPS...
Well they have to wait for reviews.

Which has always been the case during every single product launch. I don't see how this one is different.

 

[medi01]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1588584362148171777

Are you saying that AMD's $999 graphics card is shit

I'm saying you have amazing reading comprehension skillz....

If it was really that close they'd have shown benchmarks - they always did

Lies. They've never did that.

 

[AusWolf]

I'm saying you have amazing reading comprehension skillz....

It wasn't clear from your post whether you're attacking or defending. All you wrote is some extrapolated data (which is fine). That's why I was asking. There's no need for insults.

 

[medi01]

It wasn't clear from your post whether you're attacking or defending.

I've just shared elaborate perf estimates. Why does it need to be attacking or defending?

 

[AusWolf]

I've just shared elaborate perf estimates. Why does it need to be attacking or defending?

Fair enough.

 

[mahoney]

You don't care about 8K gaming. Neither do I. But if that's what the 7900 series is targeted at, then why should they waste time talking about something else?

Edit: Besides, I also don't care if the 7900 XTX can do 500 or 600 FPS in CS:GO at 1080p. I'm more interested in the technical titbits which will trickle down to cheaper 7000-series cards, too. From this point of view, it was a good presentation, as it had plenty of it (chiplet design, reworked architecture, FSR 3.0, power efficiency, etc.).

Are you joking? It's a gimmick just like Nvidia did it in the past. Even GN called them out for that bullshit

 

[Blaeza]

I like the cards they are going to release. Not that I'll get one but it does seem better value for money if you just want a rasterisation based GPU.

 

[mahoney]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1588584362148171777

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I'm saying you have amazing reading comprehension skillz....


Lies. They've never did that.

I've already posted facts a few pages back.
They showed benchmarks 6000 series, 5000 series, Radeon 7 and Vega. That's going 6 years back

 

[AusWolf]

Are you joking? It's a gimmick just like Nvidia did it in the past. Even GN called them out for that bullshit

GN calls everybody out for literally everything. That's what they do.

Just see the rest of my post as an answer: the video was also full of technical bits that I'm interested in, without shit-talking about the competition. That's my conclusion.

 

[mahoney]

GN calls everybody out for literally everything. That's what they do.

Just see the rest of my post as an answer: the video was also full of technical bits that I'm interested in, without shit-talking about the competition. That's my conclusion.

Because it was an absolute shit take from AMD. Do you seriously believe a card that's significantly slower at 4k vs 4090 is gonna be considered an 8k card? Who's the dumbo here? AMD or their fanboys?

 

[AusWolf]

Because it was an absolute shit take from AMD. Do you seriously believe a card that's significantly slower at 4k vs 4090 is gonna be considered an 8k card? Who's the dumbo here? AMD or their fanboys?

The presentation showed that the 7900 XTX can do 8K 60 FPS with some level of FSR applied. You can appreciate this, or not, but this has nothing to do with the 4090 whatsoever.

A lot of GN's "calling out" is pointless shit-talk about miniscule details just for the views. Whether this one is one of those or not, I'll leave it up to individual judgement (I personally think it is).

 

[mahoney]

The presentation showed that the 7900 XTX can do 8K 60 FPS with some level of FSR applied. You can appreciate this, or not, but this has nothing to do with the 4090 whatsoever.

A lot of GN's "calling out" is pointless shit-talk about miniscule details just for the views. Whether this one is one of those or not, I'll leave it up to individual judgement.

Because it is a joke yet some of you can't even see it. That's exactly why the whole presentation was so stupid.
-Throwing shades at Nvidia every chance they got and making their fanboys think the 7900xtx was actually super fast to then not even compare it with nvidia's gpu.
- Ridiciliously stupid presentations - 8k gaming, the display port 800hz, throwing 7900xtx fps out and making viewers guess what they were meant to be(max,avg?),
- That monitor advertisement
-Not bothering with showing their cherrypicked benchmarks vs any of their old flagships or Nvidia's.
...

 

[kapone32]

Wouldn't it be funny if AMD is sandbagging the performance. The trend in GPUs is that AMD shows the performance vs what was released and Nvidia "release" a Super or brand new card to respond. This time Nvidia will not know the performance of these cards until 2 weeks before Xmas. Looking at it as objectively as possible the specs it should translate to a very fast card compared to 6000. If AMD's claims ring true we will see 50% more performance per watt. The thing about that is that these cards use more power as well. At the least I expect any Game to play at 4K

 

[Zach_01]

Wouldn't it be funny if AMD is sandbagging the performance. The trend in GPUs is that AMD shows the performance vs what was released and Nvidia "release" a Super or brand new card to respond. This time Nvidia will not know the performance of these cards until 2 weeks before Xmas. Looking at it as objectively as possible the specs it should translate to a very fast card compared to 6000. If AMD's claims ring true we will see 50% more performance per watt. The thing about that is that these cards use more power as well. At the least I expect any Game to play at 4K

I think that AMD has more in the sandbag.
AIB 7900XT/XTX can push power/performance further to match or exceed 4090 rasterization performance and when the 4090Ti comes they can present a 7950XTX with even higher clocks, more compute units, more infinity cache, and faster GDDR6, and do it all over again.
If 4090Ti FE is in the 550~600W region its not all that bad if AMD can go right next to it (500~550W) right?

From my perspective AMD has more options and more head room for improvement at least for now, comparing the RTX40 vs RX7000.

 

[AsRock]

I still think comparing to the rival in a launch presentation is a sign of inferiority.

It's like comparing your muscles, your car, (your penis), etc. to someone else's. Only insecure people do that. When you know you've got what it takes, you just don't care.

Thing is they attacked nVidia but when it came to make a real show of how good the 7900XTX was a fail performance wise, on top of that they went chip-let to make it cheaper but the price is still hiked up.

They should be ashamed on the detail release on the card(s), they acted like kids.

 

[kapone32]

Thing is they attacked nVidia but when it came to make a real show of how good the 7900XTX was a fail performance wise, on top of that they went chip-let to make it cheaper but the price is still hiked up.

They should be ashamed on the detail release on the card(s), they acted like kids.

Time will tell if your sentiment holds true

I think that AMD has more in the sandbag.
AIB 7900XT/XTX can push power/performance further to match or exceed 4090 rasterization performance and when the 4090Ti comes they can present a 7950XTX with even higher clocks, more compute units, more infinity cache, and faster GDDR6, and do it all over again.
If 4090Ti FE is in the 550~600W region its not all that bad if AMD can go right next to it (500~550W) right?

From my perspective AMD has more options and more head room for improvement at least for now, comparing the RTX40 vs RX7000.

I didn't even think about that. Didn;t they increase the Infinty cache size? That alone should have benefits,