AMD Announces the $999 Radeon RX 7900 XTX and $899 RX 7900 XT, 5nm RDNA3, DisplayPort 2.1, FSR 3.0 FluidMotion

[ARF]

What about the 6700 non-XT?

Yes, It has 10 GB VRAM and is sold for 402.90.
I always skip it because I think it was an OEM only offer.

AMD Radeon RX 6700 Grafikkarte (2022) Preisvergleich | Günstig bei idealo kaufen
3x RX 6700 -> Radeon RX Serie -> Grafikkarten (VGA) -> Hardware | Mindfactory.de

 

[tvshacker]

Yes, It has 10 GB VRAM and is sold for 402.90.
I always skip it because I think it was an OEM only offer.

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AMD Radeon RX 6700 Grafikkarte (2022) Preisvergleich | Günstig bei idealo kaufen
3x RX 6700 -> Radeon RX Serie -> Grafikkarten (VGA) -> Hardware | Mindfactory.de

A while back it was common to find it at prices very close to the 6650XT, while having better performance and less power draw.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

This is actually the thing people are arguing about. AMD pretty clearly has ceded the high end and will have nothing to compete beyond a 4080 16GB - and maybe not even that.

For this reason the price comparisons vs the 4090 are also fallacies. A $999 AMD flagship card that probably lands below the $1199 4080 16GB in performance. They are in the same ballpark in price, given that Nvidia has always commanded a 10-20% premium.

Not that it matters to 99% of folks, who are not getting a 4090 anyway. Most of the people arguing here have older mid or upper midrange GPUs (now low end) and probably aren't in the market for a new one anyway, so just arguing about something they aren't buying from either corporation.

The irony your spouting while casually making ridiculous statements and calling others out for bias while being biased, no one Knows what wins out of those two GPU and no 4080 data is out so hyperbolic bias at that.


Then to read your following posts, pure comedy.

I'll await reviews and the 4080, then debate which won.

 

[W1zzard]

@W1zzard What's really the HDMI version of the 7900 XT & 7900 XTX?
The latest 2022 2.1a 48Gbps or 2020 2.1 40Gbps like those of 6900 & 6950 XT's?

Their webpage says 2.1

https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/amd-radeon-rx-7900xtx

My own writeup says 2.1a .. probably for some reason .. will check with AMD

 

[Nopa]

Their webpage says 2.1

https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/amd-radeon-rx-7900xtx

My own writeup says 2.1a .. probably for some reason .. will check with AMD

Danke, Gandalf!

 

[fb020997]

6800 XT doesn't cut it for me.... i prefer a wider performance gap over my existing card for a couple of graphically intense games which im invested in (1440/144). The 7800** sounds like a plan for a devised ~$800 budget but unfortunately it wasn't announced for release which sucks. Anyway, it looks like the GPU upgrade plan of action has shifted from 2022 to 2023. Actually i'm kinda proud of myself too... finally drew a line by setting a budget with realistically meaningful performance targets in mind.

I’m in the same boat as you. My Vega 64 is showing her age, so I’m wanting a big upgrade. I’m also targeting your same resolution (1440p144), as a new 27” display is in the upgrade list. My only hope is that the 78xx GPUs won’t be much more than 650-700€, as I also need a waterblock (after 5 years of a full custom loop, I’m never going back to air).
BTW, my Vega allowed me to play lots of great games, very proud of that purchase.

 

[ModEl4]

Their webpage says 2.1

https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/amd-radeon-rx-7900xtx

My own writeup says 2.1a .. probably for some reason .. will check with AMD

Is this the reason?

Just kidding!
The below is serious:

• New AMD Radiance Display™ Engine – Provides 12 bit-per-channel color for up to 68 billion colors and higher refresh rate displays compared to AMD RDNA 2 architecture and includes support for DisplayPort 2.1 and HDMI 2.1a.

 

[Nopa]

Is this the reason?

Just kidding!
The below is serious:

• New AMD Radiance Display™ Engine – Provides 12 bit-per-channel color for up to 68 billion colors and higher refresh rate displays compared to AMD RDNA 2 architecture and includes support for DisplayPort 2.1 and HDMI 2.1a.

Radeon IQ is gonna be insane especially when gaming on a 4K QD-OLED.

 

[mechtech]

DisplayPort 2.1​

That's interesting. One would have guessed at ver 2.0.

 

[Ravenas]

I'm impressed by this card upfront. The size and connectors. AMD is asking me for 25 more Watts, rather than 125, or 275 depending on which BIOS you're using on the 4090. The 4090 size seems rather large in comparison.

Price performance and power consumption are two main focuses. 10 FPS lower average fps and saving $600 would be a win to me.

On the flip side, I'm really disappointed with these releases from Nvidia and AMD regarding no PCI 5.0 support. That could have been something that AMD rubbed in Nvidia's face on this launch. Not many reviewers list this as a negative unfortunately.

I think I'm more disappointed in Nvidia regarding this because the 4090 is supposed to be an ultra-high-end GPU priced at $1600, yet lacks PCI 5.0 and DP 2.0+, where the AMD 7900 XTX is a 4080 competitor.

What incentives me to jump from x570 to x670/z790 when the benefits of DDR5 are arguably negligible in 4K gaming... Obviously not PCI 5.0 support. The only reason I'm even considering the launches is because it edges me closer to 4K 120 hz/240hz gaming support consistent 120fps/240 fps in the games I play most frequently.

RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Core i9-13900K vs Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review | TechPowerUp

 

[Nopa]

PCIe 5.0 x16 may helps gain 1-5 FPS over PCIe 4.0 x16.
DP 2.0 is really a must given that we're in Q4 2022.

 

[Ravenas]

PCIe 5.0 x16 may helps gain 1-5 FPS over PCIe 4.0 x16.
DP 2.0 is really a must given that we're in Q4 2022.

That's kind of just over simplifying the 5.0 potential. Hell, take away resizable bar too while we're at it, we're only getting 5 extra FPS and who cares if we have platform that supports it and we paid money for it. The proposition of me giving a retailer $1600 out of my account generation over generation without seeing all platform support is almost equivalent to slapping me in face. It makes me wonder how long these cards have been inventoried waiting to clear 3090 ti inventories.

Likely since early 2022, prior to Z590 launch, hence no PCI 5.0 support. What excuse does AMD have? Probably the same.

TSMC's 4nm process coming ahead of schedule - GSMArena.com news

 

[RandallFlagg]

The irony your spouting while casually making ridiculous statements and calling others out for bias while being biased, no one Knows what wins out of those two GPU and no 4080 data is out so hyperbolic bias at that.


Then to read your following posts, pure comedy.

I'll await reviews and the 4080, then debate which won.

My bias? I guess hating AMD is why I have an AMD GPU?

You guys can't even get through a couple of simple sentences without projecting your bad assumptions, and that is a direct result of your own bias'.

I'm saying here is AMD has ceded the high end. That's obvious, they even said it themselves indirectly by saying their highest end card is a competitor to a 4080.

If the 7900 XTX competes with a 4080, what does the 7800 XT compete with? A 4070? And the 7700 XT? A 4060? That's all very likely.

 

[Ravenas]

My bias? I guess hating AMD is why I have an AMD GPU?

You guys can't even get through a couple of simple sentences without projecting your bad assumptions, and that is a direct result of your own bias'.

I'm saying here is AMD has ceded the high end. That's obvious, they even said it themselves indirectly by saying their highest end card is a competitor to a 4080.

If the 7900 XTX competes with a 4080, what does the 7800 XT compete with? A 4070? And the 7700 XT? A 4060? That's all very likely.

I don't think they've really ceded it in the future, but certainly on this launch generation has given inflation, lack of consumer confidence due to interest rates, and last but not least just starting off with their chiplet design. I mean we're really looking at the birth of what could be a tidal wave of success similar to Ryzen.

I think they expect gamers to react in a way that is saving $600 dollars with performance likely better than 4080 and probably ~5-10% less than 4090.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

My bias? I guess hating AMD is why I have an AMD GPU?

You guys can't even get through a couple of simple sentences without projecting your bad assumptions, and that is a direct result of your own bias'.

I'm saying here is AMD has ceded the high end. That's obvious, they even said it themselves indirectly by saying their highest end card is a competitor to a 4080.

If the 7900 XTX competes with a 4080, what does the 7800 XT compete with? A 4070? And the 7700 XT? A 4060? That's all very likely.

You guys?!, do you get off that high horse ever, I read all your post's, Hence the reply.
As for your topic change, funny, this threads about the 7900Xtx Xt and you said.

"nothing to compete beyond a 4080 16GB - and maybe not even that."

So hyperbolic - check
Pro Nvidia - check
Reviews out - no



Pre reviews etc

I'll stand by what I say and I seen your posts around this place enough to see a trend, pshhhh you guys

 

[RandallFlagg]

You guys?!, do you get off that high horse ever, I read all your post's, Hence the reply.
As for your topic change, funny, this threads about the 7900Xtx Xt and you said.

"nothing to compete beyond a 4080 16GB - and maybe not even that."

So hyperbolic - check
Pro Nvidia - check
Reviews out - no



Pre reviews etc

I'll stand by what I say and I seen your posts around this place enough to see a trend, pshhhh you guys

You along with about 3 other people in this thread are pretty clearly part of a pack of the AMD fanboy bully mob. Anyone who points out any negative information about AMD get pounced on.

Best way to get rid of your type, is to ignore you. Looks like I have a button for that, guess I'll use it.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

You along with about 3 other people in this thread are pretty clearly part of a pack of the AMD fanboy bully mob. Anyone who points out any negative information about AMD get pounced on.

Best way to get rid of your type, is to ignore you. Looks like I have a button for that, guess I'll use it.

Do as you wish, won't stop me disagreeing with you.

But you are on crack , wrong, hyperbolic and full of shit.

I'm no fanboy, I'm better at giving it out though, and taking it apparently then you and I have thicker skin, you aren't on ignore.

I await reviews and I'll pull your hype out after then

 

[Easo]

No.

Current pricing in Germany:

Radeon RX 6400 - 169.00
Radeon RX 6500 XT - 199.00
Radeon RX 6600 - 261.99
Radeon RX 6600 XT - 339.00
Radeon RX 6650 XT - 339.00
Radeon RX 6700 XT - 439.00
Radeon RX 6750 XT - 499.90
Radeon RX 6800 - 559.00
Radeon RX 6800 XT - 635.90
Radeon RX 6900 XT - 748.00
Radeon RX 6950 XT - 899.00

The majority of people will buy up to the RX 6650 XT that goes for 339 as of now but its price should go downward spiralling because it's crappy for 1080p only.

How nice for Germany. I, however, do not live in Germany. Pretty much none of the "super price cuts" ever arrived there in Latvia (and not only Latvia if you read comments here time from time).
Plus - we are talking about the new gen. How much do you think they are going to cost...?

 

[gffermari]

If the 7900 XTX competes with a 4080, what does the 7800 XT compete with? A 4070? And the 7700 XT? A 4060? That's all very likely.

I think AMD's lineup is made to fill the gaps between nVidia's GPUs rather than compete to a specific series.
They would do that if they were competitive. Like they do with their CPUs.

But now they introduced the XTX variant, so they differ to the previous lineup, 6000.

The only thing that may save the 7000 GPUs is the software raytracing and if they manage to collaborate with Epic (Unreal Engine 5).
If they leave nVidia to put their finger in every AAA title (...to push the developers to use the hardware rt cores), like Cyberpunk, Control, Metro Exodus, Alan Wake 2 etc., they are doomed.

 

[W1zzard]

Is this the reason?

Just kidding!
The below is serious:

• New AMD Radiance Display™ Engine – Provides 12 bit-per-channel color for up to 68 billion colors and higher refresh rate displays compared to AMD RDNA 2 architecture and includes support for DisplayPort 2.1 and HDMI 2.1a.

It's not. I saw this slide only after making the writeup. This slide is still under NDA btw, so I can't publish any info from it.

 

[medi01]

The curious bit all this noise is that Samsung 8nm was not as bad as claimed after all.

You guys can't even get through a couple of simple sentences without projecting your bad assumption

That's rich coming from someone who doubted 7900XTX could compete with the other 4080 it haven't "unlaunched" yet.

If the 7900 XTX competes with a 4080, what does the 7800 XT compete with?

I doubt even NV could answer that question.

You assume that GPU manufacturers are well aware in advance of what is going on in the other camp.
If that would be the case, the 4080 unlaunch would not happen.
Nor "drop a tier" on the last gen cards (3080 was supposed to wield 20GB and be called at least 3080Ti, cost more).

AMD just happens to have that product as fallout from 7900XTX and that is pretty much it.


The "AMD tried to roll out halo, but failed" is so strange, given AMD's choices.
GDDR6, not x.
522mm2 of N5+N6 total.
Oh, also N5 not N4 (mkay, N4 is essentially enhanced N5, but it's still better eh?)

How come someone could cook that up and prepare to trump 610mm2 N4 chip, with GDDR6x and special power connector/crazy TDP?

 

[Vayra86]

My bias? I guess hating AMD is why I have an AMD GPU?

You guys can't even get through a couple of simple sentences without projecting your bad assumptions, and that is a direct result of your own bias'.

I'm saying here is AMD has ceded the high end. That's obvious, they even said it themselves indirectly by saying their highest end card is a competitor to a 4080.

If the 7900 XTX competes with a 4080, what does the 7800 XT compete with? A 4070? And the 7700 XT? A 4060? That's all very likely.

But that statement is categorically wrong because the high end is comprised of more than an x90 card that apart from the last gen never even existed in high end segments, the last x90 we had was a dual GPU GTX 690. Another such card nobody in their right mind actually bought. And better yet, not even Nvidia truly targeted recent x90's at gamers. In Ampere, they targeted 'the creator'. Its a segment above high end, in price, in VRAM, in everything, and it falls between their pro line up and Geforce realistically; it has been doing so since GK110 (Titan).

The halo product is getting waaay too much credit here for determining where the market is. That actual market is definitely NOT at a 1600 dollar card that carves out its own extra special epeen segment at a power target that melts connectors.

Who cares about x90. If AMD plays ball with 4080 16GB competition they are alive kicking and actively competing on the high end. And Nvidia's x80 offerings are 50% cancelled (because they'd look utterly ridiculous not rebadging the 12GB x80 and they knew it) and the other 50% is so far below x90 that it makes you wonder what happened there - alongside specs relative to Ampere that are nothing to write home about. It literally only has a perf/w advantage going for it, alongside suddenly decent amounts of VRAM, yet another complete misfire in Ampere as Nvidia had to re-release the entire stack with other capacities to satisfy demand.

Oh yeah, they win some epeen points on RT for having a rough 20-30% extra perf. Again... relevance to a large target market (yes, target... despite what you've said about what people are/aren't in the market for - that is your bias right there) is slim at best.

It really does depend what you focus on in a GPU. I just want another x70~x80 range piece of silicon that runs all my shit for the next 5-7 years, much like the x80 I have now has been doing. RT? If its there, yay, if its not, yay, honestly, a GPU is a package deal of featureset, price, perf, and overall quality. Nvidia's quality in GPU has been taking a nosedive lately and I'm supposed to hang a spiderweb of untrustworthy cabling off it to make it functional.

Bias. We all have it, it'd be good to consider that - and when I see people who take the x90 as the be all end all metric of perf in a new gen, I see people who have completely lost the plot, nothing else. Slaves to commerce, blinded by marketing. See, that marketing too, is interpreted with bias from all ends.

AMD did cede the high end when they made Polaris and trailed Nvidia by 1,5 ~ 2 generations. Now they trail them exclusively on RT performance they're not even making buck off themselves; after all, AMD controls where gaming TRULY goes by controlling console performance. You might wanna re-evaluate your view on market direction here and look at actual gaming share. The PCMR might think it has market power in the gaming front, but honestly? That power is exercised NOT in RT push... but in the games that run on toasters: indie. Yet another thing of perspective. Are you a real gamer or a hardware/spec whore? The supposed high end where 'AMD isn't competing' according to you is currently that 2-3% of the market you can easily miss. And even they are tied to console ports from their non-competitor regardless. Who's kidding who...? One thing is certain... the 4090 owner is on the very bottom of that food chain, money and fool parted, on to the next one; 750W next time? Why not?

I hope the above clarifies why there are such diametrically opposed takes of what AMD presented here. And there isn't a right or wrong. The market decides; but what I do see here is an AMD that is fully competitive again on GPU, on arguably the whole stack, top to bottom.

 

[ARF]

How nice for Germany. I, however, do not live in Germany. Pretty much none of the "super price cuts" ever arrived there in Latvia (and not only Latvia if you read comments here time from time).
Plus - we are talking about the new gen. How much do you think they are going to cost...?

I also don't live in Germany but Germany is the only option for a purchase. I will find a regular traveller who will bring the GFX to me

The prices are:

RX 7900 XTX 24 GB - 1200 after 19% VAT
RX 7900 XT 20 GB - <1100 after 19% VAT

 

[ModEl4]

It's not. I saw this slide only after making the writeup. This slide is still under NDA btw, so I can't publish any info from it.

I know, I was just kidding.
The link I quoted in my response below the slide, was from AMD's official site (was live when the event ended) so there is no NDA regarding this info.

 

[W1zzard]

I know, I was just kidding.
The link I quoted in my response below the slide, was from AMD's official site (was live when the event ended) so there is no NDA regarding this info.

Ah I missed the 2nd link, yeah that's where I saw it, the press release