AMD Readies 16-core, 12-core, and 8-core Ryzen 7000X3D "Zen 4" Processors

[Why_Me]

Personally I never expected a 7600X3D for the same reason we never saw a 5600X3D. You cant sell that much higher than a 5600X or 5800X.

5800X3D is still selling quiet high in some places about the same price has the 7700X here in local markets.

From a business point of view I would not make a 5600X3D or 7600X3D. You would be hurting your higher priced SKUs.

Lets see if there are any improvements VS the first ZEN 3 X3D maybe better clocks and overclocking on these new ZEN 4 X3Ds.

Yet a 7950X3D makes good business sense?

 

[The King]

Yet a 7950X3D makes good business sense?

Yes if you have the dough then why not?
It won't hurt your other SKUs and probably sell well considering the price RTX 4090/ 4080s are selling for.

E-peen FTW!

 

[Why_Me]

Yes if you have the dough then why not?
It won't hurt your other SKUs and probably sell well considering the price RTX 4090/ 4080s are selling for.

The 7950X is not what I'd call a gaming cpu. The 5800X3D excelled at gaming yet sucks at productivity due to stacking cache. So what AMD is doing if the OP isn't fake news is AMD is taking their expensive flagship cpu that isn't their best gaming cpu in the Zen4 lineup and making it even more expensive. What am I missing here.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

yet sucks at productivity due to stacking cache

That was blown way out of proportion IMO. It was no worse than a 5700X - and only slightly worse than a 5800X. Having another 16 threads will make it worth waaay more than a 7800X3D if you ever do multi-core work such as video editing.

I wonder if they are playing with the scheduler to make one CCD the "P" cores to the OS.

 

[maxfly]

The 7950X is not what I'd call a gaming cpu. The 5800X3D excelled at gaming yet sucks at productivity due to stacking cache. So what AMD is doing if the OP isn't fake news is AMD is taking their expensive flagship cpu that isn't their best gaming cpu in the Zen4 lineup and making it even more expensive. What am I missing here.

They're directly competing with Intel sku for sku. 7850x3d vs 13900k etc, it immediately puts them back on the gaming map. They have to make a splash sooner rather than later.

 

[Mussels]

Personally I never expected a 7600X3D for the same reason we never saw a 5600X3D. You cant sell that much higher than a 5600X or 5800X.

5800X3D is still selling quiet high in some places about the same price has the 7700X here in local markets.

From a business point of view I would not make a 5600X3D or 7600X3D. You would be hurting your higher priced SKUs.

Lets see if there are any improvements VS the first ZEN 3 X3D maybe better clocks and overclocking on these new ZEN 4 X3Ds vs the 5800X3D lower clocks.

They make sense if theres any failed dies at the fab, so they can at least use them vs binning them
With a low failure rate, they'd never finanically bother

Because these 3D chiplets need lower voltages, they cant run at the same clockspeeds and wattages as the regular chips - they'd get slaughtered by the basic websites that only care about the clock speed and the cinebench scores

going beyond a single CCX is a big risk because it hurts what these chips are best at - low latency cached data

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

They make sense if theres any failed dies at the fab, so they can at least use them vs binning them

They would become the vanilla 7600X.

The trouble is, it would seem drastically expensive for a mere 6-core Ryzen 5. Probably over the price of the 7700X at minimum.

 

[Why_Me]

They're directly competing with Intel sku for sku. 7850x3d vs 13900k etc, it immediately puts them back on the gaming map. They have to make a splash sooner rather than later.

A 7900X3D / 7700X3D makes sense. A 7950X3D not so much imo.

 

[Mussels]

They would become the vanilla 7600X.

The trouble is, it would seem drastically expensive for a mere 6-core Ryzen 5. Probably over the price of the 7700X at minimum.

marketing would cover that well enough, the 5800x3D proved we dont need cores or wattage to win at gaming benchmarks

Look at the image posted just there ^

 

[Gica]

Perfect for unlocking the true potential of the 6500XT.

 

[ixi]

Brace yourselves

e-peen incoming

It is for a long time already here , since reviews came out for intel and amd.

 

[Gica]

marketing would cover that well enough, the 5800x3D proved we dont need cores or wattage to win at gaming benchmarks

Look at the image posted just there ^

Correct and false at the same time. RTX 4090 is definitely not for 1080p.
Some really useful reviews are those that show the impact of X3D by category:
1. Entry-middle video card for 1080p (6500-6600XT/3050-3060)
2. Mainstream-high video card for 1440p (6700-6800XT/3070-3080)
Above, at the enthusiast, we have, but most of them use video cards from the categories listed above.
As I said before, I prefer to direct the X-X3D price difference towards the video card. I say you get better at fps.
AMD is in desperate need of a gaming king processor. Paradoxically, if it succeeds, the buyer will lose because the prices will be high.

 

[Why_Me]

Correct and false at the same time. RTX 4090 is definitely not for 1080p.
Some really useful reviews are those that show the impact of X3D by category:
1. Entry-middle video card for 1080p (6500-6600XT/3050-3060)
2. Mainstream-high video card for 1440p (6700-6800XT/3070-3080)
Above, at the enthusiast, we have, but most of them use video cards from the categories listed above.
As I said before, I prefer to direct the X-X3D price difference towards the video card. I say you get better at fps.
AMD is in desperate need of a gaming king processor. Paradoxically, if it succeeds, the buyer will lose because the prices will be high.

You nailed it ^^

 

[WhoDecidedThat]

7950X3D makes sense (to me) because if I'm the sort of person willing to drop 2 grand on a 4090, I wouldn't mind buying a 7950X3D as well.

I get 16 P cores clocked over 5000 MHz, 192 MB cache with DDR5 RAM. It's the creme de la creme.

Throw in the LG 45 inch 240 Hz OLED Monitor that was recently released and you have the best personal computing setup on the planet.

 

[fancucker]

Seems promising but what about the clock speeds and L3 latency? V-cache seems like a flawed solution to a performance deficit.

 

[phanbuey]

The only issue i see with this... is they really better only release zen5 with v cache or no one is going to buy it with the 7950x3d around.

 

[Dirt Chip]

Wonderful to see full lineup of 3d chips, not just one. This plus non x zen4 can start over the slow lunch of zen4.
I just hope that in time there will be use to those high capacity catch CPU besides only some of the games, that is common applications as well.

 

[Lionheart]

The 5800X3D is great at gaming yet sucks at everything else.

It doesn't suck at everything else, it's just normal/mediocre

 

[Hofnaerrchen]

They'll probably keep the current prices for Zen4 and use launch MSRP for the 3D parts.

That would make sense. In my opinion AMD simply can't afford to make the AM5 platform even more more expensive if they want to sell not only a relatively small portion of the chips made and lose furthermore market share. It's unreasonable trying to sell a product at comparable/higher price when performance does not match, at least in a market where you have alternatives available. The "good" old times are over.

 

[Gooigi's Ex]

The 7950X is not what I'd call a gaming cpu. The 5800X3D excelled at gaming yet sucks at productivity due to stacking cache. So what AMD is doing if the OP isn't fake news is AMD is taking their expensive flagship cpu that isn't their best gaming cpu in the Zen4 lineup and making it even more expensive. What am I missing here.

To me, a mid-high-end processor that has better gaming performance than the top-end CPU is ass-backward to me(but great for saving money!). If Intel can have a Productivity/Gaming CPU(i9 13900KS), why is it "weird" for AMD to release 7950x3D? It sounds like you're stuck on PCs that should be either for gaming or productivity. Intel has proven that you can have both.

Correct and false at the same time. RTX 4090 is definitely not for 1080p.
Some really useful reviews are those that show the impact of X3D by category:
1. Entry-middle video card for 1080p (6500-6600XT/3050-3060)
2. Mainstream-high video card for 1440p (6700-6800XT/3070-3080)
Above, at the enthusiast, we have, but most of them use video cards from the categories listed above.
As I said before, I prefer to direct the X-X3D price difference towards the video card. I say you get better at fps.
AMD is in desperate need of a gaming king processor. Paradoxically, if it succeeds, the buyer will lose because the prices will be high.

AMD needs a gaming king for mindshare. Obviously. Also, If you're making a 60% gaming/40% productivity PC build(like me and a lot of people) then the X3D CPU's are a good option along with the intel 13 gen. Not everyone is making PCs for ONE purpose.

A 7900X3D / 7700X3D makes sense. A 7950X3D not so much imo.

Why does a 12-core processor with 2 six-core CCDs is ok but a 16-core processor with 2 full eight-core CCDs not? Might as well make the 7600x3D(but that will be very expensive). At least with the 7950x3D, it can be priced like the 5950x used to be, like the 5800x3D was the same price as the 5800X when it first came out.

 

[529th]

Don't know if I believe there will be a dual CCD X3D setup but who knows.

 

[Pumper]

I don't know what some of you are smoking, but 7950X3D makes way more sense than a 7600X3D. 7600X is already overpriced, a 3D variant would be even more insane, while the people who need high core count for work, would gladly add a fraction of the 7950X's price to get a nice boost in games.

 

[AsRock]

They would become the vanilla 7600X.

The trouble is, it would seem drastically expensive for a mere 6-core Ryzen 5. Probably over the price of the 7700X at minimum.

Unless they end up making the price cuts as they are then they could make a $300 7600X3D, problem with that users who did go out and buy the CPU only a few months ago might get but hurt witht he price dropping so soon.

I picked my 7700X for $330 so they could make the $400 7700X3D and so on.

 

[Shtb]

The 5800X3D is great at gaming yet sucks at everything else.

Don't limit your breadth of knowledge to just Wintel11 or any Windows OS (scroll to almost bottom of the page to see a summary of the results).

The Ryzen 7 5800X3D enjoyed some massive wins for the workloads able to make use of the AMD 3D V-Cache on this consumer desktop CPU.

For tons of real-world workloads there were massive to moderate gains in performance thanks to the 96MB of L3 cache. For where the 5800X delivered better performance were the select cases where the tests couldn't effectively make use of the large cache and so the slightly higher clock speeds paid off. In most of those tests not loving the 3D V-Cache, the 5800X wins tended to be by just a couple percent.

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X vs. Ryzen 7 5800X3D On Linux 6.0 Benchmarks - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

 

[Why_Me]

Don't limit your breadth of knowledge to just Wintel11 or any Windows OS (scroll to almost bottom of the page to see a summary of the results).

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X vs. Ryzen 7 5800X3D On Linux 6.0 Benchmarks - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

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