PSA: Intel I226-V 2.5GbE on Raptor Lake Motherboards Has a Connection Drop Issue: No Fix Available

[A Computer Guy]

Yes, free market capitalism for the working class, socialism and big subsidies for the owning class....


Wouldn't that just introduce more overhead and additional points of failure?

This just makes me think of how 10GBASE-T NICs should be standard on consumer mobo's at this point...the Intel X540/X550 have been around forever (I have them installed for my home 10GBASE-T network) and should be more affordable by now than they are (my netgear XS728T seems like its had the same price for half a decade now, haha, but smaller 10gig switches, usually with only one or two 10gig ports, are becoming more affordable)...and while some may say "home users don't need that much bandwidth", my reply is that once that bandwidth is made available, new uses and applications are always found for it....with Full HD and 4K security systems, plex servers, IoT, etc ALL becoming more common, I feel like 2.5G networking will have a much shorter lifespan than 1gig

USB is just another bus and I don't think the overhead would make a difference based on my prior experiences using USB3 1Gb/s adaptors. I'm not sure what bus the onboard NIC's are typically connected to right now (maybe PCIe direct to the CPU)? But at least if it's 10-20Gb/s usb-c you would have some options to replace the NIC. I'd like to see USB-C used for internal hard drives as well. 1 cable to rule them all.

 

[Makaveli]

AMD does not run intel nics

That is not always true.

My Asus Prime x570 Pro has onboard Intel nic on it.

TUF GAMING X570-PRO (WI-FI) also onboard intel nic.

 

[A Computer Guy]

So these nics run fine on amd boards but misbehave on intel chipsets ?

I can confirm ASRock B550 Phantom Gaming-ITX has the rev2 chip. I had to set the speed to 1Gbp/s for issues I was having and it was fine after that.

AMD does not run intel nics

AMD boards do have Intel NIC's.

 

[dir_d]

That is not always true.

My Asus Prime x570 Pro has onboard Intel nic on it.

ok, let's qualify that with MOST do not run Intel nics.

 

[Alan Smithee]

ok, let's qualify that with MOST do not run Intel nics.

25 out of 70 AMD 600 series motherboards (36%) use i225-V, so if you want to use "most" as a simple majority, sure, but that's a pretty significant fraction.

 

[A Computer Guy]

ok, let's qualify that with MOST do not run Intel nics.

Funny but not funny, I didn't realize Intel was have a NIC quality problems and when I was shopping for new boards I was avoiding the Realtek ones because I was under the impressions Intel NIC's were still the really known good NIC's.

 

[Alan Smithee]

I have a hard time believing this issue affects all i226-V NICs. ServeTheHome has tested multiple firewall PCs with i226-V and I'm sure they would have noticed dropouts.

Intel Celeron J6413 Powered 6x i226 2.5GbE Fanless Firewall Review (servethehome.com)
New Fanless 4x 2.5GbE Intel N5105 i226-V Firewall Tested (servethehome.com)

 

[Panther_Seraphin]

This just makes me think of how 10GBASE-T NICs should be standard on consumer mobo's at this point...the Intel X540/X550 have been around forever (I have them installed for my home 10GBASE-T network) and should be more affordable by now than they are (my netgear XS728T seems like its had the same price for half a decade now, haha, but smaller 10gig switches, usually with only one or two 10gig ports, are becoming more affordable)...and while some may say "home users don't need that much bandwidth", my reply is that once that bandwidth is made available, new uses and applications are always found for it....with Full HD and 4K security systems, plex servers, IoT, etc ALL becoming more common, I feel like 2.5G networking will have a much shorter lifespan than 1gig

Problem is the power/Heat output of the X540/550s arent "suitable" on a modern motherboard. They have 10x the power draw and also the requirement of a fairly hefty passive heatsink to be viable. Even the 226-V doesnt look compelling as some of the power draws of competitors is nearly 50% lower at 700mW vs 1.3W of the 226 family.

But I think Intel and their money grabbing has been biting them hand over fist for the last 3+ years and now they are scrambling to try and release things that compete/keep up with competitors and now we are seeing Intel not as the indisputable chip giant they thought themselves during the early Core years.

 

[zlobby]

did you even read the article cupcake?

Yes, and your MPG drops to 0 if you walk...

 

[mplayerMuPDF]

Bloody hell. People thought they would get better networking by paying more for the intel 225/226 over the Realtek 2.5GbE and then get screwed over by the incompetent engineers at Intel. Totally unacceptable.

I mean, if you are relying on knowledge that is outdated by 10-15 years what do you expect? There never was anything wrong with remotely modern Realtek ethernet chipsets except for perhaps a pretty much insignificant difference in speed. It's just FUD at this point that (partially) kept alive by the fact that FreeBSD (and derived OSes such as pfSense) have a lower quality driver for Realtek ethernet than Intel ethernet, which has nothing to do with the hardware itself. Now, Realtek WiFi is a different matter entirely, certainly on Linux.

 

[taiiat]

did you even read the article cupcake?

you apparently didn't, that line was talking about a remediation that helped the i225 (helped sometimes, of the 4 revisions of the i225, some were a lot more broken than others, and the last revision fixed). however you seem to have missed that the subject here is primarily the i226, which reportedly that remediation did not help.

 

[HugsNotDrugs]

Yes, free market capitalism for the working class, socialism and big subsidies for the owning class....


Wouldn't that just introduce more overhead and additional points of failure?

This just makes me think of how 10GBASE-T NICs should be standard on consumer mobo's at this point...the Intel X540/X550 have been around forever (I have them installed for my home 10GBASE-T network) and should be more affordable by now than they are (my netgear XS728T seems like its had the same price for half a decade now, haha, but smaller 10gig switches, usually with only one or two 10gig ports, are becoming more affordable)...and while some may say "home users don't need that much bandwidth", my reply is that once that bandwidth is made available, new uses and applications are always found for it....with Full HD and 4K security systems, plex servers, IoT, etc ALL becoming more common, I feel like 2.5G networking will have a much shorter lifespan than 1gig

Power consumption is a big deal and 10G ethernet is a thirsty link rate.

I intend to upgrade to 2.5gbe and not look higher until there is a significant need.

 

[mplayerMuPDF]

Yes, and your MPG drops to 0 if you walk...

Actually it goes to infinity

 

[ThrashZone]

yep, this is one of the reasons raptor lake drove me fucking insane. my onboard LAN wouldn't work with that shitty gigabyte mobo.

but I now have an all AMD and realtek rig again, no wifi, no bluetooth, and no fucking anything called Intel in my rig.

Hi,
Got anything named gigabyte in there

Yeah all my builds are Intel and not one has nic issues
Might be ddr4 and or 5 high memory frequencies causing the new nic to drop off.

 

[dj-electric]

i226 has issues?
i225 has plenty of them already. Not good. I have an i225 that has just... disappeared. Poof, its nowhere to be seen in software.

 

[R-T-B]

if i remember correctly , intel BOUGHT KILLER NETWORKING.. that special .. "horrific Gaming grade network port" which was plagued with driver issues and disconnections/packet loss in the 2012-2016 era

looks like Killer networking is back from the dead to haunt Intel this time around. lol

That was qualcomm not intel.

 

[Space Lynx]

i226 has issues?
i225 has plenty of them already. Not good. I have an i225 that has just... disappeared. Poof, its nowhere to be seen in software.

glad to know its not just me that was having problems, heh

 

[R-T-B]

i226 has issues?
i225 has plenty of them already. Not good. I have an i225 that has just... disappeared. Poof, its nowhere to be seen in software.

what's weird is they just fixed i225 with the latest spinning (sadly almost no mobos got it onboard, but you can find it on addon cards)... finally. WTF happened now? Did they forget how they did it 5 minutes later?

 

[zlobby]

what's weird is they just fixed i225 with the latest spinning (sadly almost no mobos got it onboard, but you can find it on addon cards)... finally. WTF happened now? Did they forget how they did it 5 minutes later?

It shows how deep the issues at intel go.

 

[mechtech]

Probably since they are in the family afaik.

Maybe take a look here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ASUS/comments/kppyoi
Could be the same “duplex issue”.

s.o.b.

on a x570s aero G rev1.1 with newer amd wifi, but used an old lan chip.
pathetic. I guessed its be rev3. Guess I was wrong
file:///E:/5700X/Downloads/621661-Intel%C2%AE%20Ethernet%20Controller%20I225-Public%20External%20Specification%20Update-v1.2.pdf
wow 2 years old

take your POS back intel!! Way to gimp my mobo.
Guess I will have to go back to your 1000CT card from 20 years ago.

 

[Panther_Seraphin]

All 225s were pretty much a pile of garbage and they released the 226 to try and bury it. Now the fact the 226 is also exhibiting the same issues makes me think someone in the Project Management/beancounter dept got promoted to somewhere they shouldnt off and suddenly engineers are having to release stuff thats just broken.

 

[mechtech]

That was qualcomm not intel.

Then intel bought it off quallcomm.

Intel® Killer™ Performance Suite

This download record installs Wi-Fi, Ethernet drivers and Killer Software for the Intel® Killer™ products.

www.intel.com

 

[Minus Infinity]

I have a X570 MB with the I225-V model. 99% of the time it's rock solid, but I get this weird issue wjere a transfer starts out at full speed and then bang just goes to zero and won't ever recover. I have to reinitiate the transfer and it works with no problems. But I don't know if this is an issue with my NAS or the Intel. BTW this is only in 1Gb/s mode as my NAS doesn't have 2.5Gb/s port.

 

[GNORT.V6]

AMD does not run intel nics

I beg to differ. I have have an ASUS ROG Crosshair X670E Gene motherboard. The documentation states the NIC supports 2.5Gb speeds and is from Intel. When when I saw the news about this I looked in the manual but all it says is Intel(R) no model number is listed. Also couldn't find it on the Asus site, just says Intel. So I contacted Asus support, via chat, and asked if they could tell me what it was. Their response was they couldn't find it either and would have to check with engineering and get back to me. It could be that it isn't really an Intel NIC and that the documentation just had Intel as a placeholder in the doc, but right now this Asus/AM5 MB claims to have Intel networking.

The system isn't built yet. All I've done is install the CPU, I'm going to hold off before putting it in the case and setting up the cooler since it might have to go back.

 

[MrAgapiGC]

got it also on z690 and 12th.
Comes after a kernel issue in windows. always the same. some kernel critical and then puff the same as picture on the news.

i have check others and comes also on others platforms as well I sit and dig the events and is present