NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Will Have a Founders Edition

[Fluffmeister]

Whoever you bunch of raging fanboys prefer, buy soon before China finally make Taiwan a province and the global market reacts by hitting the proverbial fan.

 

[Rx8driver]

I dunno what AMD's thinking but I'm wondering if there's simply not enough margin from selling fewer relatively large GPU dies for affordable prices (relative to Nvidia) when that same limited fab space can be spent on many more small CPU dies that can be sold in a myriad of configurations from affordable R5 7600s to hi-margin Epyc 9654s.

who does AMD have making their GPU's? TSMC I assume???

 

[Lew Zealand]

who does AMD have making their GPU's? TSMC I assume???

AMD 7000 GPUs and CPUs are both built from multi-chiplets using TSMC 5nm and 6nm processes. The GPU Compute dies and CPU CCDs are 5nm while the GPU Memory Cache dies and CPU I/O dies are 6nm.

So they directly compete with each other for current-gen TSMC resources and the GPU Compute dies are 4x the size of the CPU CCDs. So potentially less profit per unit with the GPUs unless you price them much higher. Maximizing margin seems like it would be easier selling CPUs.

 

[vvkvvkvvk]

NVIDIA widened sales on EU markets that didn't have 3000-series FEs available some moons ago, namely the Nordics.

This is good, show them AIBs that people want compact and non-gamer-y cards too. I opted to buy A-series just for this reason. The last vendor to do compact business looking card was EVGA and they had weak EU presence anyway.

 

[Chrispy_]

While I agree that it should've been a 4060, I fail to see the better deal. 6800XT on newegg is $540+, if there are MSRP 4070 cards on launch day, this is going to be a 6800XT that can also do a bit more raytracing and has a better upscaler in DLSS, so that's where the extra $60 are going. In 2 years both will be obsolete for 1440p@Ultra regardless of 12 vs 16 question. Now people who got 6800XT for MSRP before/during mining boom - those people got an insanely good deal, as they get to be in this "great for 1440p" territory for 4 years for $700 (less so for 3080-10 users, who are also running out of VRAM). Not so much now.
Again, that's just my opinion, if someone doesn't care about the features mentioned - sure, AMD offers an option and you can spend those $60 on something else. I still find it strange that they're not launching anything for so long.

At this point anyone buying a last-gen card brand-new is doing it wrong. The retail price of those are still high because their replacements haven't yet arrived to push them off store shelves into the discount section.

I picked up a refurb 6800XT last month for £445 with a 2-year warranty (effectively $450). If you go to the used market you can get them for less. A 12GB 4070 at $650 (partner model) is 40% more expensive and 12GB VRAM is marginal in several of today's games, I'm not sure I can justify more than $500 for a card that's already going to struggle with texture resolution in 2023.

 

[Rx8driver]

AMD 7000 GPUs and CPUs are both built from multi-chiplets using TSMC 5nm and 6nm processes. The GPU Compute dies and CPU CCDs are 5nm while the GPU Memory Cache dies and CPU I/O dies are 6nm.

So they directly compete with each other for current-gen TSMC resources and the GPU Compute dies are 4x the size of the CPU CCDs. So potentially less profit per unit with the GPUs unless you price them much higher. Maximizing margin seems like it would be easier selling CPUs.

Yeah it sounds that way, and I'm sure from the die perspective it probably IS easier to maximize both efficiency and profit with the CPU's....that said, and albeit being at a disadvantage in the ray-tracing department, AMD is doing a pretty good job of beating Nvidia at pretty much every price point. Of course, I think they NEED to do that to move units, because there's got to be a fair portion of their target demographic that, were prices any higher, would've spent their money with Nvidia instead. I, personally, have an RTX card, but that's only because I fell into an excellent deal from a buddy and scooped his 2080SUPER when the 30-series released and he upgraded- had I bought a brand new card back then, Idk, there's a good chance I'd have opted for a 6000 series card instead....When I finally break down and upgrade this GPU I'll have to take a hard look at the benchmarks of whatever series were on by then lol