Official NVIDIA RTX 4070 Performance Claims Leak Online

[Tek-Check]

But it's made by a company that's loosing that small market share it still has to broken Intel cards. :-D

If you see majority of people crossing a bridge and jumping into water, are you going to follow them mindlessly and jump too? That's what your comment is about - conformity to market share rather than looking into what's actually on offer.

 

[P4-630]

Many people HERE doesn’t mean much.
AMD graphic card market share dropped below 6%, worldwide.
The fact of having a very vocal fan base doesn’t change things.

Buy some AMD stock.

 

[Tek-Check]

As WCCFTech wrote:
"If you are someone that believes at raster performance only (although in today's era, I would add that it is a highly obsolete metric), than the RTX 4070 performs 15% faster than an RTX 3070."

They forgot to mention that 12GB VRAM will also become the same trouble in two years, as 8GB VRAM is a problem now for 3070 and 3070Ti. Watch that HUB video and see it for yourself.

 

[Bwaze]

If you see majority of people crossing a bridge and jumping into water, are you going to follow them mindlessly and jump too? That's what your comment is about - conformity to market share rather than looking into what's actually on offer.

I have done that, several times in last 30 years since I got my first PC. And I usually regreted it, when I found out there is much worse support in Adobe, 3D design software... Hell, AMD cards even have problem with playing 8K "educational" videos in VR!

I know it's connected to that small market share that makes it possible for the software designers to ignore AMD, but it sucks to be the one that pays almost as much as for a fully functional graphics card...

 

[Tek-Check]

I have done that, several times in last 30 years since I got my first PC. And I usually regreted it, when I found out there is much worse support in Adobe, 3D design software... Hell, AMD cards even have problem with playing 8K "educational" videos in VR!

I know it's connected to that small market share that makes it possible for the software designers to ignore AMD, but it sucks to be the one that pays almost as much as for a fully functional graphics card...

"Fully functional graphics card" means different things to different people in different usage cases.
You can easily check on PugetSystems website detailed media content and other productivity testing of 7900XTX vs. 4090. Nvidia's card is better in majority of those applications, but not in all, so the case usage will depend on what people use GPU for. For example, for AV1 4K media content, both cards are equal.

"8K educational videos in VR"? Whoever needs this gimmick...

 

[john_]

We can trust it, as several reviewers test video quality on images, both in pure raster and with upscalers. I would not go into conspiracy of games silently changing texture settings. Even if they do, it can still be checked and uncovered. That would be embarrassing for GPU vendors to report to the public.

Several doesn't translate to all. Also individuals in forums will probably just throw numbers in their posts and nothing more. FSR and DLSS, especially the versions with Frame generation will make matters worst. What I mean is that we will be searching for accurate reviews in the future and probably we will be having problems finding.
That being said, I am not talking about conspiracy theories here, just an easy way to "optimize" a game and avoid some of the negative reactions we see when new games are released and they are still a mess, needing at least a few patches to work acceptably.

 

[Max(IT)]

£599 notes my arse, 1440p my arse.

I can see the EWaste potential from here.

16GB should be minimum on this class of card and for 1440p.

HUB showed what you can expect, two years viable use then viable to scrap, and it wasn't flawed, only someone who hasn't watched it and so, can't back it up with a actual reason would say so, or a fanboi as demonstrated, no watching just opinionated.

And 599 my arse fake MSRP that will be valid day's only then aibs will have to up their prices to Stop loosing money.

that video is showing what HUB wanted to show. And the video is about an 8 GB card, while this thread is about a 12 GB card. You calling someone elsa a fanboy is really funny...

And after this I will be surprised if Nvidia don't loose more AIB partners, Nvidia basically shat on them again.

For the time being, the only company losing something (market share) is AMD...

It all depends on which games people play. My 7900XTX can use up to 21GB of VRAM in some dense urban 3D renderings of buildings in Flight Simulator.

your card is ALLOCATING 21 GB of VRAM. Not using it.

7900XTX is already available for $960 in some markets, from Asrock. It's faster than 4080 and has 24GB of VRAM, not to be underestimated at all.

again. No one want a Radeon. Get over it.
AMD has a good opportunity with this generation, considering Nvidia greedy price policy, but they screwed it up as usual with a meh product as the 7000 serie is.

I remember when nvidia's FX series (5xxx) could not compete with ATi's 9000 series, and were caught cheating in benchmarks - particularly 3dmark 2001 if memory serves. Everyone was up in arms about it. Now they come up with DLSS and is trying to sell it as a "performance increase" - and fans rejoice... What a clown world we live in.

that was ATi... AMD could have bought them, but it is a totally different company now.
Radeon 9700 and 9800 generation really were the best products at the time. Even the drivers were better than counterpart's.

 

[P4-630]

@Max(IT) trade in your Intel/Nvidia system and go all AMD! Donate to AMD, buy their stock, do something!!

 

[john_]

@Max(IT) trade in your Intel/Nvidia system and go all AMD! Donate to AMD, buy their stock, do something!!

He is wasting his life 24/7 to push AMD to become better. He is already doing so much for competition and the whole world.

 

[Tek-Check]

again. No one want a Radeon. Get over it.
AMD has a good opportunity with this generation, considering Nvidia greedy price policy, but they screwed it up as usual with a meh product as the 7000 serie is.

I am not "no one", and thousands of others who buy those cards are not either. We have records from TechEpiphany and elsewhere showing that top cards do sell, or course not in multi-million numbers, but certainly in tens od thousands. So please, spare us from such sweeping generalisations. It is you who need to get over it and stop voicing your opinion as if you represent entire population.

 

[tvshacker]

I think what we can see in that video and really worry is that we wouldn't be able to trust benchmarks in the future. I mean, if the driver or the game can keep the framerate smooth by butchering the visual quality, by a little or by a lot, can we really trust reviews and framerates?

This was really the best and worst thing about the video, best because it revealed what was happening, worst because it's almost scary that these "shenanigans" are happening in 2023.
Let's hope it gets widespread attention and something good comes out of it.

" If you are someone that believes at raster performance only (although in today's era, I would add that it is a highly obsolete metric), than the RTX 4070 performs 15% faster than an RTX 3070."

so basically RX 6800 XT performance for RX 6800 XT price... (the 4070Ti costs about 900€ so the the 4070 will be around 700€)
No wonder AMD hasn't bothered announcing/launching any new cards below the 7900 series

 

[kiakk]

So...
RTX 3070 "MSRP"499 USD while 99% of the world can not buy it for that money. So just simply forget it. Here in EU It is around 600-610USD with VAT the cheapest. (OK, I know US MSRP without VAT, but the final price will be 600-610USD equivalent in EUR??? FK them.)
The new(!!!) RTX 4070 will be MSRP 599USD???
That is 20% more, while the 3D performance will be ONLY ~30% more without bullshit magic generator.
So, let say that the overall official performance/price ratio will increase by ~8,3%!!!
What a developing technology?! Hmmm.... Huge deal.
Ready? Set! Run to the shop guys, because will not be enough in stock if you will not hurry!

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

that video is showing what HUB wanted to show. And the video is about an 8 GB card, while this thread is about a 12 GB card. You calling someone elsa a fanboy is really funny...


For the time being, the only company losing something (market share) is AMD...



your card is ALLOCATING 21 GB of VRAM. Not using it.


again. No one want a Radeon. Get over it.
AMD has a good opportunity with this generation, considering Nvidia greedy price policy, but they screwed it up as usual with a meh product as the 7000 serie is.


that was ATi... AMD could have bought them, but it is a totally different company now.
Radeon 9700 and 9800 generation really were the best products at the time. Even the drivers were better than counterpart's.

Can you read, that video is about the difference between a 8GB card from 2 years ago and it's competition with 16GB and specifically how that's panned out.

And I didn't suggest don't buy Nvidia, you do you, all of you but FFS get 16GB ,same as the consoles minimum if like me you are f£#@££ NOT buying 5/900 GPU for two years use to then buy again.

if you're shitting cash ffff it fully have at it.

SOoo there's that

and it proves what getting just enough Vram now equates to in a couple of years.

And I own all, not one, simples, no bias buy all threes parts if suitable obviously.

 

[Why_Me]

So...
RTX 3070 "MSRP"499 USD while 99% of the world can not buy it for that money. So just simply forget it. Here in EU It is around 600-610USD with VAT the cheapest. (OK, I know US MSRP without VAT, but the final price will be 600-610USD equivalent in EUR??? FK them.)
The new(!!!) RTX 4070 will be MSRP 599USD???
That is 20% more, while the 3D performance will be ONLY ~30% more without bullshit magic generator.
So, let say that the overall official performance/price ratio will increase by ~8,3%!!!
What a developing technology?! Hmmm.... Huge deal.
Ready? Set! Run to the shop guys, because will not be enough in stock if you will not hurry!

I'm sure glad I don't live in the EU. Those prices are insane.

 

[N3M3515]

Ampere debuted at great price in fact it was probably the best priced Nvidia gen in the last decade or so.

That's because TURING debuted at ripoff prices. Compare it to PASCAL and it is not so great anymore.

 

[Max(IT)]

Can you read, that video is about the difference between a 8GB card from 2 years ago and it's competition with 16GB and specifically how that's panned out.

And I didn't suggest don't buy Nvidia, you do you, all of you but FFS get 16GB ,same as the consoles minimum if like me you are f£#@££ NOT buying 5/900 GPU for two years use to then buy again.

if you're shitting cash ffff it fully have at it.

SOoo there's that

and it proves what getting just enough Vram now equates to in a couple of years (kin stuck in bold I'm not angry honest )

ANd I own all, not one, simples, no bias buy all threes parts if suitable obviously , damn won't unbold still wtaf

RTX 3070 was underwhelming since the beginning. Its frame buffer was too small even for 2020 standards, and that was highlighted in every review.
BUT
compare it with 6800, which was priced higher at the time, it’s the typical HUB agenda to put AMD in a better light.

By the way, we are not speaking about 8 GB cards in this thread. We are speaking about a 12 GB card, targetted to 1440P gaming. Your assumption about it being not enough is based on what ?
12GB <> 8 GB

If they are going to release a 4060Ti with 8 GB of VRAM, then the comments will be different.

If you are speaking about price, sure, not a single card on the market today is placed at the right price point.

This was really the best and worst thing about the video, best because it revealed what was happening, worst because it's almost scary that these "shenanigans" are happening in 2023.
Let's hope it gets widespread attention and something good comes out of it.


so basically RX 6800 XT performance for RX 6800 XT price... (the 4070Ti costs about 900€ so the the 4070 will be around 700€)
No wonder AMD hasn't bothered announcing/launching any new cards below the 7900 series
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Again ?
Those prices are just because NO ONE is buying Radeon cards. No one.
Take a look at last Steam survey… Radeon 6800XT, 2 years after launch, is on the very bottom of the chart, right above “others”

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

The 4080, released overpriced a few months ago, is way above.

I am not "no one", and thousands of others who buy those cards are not either. We have records from TechEpiphany and elsewhere showing that top cards do sell, or course not in multi-million numbers, but certainly in tens od thousands. So please, spare us from such sweeping generalisations. It is you who need to get over it and stop voicing your opinion as if you represent entire population.

Also to you

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

very relevant I would say. Look at how Radeon cards are placed on Steam Survey. No one want a Radeon. That’s a fact.
And I really hate Nvidia as a Company, for its anti-consumer policy, but AMD is not an option

 

[Bwaze]

"If you are someone that believes at raster performance only (although in today's era, I would add that it is a highly obsolete metric), than the RTX 4070 performs 15% faster than an RTX 3070."

So RTX 3070 came out in October 2020 for $499. Almost 3 years later we'll get 15% faster card for 20% more - again, not an increase, but actually a decrease in price / performance! And I bet we're going to read jutifications that RTX 3070 was'nt actually available at MSRP, like that makes it OK now to continue scalping even without cryptoidiots...

 

[Max(IT)]

"If you are someone that believes at raster performance only (although in today's era, I would add that it is a highly obsolete metric), than the RTX 4070 performs 15% faster than an RTX 3070."

So RTX 3070 came out in October 2020 for $499. Almost 3 years later we'll get 15% faster card for 20% more - again, not an increase, but actually a decrease in price / performance! And I bet we're going to read jutifications that RTX 3070 was'nt actually available at MSRP, like that makes it OK now to continue scalping even without cryptoidiots...

Do we have any data proving 4070 is just 15% faster than 3070 ?
By the way did you really expect a linear increase in price after what happened in 2021/2022 ? Did you live on Earth on the last 2 years ?

 

[Bwaze]

Do we have any data proving 4070 is just 15% faster than 3070 ?
By the way did you really expect a linear increase in price after what happened in 2021/2022 ? Did you live on Earth on the last 2 years ?

Oh yeah, it's OK since my salary went up about... Zero - but that's my personal problem?

Yeah, I expected BETTER than linear price increase with new generation. Just as it worked for the past 25 years. Even with just linear price increase we would now be at cards that cost tens of thousands of dollars! Do the math.

"Data" comes from the leaks on WCCFTech, Videocardz. Reviews are not up yet.

 

[Max(IT)]

@Max(IT) trade in your Intel/Nvidia system and go all AMD! Donate to AMD, buy their stock, do something!!

I have 3 PCs and 2 notebooks in my house (4 family members).
I only have ONE Intel CPU.!
My son’s PCs have a 5900X and a 5800X, my wife’s laptop has a 5800HS and my own notebook has a 6800H.

I’m helping AMD quite a lot, I would say.

But for a graphic card, sorry but I will pass.
I have NO brand loyalty. I’m just tired from angry “customers” asking me to fix their Radeon, reinstall drivers, reinstall Windows (!!!). An angry customer means more workload for you (and this is not my main job !) and lack of trust for the next purchase.

Oh yeah, it's OK since my salary went up about... Zero - but that's my personal problem?

Yeah, I expected BETTER than linear price increase with new generation. Just as it worked for the past 25 years. Even with just linear orice increase we would now be at cards that cost tens of thousands of dollars! Do the math.

"Data" comes from the leaks on WCCFTech, Videocardz. Reviews are not up yet.

Hey, I’m not saying it is a good thing ! I’m just saying that everything electronic related went up in the last 3 years.

Leaked data (I take that with caution) are showing a card basically on par with a 3080, which is more than 15% faster than a 3070 (it’s more like 20/25% depending on resolution). And this not considering DLSS3.

 

[Bwaze]

Leaked data (I take that with caution) are showing a card basically on par with a 3080, which is more than 15% faster than a 3070 (it’s more like 20/25% depending on resolution). And this not considering DLSS3.

Yeah, it could be very dependant on game choice, resolution and settings - but even official bragging clearly shows that we're not getting about 40 - 50% generational increase that we normally see, and which the top end (RTX 4090, 4080) does match!

 

[Max(IT)]

Yeah, it could be very dependant on game choice, resolution and settings - but even official bragging clearly shows that we're not getting about 40 - 50% generational increase that we normally see, and which the top end (RTX 4090, 4080) does match!

True, and I wouldn’t advise an RTX 3070 owner to switch to a RTX 4070 (unless he doesn’t feel somehow limited by the 8 GB frame buffer), but in this scenario, I think a 2060 Super / 2070 Super user could find a decent solution for 1440P gaming with an RTX 4070.

He is wasting his life 24/7 to push AMD to become better. He is already doing so much for competition and the whole world.

I know, and I was already insulted and attacked a couple of times, just because I wasn’t happy about AMD choices.

 

[Tek-Check]

very relevant I would say. Look at how Radeon cards are placed on Steam Survey. No one want a Radeon. That’s a fact.
And I really hate Nvidia as a Company, for its anti-consumer policy, but AMD is not an optio

Methodology of Steam survey just exaggerates the marketshare. AMD has around 10%, so it's not that "no one" is buying it or that it is not an option. Change your language and you will be liberated.

 

[tvshacker]

I have 3 PCs and 2 notebooks in my house (4 family members).
I only have ONE Intel CPU.!
My son’s PCs have a 5900X and a 5800X, my wife’s laptop has a 5800HS and my own notebook has a 6800H.

I’m helping AMD quite a lot, I would say.

But for a graphic card, sorry but I will pass.
I have NO brand loyalty. I’m just tired from angry “customers” asking me to fix their Radeon, reinstall drivers, reinstall Windows (!!!). An angry customer means more workload for you (and this is not my main job !) and lack of trust for the next purchase.


Hey, I’m not saying it is a good thing ! I’m just saying that everything electronic related went up in the last 3 years.

Leaked data (I take that with caution) are showing a card basically on par with a 3080, which is more than 15% faster than a 3070 (it’s more like 20/25% depending on resolution). And this not considering DLSS3.

IIRC the leaked data that says it matches the 3080 was using "standard" DLSS on both cards.

 

[N3M3515]

I have NO brand loyalty.

Objectively a rx 6800 xt is better than anything nvidia has to offer at that price even with rt on. Wether people are buying it or not is irrelevant.