NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16GB Review—Not

[AusWolf]

Possible answers:
1 - to prove AMD marketing wrong when they say vram matters;
2 - to fool those who only see big numbers (including the price tag);
3 - to prove Jensen right on his adage "The more you buy, the more you save".

Definitely neither of these
Correct answer:
1 - to prove there are nvidia buyers (blind ones) who would spend any scalped super overcharged amount for whatever potato is offered by their "beloved" jensen - RTX 4060 Ti is nothing more than an RTX 4050 with a fake name and fake price tag..

Any of these options would suggest some more hype from Nvidia, but it seems like they don't even want to sell it. Why release something with a big "don't buy this, it's shit" label on it? There's no logic here, or at least I can't see any.

 

[Chrispy_]

When RDNA2 came out the prices were so out of whack that nobody noticed/cared.
6600XT vs 5700/5700XT did not fare all too well either, especially in situations relying on memory bandwidth. If I remember correctly even the relative results were pretty much the same as 4060ti and 3060ti/3070.

Edit:
$329 MSRP 5700 got 83/84% and $399 MSRP 5700XT got 92/94% vs $379 MSRP 6600XT (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-radeon-rx-6600-xt-gaming-x/28.html)
$399 MSRP 3060Ti gets 89/91% and $499 MSRP 3070 gets 101/104% vs $399 MSRP 4060Ti (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-founders-edition/32.html)
At 2160p in both cases there is a pretty severe falloff for newer cards.

When RDNA2 came out, I was selling used 5700XT cards for $1000 to miners.
TLDR, ignore pricing during the ETH boom, it wasn't real pricing, either at MSRP or street prices.

 

[wNotyarD]

Any of these options would suggest some more hype from Nvidia, but it seems like they don't even want to sell it. Why release something with a big "don't buy this, it's shit" label on it? There's no logic here, or at least I can't see any.

Actually, it'd hit my #1 suggestion: "Hey, do you see how the extra 8GB is only extra expense you don't need to buy as it doesn't do anything? AMD is wrong then"

 

[ARF]

Any of these options would suggest some more hype from Nvidia, but it seems like they don't even want to sell it. Why release something with a big "don't buy this, it's shit" label on it? There's no logic here, or at least I can't see any.

I think someone should write an article with a deep analysis and information about what's going in the semiconductors industry.
And I agree that it seems these companies lost their interest to offer new products with at least sufficient real performance upgrade.
The more we go forward, the more people will use relatively old products - such as the released in the 2017 - 2020 time frame.

 

[kapone32]

So today MSI Gaming did a live stream on their 4060TI 16Gb slim. The used 5 Games and in 3 the 8 GB was faster in 1 the 16GB was faster at 445 FPS vs 415 FPS and it was slower in other Games. This card is a total fail and makes the 6800XT look even more attractive.

 

[Tek-Check]

An orphan-card that nobody wanted. Nvidia did not want to launch it, consumers do not want to buy it for $500.
Strix is more expensive than several 4070 which are 30% faster. Bingo! Nvidia has released this card to try to push buyers towards 4070.

Last chance to buy 6800XT for similar price like 4060Ti, the same amount of VRAM, and it's a 4K entry card.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Would have been a great opportunity to introduce price cuts for the midrange, but no, not only are there no price cuts, the consumer won't be informed about its performance before purchasing the card.

ASUS ROG-STRIX-RTX4060TI-O16G-GAMING 660 euro
INNO3D GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Twin X2 OC 16GB GDDR6 540 euro

So, I converted this price into USD and nearly gave myself a heart attack. Ready?

.....660 Euro comes out to 739 USD. Seven. Hundred. Thirty. Nine. Dollars.

 

[toyo]

Looks like Nvidia is slowly sunsetting its "gamer" business as focus shifts to AI. Nobody needs these Xennial Medusa and Dawn demo enjoyers and their demands for decent performance increases at the same price between generations. They're too toxic to the business, and get mad when Nvidia (and AMD, and Intel) launch questionable products.
Stick to proper, Human Resources stacked data center professional business. That's where the money and lack of criticism at.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

I converted this price into USD and nearly gave myself a heart attack

Enjoy our "outside the US" world. Video cards are expensive in the US and even more expensive everywhere else.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Looks like Nvidia is slowly sunsetting its "gamer" business as focus shifts to AI. Nobody needs these Xennial Medusa and Dawn demo enjoyers and their demands for decent performance increases at the same price between generations. They're too toxic to the business, and get mad when Nvidia (and AMD, and Intel) launch questionable products.
Stick to proper, Human Resources stacked data center professional business. That's where the money and lack of criticism at.

IT ALSO IS NOT A Coincidence Nvidia own they're own pc hardware virtual rental company. NOW, is it.

I just see steppy shit in every game running on this(4060Ti), I couldn't take that after spending Vega or 1080Ti levels of money, Five years or more on.

 

[unwind-protect]

So, I converted this price into USD and nearly gave myself a heart attack. Ready?

.....660 Euro comes out to 739 USD. Seven. Hundred. Thirty. Nine. Dollars.

Keep in mind that prices displayed include sales tax/VAT in Europe. In Germany that would be 19%.

 

[Mussels]

Nvidia wants you to think the extra VRAM is worthless, by putting it on a GPU with such a limited bus width it's useless on that card
But they also dont want you to think extra VRAM is useless or that these GPU's are bad, so i guess nobody gets the paper launch GPU

 

[londiste]

So, I converted this price into USD and nearly gave myself a heart attack. Ready?

.....660 Euro comes out to 739 USD. Seven. Hundred. Thirty. Nine. Dollars.

Prices in Europe include taxes, mainly VAT at ~20%. Without that it'd be $616.
And this is a stupid overpriced SKU. There are 16GB 4060Ti-s available in Germany at 528€ today. Which is at MSRP (528€ = $593 and without 19% VAT that makes $499).

 

[AusWolf]

I think someone should write an article with a deep analysis and information about what's going in the semiconductors industry.
And I agree that it seems these companies lost their interest to offer new products with at least sufficient real performance upgrade.
The more we go forward, the more people will use relatively old products - such as the released in the 2017 - 2020 time frame.

Maybe Moore's law is really dead?

So, I converted this price into USD and nearly gave myself a heart attack. Ready?

.....660 Euro comes out to 739 USD. Seven. Hundred. Thirty. Nine. Dollars.

As a rule of thumb, 1 USD MSRP = 1 GBP retail thanks to import tariffs and taxes. It must be even worse with EUR.

 

[WatchThe80s]

So, I converted this price into USD and nearly gave myself a heart attack. Ready?

.....660 Euro comes out to 739 USD. Seven. Hundred. Thirty. Nine. Dollars.

660EUR(converted from HUF) right now the 8gb version. There are 4070 cards that are cheaper than 4060 ti 8GB here.

 

[londiste]

8GB 4060Ti-s are available in Europe for 410-420€.

Please stop harping about some stupid example.
ASUS does not seem to have an RTX4070 Strix OC available (at least not in stores in Europe). ASUS 4070Ti Strix OC however costs over 1000€...

 

[ARF]

Maybe Moore's law is really dead?

Well, the Navi 31 (2022 Q4) to Navi 21 (2020 Q4) obeys it: "that the number of transistors in an integrated circuit (IC) doubles about every two years".
~27 billion transistors doubled to ~58 billion transistors in 2 years.

I think there is another problem - that TSMC posts unjustified profit margins uplifts and extreme wafers costs demands.

 

[Chrispy_]

Screw it, I've just bought four of the MSI Ventus 3X for £399 each.

No, they're not a bargain, but we have need for 16GB CUDA cards and as pathetic as these are, they're still the cheapest 16GB cards you can buy. I was ranting about how terrible they are compared to the A4000, but not everyone needs actual GPU performance, simply the ability to hold the entire dataset in VRAM on the GPU.

I'm treating them a bit like those shitty Geforce GT730 cards with 4GB of DDR3 having some non-gaming uses while Flagship cards from the same era like the 780Ti were limited to 3GB GDDR5. They'll run workloads that more expensive cards won't. They will not run them well, but any result at all is better than crashing out with an error.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

Screw it, I've just bought four of the MSI Ventus 3X for £399 each.

Why did you not get used 3090s? They are available for similar money (about 50 to 100 quid more) and run much, much faster and have 8 GB more headroom. The strict "only new goods" policy?

 

[Mussels]

Why did you not get used 3090s? They are available for similar money (about 50 to 100 quid more) and run much, much faster and have 8 GB more headroom. The strict "only new goods" policy?

sounds like its for business use, you cant do second hand if you want a warranty and to claim it on tax

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

sounds like its for business use, you cant do second hand if you want a warranty and to claim it on tax

In some circumstances you definitely are out of this option. That's why I'm asking and not roasting.

I personally used a lot of used stuff for various businesses and so far so good, only one $50 ($200 BNIB) GPU went kaput (the merriest part is it died when it already became useless due to that business going outta juice).

 

[Chrispy_]

In some circumstances you definitely are out of this option. That's why I'm asking and not roasting.

I personally used a lot of used stuff for various businesses and so far so good, only one $50 ($200 BNIB) GPU went kaput (the merriest part is it died when it already became useless due to that business going outta juice).

He's correct, yes.

These are business purchases and go on the asset register for VAT purposes.

I have bought used 3090s in the past, but it's more hassle than it's worth for me, and with 20% tax in the UK, being unable to claim back VAT on used purchases actually makes the used 3090's considerably more expensive still - £650 vs £400. 3090's are also risky given how many of them are ex-mining cards that need disassembly and replacement of thermal pads. I've purchased about 10 used, had to replace pads on 8 of them which is yet more time and money.

I buy used cards to mess about with (personally) all the time, but business purchases work differently, in that I have access to a handful of distributors and integrator inventory but have to pay on company account, invoiced and registered, e-POs completed and filed, and some old crap written off the asset register to get various boxes ticked for upgrade/maintenance rather than new inventory. Even buying new items from retailers with a company card is more hassle than it's worth sometimes!