AMD Ryzen 5 8600G to Feature Radeon 760M Graphics with 8 CU, 5.00 GHz Maximum CPU Boost

[btarunr]

AMD's upcoming Ryzen 5 8600G Socket AM5 desktop APU will feature the truncated Radeon 760M integrated graphics, and not the previously believed Radeon 780M, or the full iGPU configuration present on the silicon. At this point, there are still conflicting reports on which exact silicon the Ryzen 8000G desktop APUs are even based on, with some of the older reports and Geekbench detecting 8600G engineering samples to be based on "Phoenix," and some of the newer reports suggesting that it's based on "Hawk Point." Both "Phoenix" and "Hawk Point" are nearly identical, except for the latter to feature a faster NPU.

The Ryzen 5 8600G is configured with a 6-core/12-thread CPU based on the "Zen 4" microarchitecture, with 1 MB of L2 cache per core, and 16 MB of shared L3 cache. The CPU base frequency is set to a healthy 4.35 GHz, and maximum CPU boost frequency of 5.00 GHz. These CPU clocks are very similar to those of the mobile Ryzen 5 7640H (which has a base frequency of 4.30 GHz, but the same 5.00 GHz boost), but in case of the 8600G, the 65 W TDP and possible 90 W PPT should help with boost frequency residency. The Radeon 760M gets 8 out of 12 RDNA3 compute units physically present on the silicon, giving it 512 stream processors. Geekbench detects an engine clock (GPU clock) of 2.80 GHz, compared to the 2.60 GHz of the Radeon 760M on the Ryzen 5 7640H. The 8600G ES was running on an MSI MEG X670E Ace motherboard, with 32 GB of dual-channel DDR5-6000 memory.



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[R0H1T]

Great so a 8xxx chip is back on previous(?) gen uarch

Spoiler

 

[TumbleGeorge]

12GB shared for graphic is WoW moment.

 

[SL2]

AMD's upcoming Ryzen 5 8600G Socket AM5 desktop APU will feature the truncated Radeon 760M integrated graphics, and not the previously believed Radeon 780M, or the full iGPU configuration present on the silicon.

Why would it have the full graphics? Makes no sense.

Great so a 8xxx chip is back on previous(?) gen uarch

What did you expect? Desktop Zen APU not showing up after laptop APU? Never happened before.

Besides, what are we exactly missing out on, slower NPU that's possibly disabled anyway? It's still Zen 4.

 

[R0H1T]

Well I expected them not to go back to the same BS on desktops & no in case you missed it all of the current gen zen4 chips are already "APU"

 

[TumbleGeorge]

Well, ok, will we have PCIe 5.0 with the Ryzen 8000G? How is total number of PCIe lanes which comes from this APU? Shorted like in mobile version?
Edit:TYPO

 

[Crackong]

Leak performance benchmark says its vulkan performance is about the same as GTX 1060

 

[SL2]

Well I expected them not to go back to the same BS on desktops & no in case you missed it all of the current gen zen4 chips are already "APU"

No point in crying over a model number lol..

They're not called APU's just because they have 2 CU's.

Shorted like in mobile version?

What are you even talking about? How/why would they short them? To get the pure smell of burnt electronics?

 

[TumbleGeorge]

No point in crying over a model number lol..

They're not called APU's just because they have 2 CU's.


What are you even talking about? How/why would they short them? To get the pure smell of burnt electronics?

Phoenix support total 20 PCIe 4.0 lanes(only 8 lanes for mobile dGPU), Raphael total 28 PCIe lanes but 4 of them connected to Southbridge working in PCIe 4.0 mode. I think when Ryzen 8000G be installed on X670/650 non E motherboard with rich number of ports... Houston we may have problems.

 

[Geofrancis]

Phoenix support total 20 PCIe 4.0 lanes(only 8 lanes for mobile dGPU), Raphael total 28 PCIe lanes but 4 of them connected to Southbridge working in PCIe 4.0 mode. I think when Ryzen 8000G be installed on X670/650 non E motherboard with rich number of ports... Houston we may have problems.

its no different from AM4 where you also gave up some pcie slots and it ran at 3.0. no one is installing these into X670 boards, these are for OEMs to put in office pcs.


I suspect the destop parts are just laptop rejects, that's why its GPU has disabled parts and they need to run them at high power levels.

 

[R0H1T]

They're not called APU's just because they have 2 CU's.

They're called APU's because they have an IGP, wanna try again

I suspect the destop parts are just laptop rejects, that's why its GPU has disabled parts and they need to run them at high power levels.

Not necessarily rejects, if they're having a few holes in the desktop stack they can fit some of the mobile chips in there which seems to be the case with this one. Of course they're also moving against Intel so there's that.

 

[NC37]

Nice to see AMD isn't completely abandoning RDNA3. Was pretty grating to see them so quickly talking 4 and 5 before 3 was even fully released. 1 and 2 had such long life. If they are including it into APUs then there is certainly hope it will get supported longer.

Hopefully they learned their lesson on Vega and not updating APU tech.

 

[Dragokar]

Am I getting something wrong here? Gfx 1103 is rdna3, not vega/gcn.

Also the cores are Zen 4/4c in the 8G series.......so what am I getting wrong about old stuff posted above??

 

[Daven]

The specs are exactly as expected based on the laptop parts.

Ryzen 7 - 12 CUs
Ryzen 5 - 8 CUs
Ryzen 3 - 4 CUs

Why is the article trying to make it sound as if AMD shorted us somehow?

 

[wNotyarD]

Why is the article trying to make it sound as if AMD shorted us somehow?

I guess there were rumours that even the R5's could have all CUs enabled.

 

[Macro Device]

So it's theoretically 2.67 and 4 times slower than an RX 7600 for R7 8700G and R7 8600G respectively. R5 7500F + RX 6600 - 16 GB DDR5 (as we don't need to allocate RAM for iGPU) is no more expensive so I don't see how these APUs will be any popular in any gamers other than super-compact system users.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

So it's theoretically 2.67 and 4 times slower than an RX 7600 for R7 8700G and R7 8600G respectively. R5 7500F + RX 6600 - 16 GB DDR5 (as we don't need to allocate RAM for iGPU) is no more expensive so I don't see how these APUs will be any popular in any gamers other than super-compact system users.

Consume much more energy? Purchase price equality is under questions.

 

[R0H1T]

I don't see how these APUs will be any popular in any gamers other than super-compact system users.

Well someone might pair them with LPDDR5x & let'em rip, so who knows.

 

[Macro Device]

Consume much more energy?

On idle? Doubt.
At the same performance? Doubt.
At peak performance? Well, at least you get double or even triple the FPS.

Purchase price equality is under questions.

Yeah, re-checked the market and things got more expensive. Yet it still more than 2x gaming performance so why not.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

On idle? Doubt.
At the same performance? Doubt.
At peak performance? Well, at least you get double or even triple the FPS.

Yeah, re-checked the market and things got more expensive. Yet it still more than 2x gaming performance so why not.

Well, since you think differently than at least some of the users that these APUs are aimed at. I don't see any problem, no cross point. In fact, how much do you think the power consumption difference is between a system with an APU and a system with a graphics card like the rx 6600. In my opinion, under load, the consumption of this video card alone can significantly exceed that of an entire computer installed with an APU, including the monitor. ..

 

[Macro Device]

how much do you think the power consumption difference is between a system with an APU and a system with a graphics card like the rx 6600.

About one hundred watts if we're talking full load on both systems. Ryzen 7600 consumes less energy than any of these APUs and 16 GB RAM consume a bit less power than 32 GB so it compensates for higher consumption manifested by an RX 6600. If we're talking occasional gaming (<10 hours a week) that effectively means about 50 annual kW worth of difference, or $40 in the most ridiculously overpriced electricity parts of this globe. Can be ignored by most users. If we're talking more frequent gaming then why torturing yourself with low framerates and stutters? Investing in a dGPU makes more sense.

That's why I only see it viable in very tiny PCs where you can't fit any decent dGPU whatsoever. Very niche product.

These are my idle values. i5-12400F + RX 6700 XT, the only screen is 4K60. I doubt it very hard you can notice any difference between that and a single APU:

This is Cyberpunk 2077, 1080p High with no upscaling, limited to 30 FPS (probably still better than these APUs can do); the wattage is <100 W on my GPU. RX 6600 is a bit more efficient in this regard.

Same game, 1080p Ultra, no upscaling, limited to RX 6600 XT performance level.

100 W as a 1080p60 price doesn't seem too huge.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

Eventually. Let's wait for the reviews. There should be all the data we need for comparison. Including power consumption and price/performance.
I think that @W1zzard going to be pretty busy soon. The holidays are over...

 

[SL2]

They're called APU's because they have an IGP

Stop making things up.

AMD was very clear that the inclusion of an iGPU doesn't make "Raphael" an APU, because the iGPU is rather basic, and just about enough for non-gaming workloads. The company intends to continue making APUs—processors with beefy iGPUs for mainstream gaming performance—including for the desktop platform.

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[R0H1T]

Oh zip it, you know when AMD first used the term APU? And why Intel doesn't use it? It's a marketing term, even if its utility has changed slightly over the years!

 

[SL2]

Just admit that you were wrong.

Anyway, I wonder what the point is with buying this instead of a system with a soldered APU, especially when mini-ITX boards are so expensive.
Building a bigger system with an ATX board seems unlikely as well.