LG Reveals Full Specifications and Pricing for the 4K UltraGear 32GS95UE-B OLED Monitor

[Imouto]

I do. But that's sort of built-in when talkin OLED, so what can you do? Ask for 60Hz models?

I get this is early adopter stuff but maybe asking for +$1K monitors to have the full fledged spec like others do.

 

[bug]

I get this is early adopter stuff but maybe asking for +$1K monitors to have the full fledged spec like others do.

I've already said that. I just added that in this particular case, lack of DP2.1 is almost a non-issue. And again, this is going for $1.5k+ (tax included), so I'd prefer everything and the kitchen sink at this price point.

 

[Keivz]

This is where you need to look: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#Refresh_frequency_limits_for_HDR_video
HDR and 10bpc @4k 120Hz is just outside the realm of HBR3.

You need to look at the table just below the one you linked to, where they list transmission mode limits using DSC or chroma subsampling or both. Hence, while using DSC, you don’t need chroma subsampling to go to or beyond 4k120 using DP 1.4 (HBR3) until you hit 5k 240 hz.

 

[bug]

You need to look at the table just below the one you linked to, where they list transmission mode limits using DSC or chroma subsampling or both. Hence, while using DSC, you don’t need chroma subsampling to go to or beyond 4k120 using DP 1.4 (HBR3) until you hit 5k 240 hz.

Now we're just going in circles: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_Stream_Compression#Effect

Although DSC is mathematically lossy, it meets the ISO/IEC 29170 standard for "visually lossless" compression

It cannot be done without lossy compression, even if the compression is imperceptible to the naked eye.

Again, this why I say lack of DP1.4 is mostly nitpicking. But for the asking price, you're allowed to nitpick.

 

[Tomorrow]

You could not have stuffed a GSync Ultimate module there for the price?

Still people glamoring for this outdated, expensive and active cooled FPGA in 2024?
There are very few advantages for this module these days, but numerous downsides.

It depends on what you mean by "better". QD-OLED uses blue light and blue is the LED that dies faster than other variants.
I say the proof is in the pudding, so let them release first and talk about them a few years down the road.

Rtings has tested QD-OLED and thus far it has not died faster than WOLED.
The main problem with QD-OLED are the raised blacks when any amount of light hits the screen. It's made even worse by the fact that most QD-OLED panels use glossy coating. So unless you only use it at night or have perfectly controlled studio lighting behind the monitor then it has several issues with gray blacks and reflections.

There's no GPU in the market which supports that.

AMD 7000 series RDNA3 supports DP 2.0 UHBR 13,5 @ 54Gbps and their RDNA3 based Pro cards support full DP 2.0 UHBR 20 @ 80Gbps.
DP 2.1a permits longer cable lengths at those speeds in the future.

 

[Metroid]

Get used to it because past 4K 240 the bandwidth required for uncompressed stream exceeds that provided by DP 2.1 spec.

up to 4k 300hz 10 bit color will be fine, that is 74g.

 

[Keivz]

Now we're just going in circles: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_Stream_Compression#Effect


It cannot be done without lossy compression, even if the compression is imperceptible to the naked eye.

Again, this why I say lack of DP1.4 is mostly nitpicking. But for the asking price, you're allowed to nitpick.

No circles here. I didn’t say anything about lossey or lossless. You said dsc uses chroma subsampling, we said (and proved) it does not. Simple. I just don’t want misinformation to start spreading, that’s all.

 

[bug]

No circles here. I didn’t say anything about lossey or lossless. You said dsc uses chroma subsampling, we said (and proved) it does not. Simple. I just don’t want misinformation to start spreading, that’s all.

Ah ok. Yes, DSC != chroma subsampling. Still lossy, but different. If I stated otherwise, I was wrong.

 

[Onasi]

Ah ok. Yes, DSC != chroma subsampling. Still lossy, but different. If I stated otherwise, I was wrong.

As I said, it’s all cool. No one said here that DSC is lossless either, just VISUALLY lossless which, at the end of the day, is all that matters really. It’s significantly better than subsampling since it avoids the text issues you mentioned earlier. It’s unavoidable since the panel technology seems to overtake the port bandwidth nowadays at every turn. Nevermind the fact that VESA themselves didn’t help matters by creating several tiers of DP 2.1 which all have different performance.

 

[noel_fs]

jesus christ thats overpriced

 

[R-T-B]

It's not really BS, DP1.4 has enough bandwidth to do almost anything this monitor can do.

With DSC. It's nearly lossless yes, but not entirely, and is especially more noticable at 4k@240hz for example.

If you want to believe in it, do not include me, DSC is lossy just like MP3.

I've used DSC and I honestly can't see the difference even with a magnifying glass until you really push it to it's limits.

 

[Onasi]

With DSC. It's nearly lossless yes, but not entirely, and is especially more noticable at 4k@240hz for example.

There is no consumer GPU on the market that can run it at 4K240Hz without DSC and I have no idea if the monitor manufacturers are in the loop on what the next gen cards from NV and AMD will implement, so, assuming they are not, I guess it makes no sense for them to go for a full UHBR20 port and cables which are an added cost.

 

[dir_d]

yeah whenever I do do OLED it will be WOLED

Why is this? If you went OLED with this year gen of monitors the QD-OLEDs right now have 3 year burn in warranties compared to this 2year of the WOLED. The QD-OLEDs are cheaper and have more features as well. I really don't believe there's much of a difference between the two technologies right now and even less in the feature.

 

[R-T-B]

There is no consumer GPU on the market that can run it at 4K240Hz without DSC

Can't the Radeon 7xxx series do that?

Why is this? If you went OLED with this year gen of monitors the QD-OLEDs right now have 3 year burn in warranties compared to this 2year of the WOLED. The QD-OLEDs are cheaper and have more features as well. I really don't believe there's much of a difference between the two technologies right now and even less in the feature.

There is. You lose the perfect blacks.

 

[Onasi]

Can't the Radeon 7xxx series do that?

Only the Pro models. The consumer cards are limited to UHBR13.5.

 

[Keivz]

Why is this? If you went OLED with this year gen of monitors the QD-OLEDs right now have 3 year burn in warranties compared to this 2year of the WOLED. The QD-OLEDs are cheaper and have more features as well. I really don't believe there's much of a difference between the two technologies right now and even less in the feature.

I too will go woled for my next oled monitor. The raised blacks with modest ambient light on qd-oled’s are a deal breaker to me. Sure the color gamut/volume on qd-oled is higher than woled but in my experience (using qd-led with some of the highest color volumes / gamuts on any consumer display) I just don’t see the difference.

The matte vs glossy debate is another story but to be honest I don’t notice much difference between my glossy oled tv and my ultra matte oled monitor while gaming so to me that is a non issue.

Price wise, LG often releases their monitors at a steep price and heavily discounts them weeks to months later. I can all but guarantee the price will be similar between the two technologies by fall.

 

[R-T-B]

Only the Pro models. The consumer cards are limited to UHBR13.5.

Oh, I though UHBR13.5 could do 4k@240. Guess I was wrong there.

 

[Onasi]

@R-T-B
Yeah, it's a bit of a mess on VESAs part.

Required data rates assume 10-bit colour depth and 4:4:4 chroma and are based on common timing format (CVT-R2) (source: tftcentral)

 

[bug]

Only the Pro models. The consumer cards are limited to UHBR13.5.

Still, we're talking ridiculous territory here. There are no movies shot in 4k@240fps. You could render the desktop at 240fps, but... really... That leaves just games where, even if you could push 240fps, nobody would notice the DSC anyway.

I'm not even sure most pros will bother squinting at those details, seeing how most streaming services compress the crap out their work anyway.

That said, the argument that "no card can drive it (today)" is kinda moot. My monitors survive several generations of video cards. Always.

 

[Vayra86]

It depends on what you mean by "better". QD-OLED uses blue light and blue is the LED that dies faster than other variants.
I say the proof is in the pudding, so let them release first and talk about them a few years down the road.

Rtings already confirmed QdOled wears faster and in doing so also has color deviation.

 

[Tomorrow]

Rtings already confirmed QdOled wears faster and in doing so also has color deviation.

Care to link this article/video?

Because from what i saw they made a mistake testing the first gen 16:9 QD-OLED monitor by not running fullscreen content there.
Thus the sides that were black exhibited no wear but the center was driven harder.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

I think those are next year, at least for high refresh rates.

Fingers crossed. 32 is too big for PC gaming monitor for me, and 27 is a bit much for 4k.

 

[Onasi]

Fingers crossed. 32 is too big for PC gaming monitor for me, and 27 is a bit much for 4k.

Oh, you want EXACTLY 28? Because the panels that will possibly come out next year that were mentioned are unlikely to be 28 inches. The favored format for that size for both LG and Samsung has been 27 inches, around 26.5 to be exact, if we judge by the 1440p models. Probably a tooling thing. What I am saying is to not be too hopeful for 28 inches.

 

[dir_d]

I too will go woled for my next oled monitor. The raised blacks with modest ambient light on qd-oled’s are a deal breaker to me. Sure the color gamut/volume on qd-oled is higher than woled but in my experience (using qd-led with some of the highest color volumes / gamuts on any consumer display) I just don’t see the difference.

The matte vs glossy debate is another story but to be honest I don’t notice much difference between my glossy oled tv and my ultra matte oled monitor while gaming so to me that is a non issue.

Price wise, LG often releases their monitors at a steep price and heavily discounts them weeks to months later. I can all but guarantee the price will be similar between the two technologies by fall.

I see, I haven't used a QD-OLED so i don't know if not having the polarizer makes that much of a difference during the day or under direct light. I personally use a 48" LG C1 and when this one dies i will probably go down to 42" if they are up to 240hz by then.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Fingers crossed. 32 is too big for PC gaming monitor for me, and 27 is a bit much for 4k.

So get the 1440p 27" OLED!