US Government Wants Nuclear Plants to Offload AI Data Center Expansion

[FoulOnWhite]

Like many folk have said - they built the turbines before expanding the infrastructure. There's literally no capacity for the excess power. The grids cost way more to develop, so they're slower to build up, and require more planning. Remember as well, that the grids carry the power from all sources, oil, gas, nuclear, renewables. There's only so much 'x' number of cables can carry. On site power stations, otoh, are a different matter - direct power generation for commercial use doesn't need the same grid infrastructure.

they are wasting a lot of them then it seems.

 

[ThrashZone]

they are wasting a lot of them then it seems.

Hi,
Hell just adding solar panels on individuals houses was a butt show waiting game attempting to get on the grid to sell back a little to subsidize what they cost/ install/.. monthly

Hell these were people signing 20+ year contract plans that took months to get completed if they ever do.

Also they were not adding batteries for storing the power they generated either
Instead these companies were also selling natural gas generator systems if the power goes off hehe

 

[the54thvoid]

Hi,
Hell just adding solar panels on individuals houses was a butt show waiting game attempting to get on the grid to sell back a little to subsidize what they cost/ install/.. monthly

Hell these were people signing 20+ year contract plans that took months to get completed if they ever do.

Also they were not adding batteries for storing the power they generated either
Instead these companies were also selling natural gas generator systems if the power goes off hehe

We're well off course with this thread (and I'm not helping). But using natural gas back up generators for renewable downtime in residential settings is a solid foundation for power. Until enough is invested to provide 'uinlimited' and uninteruppted supplies.

But for commercial entities, on site power delivery is more pragmatic (if not very expensive). But then, these massive companies can afford to invest in it.

 

[Totally]

Sounds like a "you" problem to me. There are plenty of countries doing +50% of their generation with renewables without a single hitch. There are countries doing nearly 100%. Maybe the problem is corporate and your country being deregulated as hell? I dunno why you can't realize that there are other places where this stuff is working.

As for fixes not being perfect they are still fixes. I still don't get the state of mind of refusing anything but a silver bullet.

Sounds like a "you" problem to me. There are plenty of countries doing +50% of their generation with renewables without a single hitch. There are countries doing nearly 100%. Maybe the problem is corporate and your country being deregulated as hell? I dunno why you can't realize that there are other places where this stuff is working.

As for fixes not being perfect they are still fixes. I still don't get the state of mind of refusing anything but a silver bullet.

Like? Pretty sure any example you bring up is going to have geological that are leveraged that aren't common to other countries or are only that nearly 100% is only on paper and they buy their significant shortfall from neighboring countries or import natural gas.

 

[TechLurker]

Hi,
Hell just adding solar panels on individuals houses was a butt show waiting game attempting to get on the grid to sell back a little to subsidize what they cost/ install/.. monthly

Hell these were people signing 20+ year contract plans that took months to get completed if they ever do.

Also they were not adding batteries for storing the power they generated either
Instead these companies were also selling natural gas generator systems if the power goes off hehe

The new "in" thing is adding both. You'd have a modest battery system to power the essentials in the evenings since it's too expensive to go whole house battery, and a powerful whole house genset outside that only kicks in when power loss from the city is detected, since a whole house genset is still cheaper than the equivalent in whole house battery storage. It cuts down on the cost of pricy whole-house battery sets, while still ensuring that one has a battery to keep the lights, fridge, toaster (or microwave), and laundry working through the evenings normally, and a continuous flow of power in the 1-2second delay when a typical whole house genset starts-up and delivers power the moment power loss from the city is detected.

 

[R-T-B]

Explain green loving California and their energy blackouts.

Haven't had rolling blackout ones like Texas since like the early 2000s man.

I have family there. California is much more meme than reality, and outdated one at that. At most today, electricity is expensive, but not unreliable.

To take it back, my point was Texas isolates itself grid wise and that's why its worse off than even California. Nothing more. The isolation itself is factual.

It's not political.

Sadly, it seems to be these days. Case in point how everyone lit up at the mention of Texas.

 

[Imouto]

Like? Pretty sure any example you bring up is going to have geological that are leveraged that aren't common to other countries or are only that nearly 100% is only on paper and they buy their significant shortfall from neighboring countries or import natural gas.

List of countries by renewable electricity production - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Totally]

List of countries by renewable electricity production - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Like? Pretty sure any example you bring up is going to have geological [qualities] leveraged that aren't common to other countries or are only that nearly 100% is only on paper and they buy their significant shortfall from neighboring countries or import natural gas.

Every on that list country falls into on either one of those two categories That list is driven by hydro e.g. the countries toping that list are very mountainous and are taking advantage of rivers and water resevoirs in their area. They also have low populations that aren't industrialized. ICYMI the countries you are complaining about that should be more like those countries are very flat.

 

[ThrashZone]

Haven't had rolling blackout ones like Texas since like the early 2000s man.

I have family there. California is much more meme than reality, and outdated one at that. At most today, electricity is expensive, but not unreliable.

To take it back, my point was Texas isolates itself grid wise and that's why its worse off than even California. Nothing more. The isolation itself is factual.


Sadly, it seems to be these days. Case in point how everyone lit up at the mention of Texas.

Hi,
More like people listed States, Cali for one that black outs are an event that happens quite often at the least monthly and some genius "in their own mind" named a rare event Texas had as some sort of proof lol
Details of the Texas single blackout are troubling no doubt though but before had the lowest electric rate in the US and likely still does.

 

[the54thvoid]

....Details of the Texas single blackout are troubling no doubt though but before had the lowest electric rate in the US and likely still does.

Not even close.

https://www.energybot.com/electricity-rates/

It's 28th on my count.

Nebraska is the cheapest.

 

[ThrashZone]

Not even close.

https://www.energybot.com/electricity-rates/

It's 28th on my count.

Nebraska is the cheapest.

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Hi,
Not sure how you got this site to give you a list but kudos hehe

Before the crazy ass freeze deal happened I just signed a 36 month fixed rate contact for 10 cents kwh
People that weren't on fixed rate plans got hosed for sure.

 

[the54thvoid]

It's always a dead cert if the opportunity arises to secure a good deal. Good catch.

You should start mining.

 

[ThrashZone]

It's always a dead cert if the opportunity arises to secure a good deal. Good catch.

You should start mining.

Hi,
Yeah I shopped in winter when rates are lower hehe
I almost waited to long seeing the freeze hit just after the contact kicked in so couple more weeks and I'd been hosed as well

 

[R-T-B]

More like people listed States, Cali for one that black outs are an event that happens quite often at the least monthly and some genius "in their own mind" named a rare event Texas had as some sort of proof lol

They don't happen monthly. They don't really happen at all for nearly a decade.

Heck I get more blackouts than Cali or Texas (I live in a forest with above ground wires).

 

[ThrashZone]

They don't happen monthly. They don't really happen at all for nearly a decade.

Heck I get more blackouts than Cali or Texas (I live in a forest with above ground wires).

Hi,
Cali has very poor forest management with line clearing likely electric provider and state ignorance combined
With so many forest fires I can't say they are willing to do a lot of fire breaks even to this date knowing how common they are yearly.

Either way seems Texas single event gets pushed as some sort of proof that utility isolation is bad but this freeze event was pretty infrequent and hopefully never happen again.
Frankly being in Louisiana atm there aren't any shopping around for providers here the price is the price so pretty much a monopoly system lol

 

[R-T-B]

Cali has very poor forest management with line clearing likely electric provider and state ignorance combined

Yeah, so does Washington, but not really the subject we were talking about.

 

[ThrashZone]

Yeah, so does Washington, but not really the subject we were talking about.

Hi,
Well yeah but neither does Texas references but it was lol

 

[R-T-B]

Hi,
Well yeah but neither does Texas references but it was lol

Yes, as a reference to capacity related blackouts.

 

[the54thvoid]

So far off topic.....

 

[pavle]

Looks like they really like _automatic _idiots; they surely were in no hurry to make additional power plants for the people and make utility bills lower in the past.

 

[ThrashZone]

Looks like they really like _automatic _idiots; they surely were in no hurry to make additional power plants for the people and make utility bills lower in the past.

Hi,
Nuclear is so out of touch with reality it's baffling how it came up when wind and solar are clear a million times easier/ faster to get going with the AI dog whistle hehe

Sorry this begs the question did they ask AI what type of power source to use for the AI data centers lol

 

[R-T-B]

Hi,
Nuclear is so out of touch with reality it's baffling how it came up when wind and solar are clear a million times easier/ faster to get going with the AI dog whistle hehe

Sometimes I swear you and I don't exist in the same dimension.

Not much more productive dialog here to be had. I'll be going.

 

[Imouto]

Every on that list country falls into on either one of those two categories That list is driven by hydro e.g. the countries toping that list are very mountainous and are taking advantage of rivers and water resevoirs in their area. They also have low populations that aren't industrialized. ICYMI the countries you are complaining about that should be more like those countries are very flat.

Another example of people getting mad for being proved wrong. The main point in my statement was countries doing +50% of their generation using renewables without problems. That's over twice of what the USA does and implied that whatever problems the USA has, they have nothing to do with renewable production making a significant part of its totals.

In that list the USA is #126. There are ~70 countries doing 50% or more and you choose to be fixated in the 100%.

 

[the54thvoid]

So far off topic.