AMD Outs Ryzen 5000XT Processors for Socket AM4, an 8-year Old Socket

[lexluthermiester]

what silly debate? you asked how I came to the conclusion, I provide my exact rationale and how I got there, you dismiss it with blah blah blah, call it a silly debate, chuck in a meaningless expression and say I'm the problem?

The slides are misleading, period. That is my only point.

Nothing you have said undoes that or convinces me that they're not, and attacking me instead of my argument isn't helping either.

It's possible you missed the rest of the thread. I'll be brief. The slides don't matter. The fact that AMD is continuing to show the AM4 platform some love and with competent CPU models is what matters. No one cares if the 5800XT/5900XT doesn't exactly match the numbers AMD is projecting. As long as they're close and the price for these CPU model's is right, that's what matters.

That is why I said your previous statement cames off as blah, blah, blah. You seem to be missing the big-picture point.

 

[wolf]

That is why I said your previous statement cames off as blah, blah, blah. You seem to be missing the big-picture point.

The extra context is helpful thanks. And showing the platform some love with new SKU's is a mixed bag imo, I don't see this launch as necessary at all, there could have been other ways to show it love, like price drops on existing parts as I suggested. I will say the prices are decent however which is ok.

In fact, an unfavorable read on the whole situation is that they launched these SKU's specifically to market them this way and have people believe they're a gaming match for Intel 13th gen, which they're not. Perhaps that is the big picture point to some, as it's possible to interpret it very differently, peoples perceptions is their reality.

And I certainly care if the marketing is purposefully and harmfully misleading (the products are misrepresented), which in this case it absolutely is, Even if few people read it and base a purchase off it, it's still harmful to some extent, whether minor or major, to AMD's reputation that they did it, whether everyone decides to agree it is or not.

But perhaps we've both made our respective points and it's best left there.

 

[AusWolf]

Fantastic counter arguments to how I came to my conclusion folks, a question you both asked me. Misleading slides, confirmed.

The internet is a funny place to be sometimes

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You get misleading slides and/or info everywhere. Just browse in the TPU forum a bit and you'll see. Intel messed up their power and voltage levels on 14th gen i9, we called them out on that. Nvidia messed up the SFF designation with cards that are nowhere near SFF size, we called them out on that. AMD messed up the bullshit Ryzen AI naming, we called them out on that. It's not like any company is perfect, and they get called out on their idiocy equally. But these "new" 5000-series CPUs aren't something to be called out on, imo.

 

[wolf]

But these "new" 5000-series CPUs aren't something to be called out on, imo.

I agree on calling them all out every time it's misleading (as I also did with Nvidia SFF shenanigans recently)

But this? these slides are absolutely misleading, and if you have any rationale as to why it's not (aside from asserting few will see them), I'm all ears honestly. To me it's blatant.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

A Ford Fiesta has the same top speed as a Ferrari!*








*When tested on roads limited to 55mph.

 

[AusWolf]

I agree on calling them all out every time it's misleading (as I also did with Nvidia SFF shenanigans recently)

But this? these slides are absolutely misleading, and if you have any rationale as to why it's not (aside from asserting few will see them), I'm all ears honestly. To me it's blatant.

I'm not saying they're not misleading. I'm just saying that it's not important. All marketing slides are misleading. That's why they're called marketing slides and not review data.

 

[wolf]

I'm not saying they're not misleading. I'm just saying that it's not important. All marketing slides are misleading. That's why they're called marketing slides and not review data.

Well I guess I disagree there too, I find it's a big no bueno reputationally to be so egregiously and purposefully misleading, this goes beyond cherry picking best case scenario's which I'd expect of anyone and barely batt and eye at.

This is all a response to directly being asked "how did I come to this conclusion", so I'll wrap this up by just saying again that's how, you have my rationale as to how this damages the reputation and good will they work hard to portray.

You think it's not important, I do, end of discussion..?

 

[freeagent]

I might scoop one of these up if I can.

To me it looks like 16/32 boosting to 4950 out of the box, and with PBO you get the 5150 of the 5900X

 

[AusWolf]

Well I guess I disagree there too, I find it's a big no bueno reputationally to be so egregiously and purposefully misleading, this goes beyond cherry picking best case scenario's which I'd expect of anyone and barely batt and eye at.

This is all a response to directly being asked "how did I come to this conclusion", so I'll wrap this up by just saying again that's how, you have my rationale as to how this damages the reputation and good will they work hard to portray.

You think it's not important, I do, end of discussion..?

If you think it's important, then you must think that all companies are scumbags, as they all cherry pick their marketing data, which is not a nice mindset to be in as a tech enthusiast. But you do you, I guess.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

I might scoop one of these up if I can.

To me it looks like 16/32 boosting to 4950 out of the box, and with PBO you get the 5150 of the 5900X

Just be aware that these couldn't cut it as a 5950x so PBO may be no bueno. Same with CO. Aren't the 5950x the same price up there?

 

[wolf]

If you think it's important, then you must think that all companies are scumbags, as they all cherry pick their marketing data, which is not a nice mindset to be in as a tech enthusiast. But you do you, I guess.

Yeep I pretty much do, to varying degrees they all try their handiest to layer on the bullshit to convince people their products are what you want.

Everyone can make the individual determination on how much they stretch the truth, dangle the carrot etc and whether the product is for you.

I just call out what I see, and this one strikes as particularly bad, showing off a CPU when the scenario is GPU bound, from the company that people seem to love to defend for free. I don't need you to admit it for it to be true, and the reluctance to and to like other posts speaks volumes to me about bias, you even reacted to another one which paraphrases the same thing (below), so maybe it's just because it's me.

Hey look these CPU's are just as fast as undeniably faster ones when you shift the bottleneck away from the CPU entirely!

I think @Super Firm Tofu said it best.

A Ford Fiesta has the same top speed as a Ferrari!*








*When tested on roads limited to 55mph.

Spot on.

 

[freeagent]

Just be aware that these couldn't cut it as a 5950x so PBO may be no bueno. Same with CO. Aren't the 5950x the same price up there?

Are you sure about that?

These have more cache.. I bet they are binned nice. My 3600XT smoked most 3600s..

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

Are you sure about that?

These have more cache.. I bet they are binned nice. My 3600XT smoked most 3600s..

Yep. The 5900XT is a 5950x with lower clocks, more cache than the 5900x because it has the two extra cores enabled on each CCD. For whatever reason they chose to call this a 5900XT instead of a 5950 (non-X).

The 5800XT is actually a faster clocked 5800X.

 

[AusWolf]

Yeep I pretty much do, to varying degrees they all try their handiest to layer on the bullshit to convince people their products are what you want.

Everyone can make the individual determination on how much they stretch the truth, dangle the carrot etc and whether the product is for you.

I just call out what I see, and this one strikes as particularly bad, showing off a CPU when the scenario is GPU bound, from the company that people seem to love to defend for free. I don't need you to admit it for it to be true, and the reluctance to and to like other posts speaks volumes to me about bias, you even reacted to another one which paraphrases the same thing (below), so maybe it's just because it's me.

Hey look these CPU's are just as fast as undeniably faster ones when you shift the bottleneck away from the CPU entirely!

I think @Super Firm Tofu said it best.

Spot on.

I liked that post because it shows how ridiculous that slide is in a funny way. You know, just because you're presented with some marketing bullshit that doesn't make any sense doesn't mean you have to be salty about it.

 

[wolf]

I liked that post because it shows how ridiculous that slide is in a funny way. You know, just because you're presented with some marketing bullshit that doesn't make any sense doesn't mean you have to be salty about it.

It's important to me that I call out what I find to be egregiously misleading/misrepresenting products, this ones a doozey, and less important but doubling amusing to demonstrate the ironic side given how tech enthusiasts across the internet react to AMD criticism, yes, I do enjoy a bit of irony and meming. On the same token, just because you like AMD doesn't mean you have to downplay and/or excuse away something shitty they've done, it's still shitty. You can call it what you want, I responded because you asked, you have your answer.

 

[Ayhamb99]

How do you not understand this? We're not talking about physics. We're talking about CPU upgrade model parts.

Why would someone choose the 5900 XT for an upgrade if the 5950X is priced exactly the same as the MSRP of the XT........

 

[lexluthermiester]

Why would someone choose the 5900 XT for an upgrade if the 5950X is priced exactly the same as the MSRP of the XT........

Maybe because it's not the same price? You need to learn how to read...

The 16-core 5900XT comes with a maximum boost frequency of 4.80 GHz, which is 100 MHz less than that of the 5950X. It has the same 105 W TDP, and a significantly lower $360 price.

Yup, that's what the article says..

So, let's review: 5900XT is a step up from the 5900X with the same number of cores/threads as the 5950X but a lower price. Seems like a winner to me.

 

[JustBenching]

Maybe because it's not the same price? You need to learn how to read...

Yup, that's what the article says..

So, let's review: 5900XT is a step up from the 5900X with the same number of cores/threads as the 5950X but a lower price. Seems like a winner to me.

You can buy a 5950x right now, as we speak, for 300 to 330 from various retailers in EU. The 5900xt will probably end up being more expensive, at least for the first few weeks.

 

[68Olds]

The 16-core 5900XT comes with a maximum boost frequency of 4.80 GHz, which is 100 MHz less than that of the 5950X. It has the same 105 W TDP, and a significantly lower $360 price.

Maybe because it's not the same price?

You are correct, they are not the same price. If you shop at the right place the 5950X is actually cheaper. It is currently $349.99 at Microcenter.

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X Vermeer 3.4GHz 16-Core AM4 Boxed Processor - Heatsink Not Included - Micro Center

Get it now! Get the high-speed gaming performance of the world's best desktop processor. Encode faster. Render faster. Iterate faster. Create more, faster with AMD Ryzen processor.

www.microcenter.com

If I wanted a 5900XT I would watch MC's prices & wait for it to drop closer to the price of a 5900X. It will land in the middle at some point.

 

[Ayhamb99]

Maybe because it's not the same price? You need to learn how to read...

Mate take a look at current prices for the 5950x...............

 

[lexluthermiester]

You can buy a 5950x right now, as we speak, for 300 to 330 from various retailers in EU. The 5900xt will probably end up being more expensive, at least for the first few weeks.

You are correct, they are not the same price. If you shop at the right place the 5950X is actually cheaper. It is currently $349.99 at Microcenter.

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X Vermeer 3.4GHz 16-Core AM4 Boxed Processor - Heatsink Not Included - Micro Center

Get it now! Get the high-speed gaming performance of the world's best desktop processor. Encode faster. Render faster. Iterate faster. Create more, faster with AMD Ryzen processor.

www.microcenter.com

If I wanted a 5900XT I would watch MC's prices & wait for it to drop closer to the price of a 5900X. It will land in the middle at some point.

Mate take a look at current prices for the 5950x...............

Guy's take a step back and use sense. Do you honestly think AMD is going to price their brand new CPU models at a HIGHER price than the existing models with higher specs? The MSRP of the 5950X is HIGHER than the stated MSRP of the 5900XT. Actual market prices are different. Seriously, how is this difficult to understand?

 

[Ayhamb99]

Guy's take a step back and use sense. Do you honestly think AMD is going to price their brand new CPU models at a HIGHER price than the existing models with higher specs? The MSRP of the 5950X is HIGHER than the stated MSRP of the 5900XT. Actual market prices are different. Seriously, how is this difficult to understand?

And how does that exactly change anything? Why should I be concerned with the 5950X's original launch price 3/4 years ago instead of current market prices?

If you're going to bring up the massive difference in MSRP between them, let me remind you that the 5950X came out as a flagship all the way back to 2020 in a totally different market state where AMD was the clear winner, hence the much higher MSRP.

 

[JustBenching]

Guy's take a step back and use sense. Do you honestly think AMD is going to price their brand new CPU models at a HIGHER price than the existing models with higher specs? The MSRP of the 5950X is HIGHER than the stated MSRP of the 5900XT. Actual market prices are different. Seriously, how is this difficult to understand?

Has happened before, and not too long ago.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Has happened before, and not too long ago.

No it hasn't..

And how does that exactly change anything?

If you have to ask that question, the proper answer would be meaningless to you.

So whatever, just carry on whining and buy whatever you want..

 

[AusWolf]

And how does that exactly change anything? Why should I be concerned with the 5950X's original launch price 3/4 years ago instead of current market prices?

If you're going to bring up the massive difference in MSRP between them, let me remind you that the 5950X came out as a flagship all the way back to 2020 in a totally different market state where AMD was the clear winner, hence the much higher MSRP.

With that logic, just go ahead and buy the 5950X now, and don't wait for the price of the 5900XT to stabilise. Supply and demand sorts these things out.