Legendary Overclocker KINGPIN Leaves EVGA and Joins PNY to Develop Next-Generation GPUs for Extreme OC

[Dr. Dro]

I can’t recall the last time a news article derailed this badly…. I would recommend this topic locked or remove some of the off-topic comments…. Holy cow

It's not even necessarily derailed, the individual discussed in the OP was a major figurehead at EVGA, once a prime NVIDIA AIB, and who had one of the best GPUs designs in the business as his namesake. It's natural that discussions surrounding high performance GPUs would occur.

It's really the brand loyalism that throws things off balance. But it's inevitable, it's what makes forums such as these what they are

 

[Godrilla]

Anyone else still using Precision X tool? Lol.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Anyone else still using Precision X tool? Lol.

Actually, yes, still works perfectly.

 

[Godrilla]

Actually, yes, still works perfectly.

Yeah same here. I prefer it to other tools personally, like Asus Oc tool, and MSI. I love the Boost and default dedicated toggle.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yeah same here. I prefer it to other tools personally, like Asus Oc tool, and MSI. I love the Boost and default dedicated toggle.

MSI Afterburner is still the best for general card controls, but for EVGA cards PrecisionX is boss!

 

[freeagent]

PNY makes good stuff. With a little hotrodding I think they will be as good as what he had out before..

 

[nguyen]

Let hope PNY bring out the good stuff soon, right now all PNY RTX4000 are the same price as Asus here, picking Asus Dual or TUF for the same price is a no brainer

 

[Godrilla]

Let hope PNY bring out the good stuff soon, right now all PNY RTX4000 are the same price as Asus here, picking Asus Dual or TUF for the same price is a no brainer

If they come up with a nice 2 slot 240 mm rad hybrid card like my 4090suprim liquid for the 5090 I might consider it.
With the amount of resources Kingpin said is needed just to come up with his card is crazy. 2+ added engineers and added components plus his cut. I wish he would make a Kingpin lite card for us non extreme overclockers or hopeful his engineering will trickle down to their other cards. Asus did assume EVGA's Kingpin role with their $3200 4090 Matrix platinum. Yes I agree if priced identical or even slightly higher Asus is the better option.
In my opinion PNY is better than Galax and even they have an extreme overclockers 4090 called Hall of fame.

 

[64K]

I just checked PNY prices here in the US on Amazon and they are less than the other brands including the PNY 4070 Super and 4080 Super. Especially the PNY 4090. It's $500 less than the ASUS Strix. Granted the Strix is better quality and has a superior cooler, but damn, $500 more? The customer reviews aren't quite as good as the competition on one PNY model though.

If Kingpin can come up with a better card and superior cooler then there's plenty of room for pricing against the probable pricing of the ASUS 5090 top end card.

 

[ty_ger]

So you avoided playing New World on that EVGA 3090? could have popped that cherry of a GPU LOL

EVGA explains why some of its RTX 3090s were blowing up in New World

It wasn't the fan controller after all but some flaky soldering.

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Fixing EVGA's 7 Figure Problem with FTW3 30 Series cards. - EVGA Forums

Hey all,I have had the unfortunate displeasure of dealing with 2 broken 3090 FTW3 Ultras, and upon the issue happening yet again with my 3rd card, I decided to do some deep trouble shooting. Let me lay out the experience for you.I enjoy playing older titles, as well as the newer AAA title...

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EVGA is the trashiest of brand

It wasn't bad soldering. It was the worst VRM allowed by NVIDIA pushed to the highest power limit allowed by NVIDIA which caused them to fail. As Buildzoid said, "should be better for $810". EVGA released a new, more costly revision, retired the old version, didn't charge more, and gave customers a special email address to request a replacement. Not out of the kindness of their heart. They knew it was a turd. And they knew that all the early batches didn't randomly have bad solder. They even admitted it in their forum when they later made contradictory claims about what caused the problem and what fixed the problem. The 3090 FTW3 Rev 0.1 were cost-cut turd video cards from a dying company taking its last breaths. At the same time EVGA was denying warranties for cosmetic scratches.
Those are not the things to remember the company by.

If Kingpin can come up with a better card and superior cooler then there's plenty of room for pricing against the probable pricing of the ASUS 5090 top end card.

Kingpin aint shit on his own. They better hire a good engineer, because that's what has held him up for the past decade.

 

[RH92]

The smartest thing AMD has done in the past 20 years is to cease trying to compete with Nvidia's flagships and concentrate the bulk of their their R&D money on the CPU division. The results are self-evident. They went from damn near bankrupt to very successful after that.

Yeah AMD CPU division went from near bankrupt to very successful but the key point is AMD just sacrificed their GPU division ( RADEON ) do achieve that ...

Anyway, very, very, very few gamers buy a flagship Nvidia GPU. It's irrelevant financially to AMD.

Are you sure about that ? I mean come on at some point people need to stop pretending as if facts don't prove otherwise .

You think NVIDIA makes high end GPUs for 10 people ? 4090 is literally more present in gaming systems than AMD last gen entry level ....

 

[64K]

Yeah AMD CPU division went from near bankrupt to very successful but the key point is AMD just sacrificed their GPU division ( RADEON ) do achieve that ...



Are you sure about that ? I mean come on at some point people need to stop pretending as if facts don't prove otherwise .

You think NVIDIA makes high end GPUs for 10 people ? 4090 is literally more present in gaming systems than AMD last gen entry level ....

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Your chart proves what I said. Less than 1% 4090 adoption. Comparing the 4090 adoption with AMD GPUs doesn't change the fact that the 4090 is being used by very, very, very few gamers. How is it possibly important to AMD to compete with with the Nvidia flagships?

The main reasons that AMD has such a small presence in mainstream gaming is due to Nvidia brand loyalty and their better handling of ray tracing. It has nothing to do with a lack of competition with Nvidia flagships. There has been an article here and elsewhere where AMD says that nextgen GPUs will be much better at handling ray tracing. We'll see if they are or not.

If AMD does offer significantly better ray tracing in mainstream GPUs then would you still say they sacrificed their GPU division.

And at the end of the day AMD is a business like all the others. They want profits. They went from losing hundreds of millions of dollars yearly and insurmountable debt to profitability by focusing on their CPU division. That is their success and obviously that is what they will stick to.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Your chart proves what I said. Less than 1% 4090 adoption. Comparing the 4090 adoption with AMD GPUs doesn't change the fact that the 4090 is being used by very, very, very few gamers. How is it possibly important to AMD to compete with with the Nvidia flagships?

The main reasons that AMD has such a small presence in mainstream gaming is due to Nvidia brand loyalty and their better handling of ray tracing. It has nothing to do with a lack of competition with Nvidia flagships. There has been an article here and elsewhere where AMD says that nextgen GPUs will be much better at handling ray tracing. We'll see if they are or not.

If AMD does offer significantly better ray tracing in mainstream GPUs then would you still say they sacrificed their GPU division.

And at the end of the day AMD is a business like all the others. They want profits. They went from losing hundreds of millions of dollars yearly and insurmountable debt to profitability by focusing on their CPU division. That is their success and obviously that is what they will stick to.

RT performance doesn't have nearly as much weight as you'd think, people buy Nvidia because it tends to work regardless of the situation or the software environment you're running on. It's a concise and solid experience, the hardware supports virtually all the trendy new things day one and it is much more stable.

But I can tell you this, the 4090 outsold all 4070 and 4080 models combined and also the entire AMD stack this generation top to bottom.

 

[RH92]

Your chart proves what I said. Less than 1% 4090 adoption. Comparing the 4090 adoption with AMD GPUs doesn't change the fact that the 4090 is being used by very, very, very few gamers. How is it possibly important to AMD to compete with with the Nvidia flagships?

You don't even realise what those numbers do represent !

First and foremost the most adopted GPU ( 3060 ) sits at 6% so 1% for an ultra high end GPU is HUGE. Secondly Steam counts 132 million monthly active users , so that 1% represents over 1,3M users ...

At an MRSP of 1600$ ( most 4090s sold way above that ) this represents a 2 billion revenue from the 4090 alone. AMD quarter revenue for gaming ( includes Radeon and console GPUs ) is less than a billion .... their entire data center quarter revenue ( includes Instinc GPUs and EPYC CPUs ) is 2.3 billion ... let that sink in.

Yet you sit here telling me than this type of revenue is chump change money for AMD ?

The main reasons that AMD has such a small presence in mainstream gaming is due to Nvidia brand loyalty and their better handling of ray tracing. It has nothing to do with a lack of competition with Nvidia flagships.

Hold on we went from ray tracing being a gimmick at best to ray tracing being the reason Radeon has been relegated to 10% market share ?

Come on, ray tracing has nothing to with this nor does brand loyalty .You are confusing brand loyalty with brand recongition. Pretty safe to say that mid-high end users have 0 brand loyalty they pay for whatever is best and this is where brand recognition comes to play . NVIDIA have made a name for themselves by being the reference in terms of performance and you only do that through flagship products such as the 4090, obviously this recognition trickles down to lower segments and the reason why halo products are important .

How did AMD gain market share in the CPU space , by pushing Intel untill they took away the performance crown from them or by handing Intel the performance crown on a silver platter ? You know the answer so yeah the strategy to gain market share is obvious and safe to say capitulation ain't it . Things will only get worse for Radeon following their current strategy !

 

[TiN]

What ever happened to Tin?

Just playing with my metrology hardware, writing articles to my xDevs site about it all and designing measurement equipment. It's more challenging and much less dramatic compared to consumer graphic cards

 

[ratirt]

I think it is a good move for Kingpin to try with PNY. I remember the Kingpin cards. Back in the day it was a dream to get one of those. nowadays the OC potential is hindered so it's more like enthusiasts and quality and/or cooler esthetics.

 

[K²mix]

Lol another toxic fanboy defending billion dollars company who happen to be the underdog.

Keep calling other people brainless fanboys and watch your beloved company lose even more .

I will take PNY gpu over EVGA any day
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Why don't you use the current data status?

On the topic: Let's see what it will be...
PNY's now self-developed graphics cards have not given such a good picture with the subsequently changed fan curve.
Unfortunately, the tech press didn't even take a closer look at the issue.

 

[nguyen]

Why don't you use the current data status?
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On the topic: Let's see what it will be...
PNY's now self-developed graphics cards have not given such a good picture with the subsequently changed fan curve.
Unfortunately, the tech press didn't even take a closer look at the issue.

EVGA is still selling video cards?

Looks pretty funny when all of AMD's exclusive partners are all at the bottom of the chart, and then there is Intel

 

[lexluthermiester]

Kingpin aint shit on his own.

Um, Kingpin was a thing BEFORE the EVGA partnership. His brand remains a thing. The PNY partnership is for mutual benefit, not out of necessity. You couldn't be more wrong on that point.

 

[ty_ger]

Um, Kingpin was a thing BEFORE the EVGA partnership. His brand remains a thing. The PNY partnership is for mutual benefit, not out of necessity. You couldn't be more wrong on that point.

See? You're talking brand. I agree he is a brand. But he isn't racing with garbage. And the stuff he races isn't designed by him. He might have some user requests and stylistic choices, but that's pretty much the extent of it. Give him garbage, and the result is garbage. He knows how to mount a pot on it, insulate it, control thermals, and request a conducive design, but he doesn't know anything about making it or designing a way to control it. They need a good engineer to back up his brand announcement. I hope they have it. I'm not saying that PNY is garbage, but pretending it was, there's nothing Kingpin knows on his own to turn it into anything special.
Overrated.

 

[lexluthermiester]

See? You're talking brand. I agree he is a brand. But he isn't racing with garbage. And the stuff he races isn't designed by him. He might have some user requests and stylistic choices, but that's pretty much the extent of it. Give him garbage, and the result is garbage. He knows how to mount a pot on it, insulate it, control thermals, and request a conducive design, but he doesn't know anything about making it or designing a way to control it. They need a good engineer to back up his brand announcement. I hope they have it. I'm not saying that PNY is garbage, but pretending it was, there's nothing Kingpin knows on his own to turn it into anything special.
Overrated.

Come on, you know better than this silliness.