Intel Will Not Recall Failing 13th and 14th Gen CPUs

[ironwolf]

mmm. well i think the 12700k may be my last Intel CPU. If this is how they treat customers, i'm happy to jump on the red camp.

12600K here. And yeah, this entire FIASCO/FUBAR/BOHICA has left a sour taste on my mind. I am not glad I didn't go 12/14th gen. AMD will very much be my next upgrade path.

 

[ADB1979]

"Intel will not issue a recall for its failing 13th and 14th gen CPUs"......... yet... They will when they have a solid plan in place to replace all of these CPU's, home built in desktops at home, OEMs at home and work, servers and laptops. They need to build some of this in secret and when the cat is let out of the bag they will announce their plan for a recall, but first that involves producing an entire new line of chips that just so happen to be slightly better (and drastically modified) but ultimately the same because they are ultimately drop in compatible reformation of the same chips, and they are about to be produced, it seems to me that the reason is that they know they have to do a recall but doing it too early is counter productive for the vast majority of consumers, and is certainly bad for Intel, and at this point the best thing to do is to tell the truth, and It could be argued that Intel is doing better because they are not causing undue panic amongst the public, but in reality it is to counter this failure in the public eye and come out of this as well as possible.!

 

[ThomasK]

They are handling it the best way possible.

Yeah, sure, have your kool aid.

 

[silentbogo]

The worst thing of all is that Intel still refuses to admit that laptop SKUs are also affected, even though There were quite a few reports from various tech and repair channels dating as far as few months back that 13th and 14th gen i7s and i9s are also dying, and recently Alderon Games published their findings which also mention laptops.
That might affect quite a bit more people.

Another thing to note, is that regardless of the "official" claims, i5's are also dying, just not as frequently.

And as a cautionary tale:
Just a few days ago my friend brought over a handful of 13th gen CPUs from his work "to test them out". All were defective, and amongst the bunch at least half were i5-13600K/KF. Apparently their workshop was totally oblivious to the recent Intel news (or were too busy watching tiktok). Basically they bought a bulk lot as "OEM tray" variant for relatively cheap, hoping to build few cheap gaming PCs.... but unfortunately got scammed. All of them were BSODing like crazy, few didn't even POST. Had to look ve-e-e-ery close to find slight signs of use. These were likely RMA writeoffs that made their way to some filthy scammer.
So, guys, be even more super-extra careful while buying used 13/14th gen CPUs.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

The worst thing of all is that Intel still refuses to admit that laptop SKUs are also affected, even though There were quite a few reports from various tech and repair channels dating as far as few months back that 13th and 14th gen i7s and i9s are also dying, and recently Alderon Games published their findings which also mention laptops.
That might affect quite a bit more people.

Another thing to note, is that regardless of the "official" claims, i5's are also dying, just not as frequently.

And as a cautionary tale:
Just a few days ago my friend brought over a handful of 13th gen CPUs from his work "to test them out". All were defective, and amongst the bunch at least half were i5-13600K/KF. Apparently their workshop was totally oblivious to the recent Intel news (or were too busy watching tiktok). Basically they bought a bulk lot as "OEM tray" variant for relatively cheap, hoping to build few cheap gaming PCs.... but unfortunately got scammed. All of them were BSODing like crazy, few didn't even POST. Had to look ve-e-e-ery close to find slight signs of use. These were likely RMA writeoffs that made their way to some filthy scammer.
So, guys, be even more super-extra careful while buying used 13/14th gen CPUs.

That's awful.

The prices of 12th gen will go up imo.

 

[Klemc]

Sincerely :

 

[JustBenching]

Yeah, sure, have your kool aid.

What more would you recommend? What can they possibly do other than honor the RMA like they are?

 

[P4-630]

The CPU is very dangerous

Who knows, the CPU might kill you right?.

 

[Klemc]

Who knows, the CPU might kill you right?.

It's more bc UE and others engines/dev have been announced by Intel being faulty themselfs (not knowing coding), then it's vengeance.

 

[remixedcat]

Who knows, the CPU might kill you right?.

Or worse...

 

[Jism]

This is not going to happen. If anything, an undervolt may slightly increase performance, especially on Core i9, as the formula for eTVB is essentially lower volts = lower watts = lower heat = higher clocks



Yes. Every SKU. Intel claims "65 W and up" on consumer-facing material, but there's evidence the T-series (35W spec) SKUs are also affected. If you wanna double on being safe, go on your BIOS and set a negative core voltage offset of something like -0.050. Should be enough to keep it safe until this blows over and likely won't be an unstable undervolt.

Intel should in the first place release a solid product. You know one that is guaranteed to work for at least the next 20 years.

By undervolting your doing them a favor.

 

[Sound_Card]

What do you think the resell value is of your 13700k now after the news?

 

[ThomasK]

What more would you recommend? What can they possibly do other than honor the RMA like they are?

One could recommend Intel not to start addressing the subject with a reddit post.

So much for the sake of its die-hard loyal customers.

 

[noel_fs]

unlucky 6ghz

 

[Psinet]

It is sad and astonishing that people did not see this coming - Intel have been incrementally screwing users for a very long time now.

AMD have been using this fact to gain market share. Longer platform lives, good architecture decisions - not using power draw to gain benchmark points.

This is just a natural outcome and many of us saw it coming for a long time.

I am not an AMD "fan boy" - I am anti Intel's revolting business practices.

 

[InVasMani]

How unsurprising more victim blaming.

 

[Sunny and 75]

As I have opined many times; They let the wrong people go during those mass layoffs. Chased others away by canceling merit raises, halving 401K contribution, etc. Chickens are coming home to roost. I don't see any way they don't take a major L on this. They haven't even given a South Park BP oil "We're sorry". Wrong people are heading this up in legal and marketing IMO.

And roost they shall.

Now, Intel should stop going further astray and improve, or there will be stagnation all over again.

Arctic has set an example for Intel to learn:

We sincerely apologise for this mistake and will do everything to make amends. Our customers and their trust in us are of utmost importance to ARCTIC

That's how you win your customers' hearts. That's exactly how.

Sure you can, just keep applying due diligence and common sense. Intel's ever increasing peak power shenanigans were a big fat multi-gen writing on the wall. Not saying people should have known better but frankly where there's smoke and many generations of trickery around way overpowered cores... there's bound to be an eventual fire.

We are seeing a lot of this lately imho. Hot chips, limits being stretched and shitty power connector updates are all more of the same to me. They are frantic attempts to escape the reality shit wont keep scaling as it used to. Efficiency out of the box is key. Its the whole reason Nvidia won the GPU war so far and AMD now wins the CPU war.

For sure.

This is the price people pay when they want latest and greatest,technically you pay for the privilege to be a test pilot...my moto always buy a generation behind the latest one no matter the product.

Yeah, sometimes the bleeding edge of technology leaves you bleeding on the edge of insanity.

Lawsuit Lake

XD!

"Don’t tell me 'cause it hertz,
My CPU’s got quirks,
Running hot, it’s a fight,
In the middle of the night."

XD!

 

[Dr. Dro]

Sincerely :

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That dev is such a drama queen...

 

[Sunny and 75]

Beside the already damaged CPUs, the micro code update most likely will reduce the performance of every existing Raptor Lake well bellow what was advertised in the reviews

A re-review is called for, then.

What a peeeeep (beeping sound) show...

Exactly...

I'm sure they don't want to happen this again with their next gen CPU's.

You never know. Only time will tell. They can't just let go of benchmarks though, they MUST appear faster than AMD's offerings even if it's just by (less than) 1% at any cost.

They do not want another 7800X3D situation. They cannot afford their shiny new Core Ultra 9 285K (not official naming) to be beaten by the upcoming 9800X3D (with improved V Cache, mind you).

We truly need both of them strong for a thriving CPU market.

 

[Sora]

Of course the microcode resides in the CPU, it's been like that for years now. Yes, it's installed via a UEFI/BIOS update, but the microcode resides in a small piece of flash inside the CPU.

It's not flash, its an etched rom and requires updating the processor stepping to alter.

Have clarified the original post.

 

[JustBenching]

One could recommend Intel not to start addressing the subject with a reddit post.

So much for the sake of its die-hard loyal customers.

Yeah, that would fix the issues better than RMAing...

It is sad and astonishing that people did not see this coming - Intel have been incrementally screwing users for a very long time now.

AMD have been using this fact to gain market share. Longer platform lives, good architecture decisions - not using power draw to gain benchmark points.

This is just a natural outcome and many of us saw it coming for a long time.

I am not an AMD "fan boy" - I am anti Intel's revolting business practices.

A natural outcome of what? You realize this issue exists even on 35w parts (depends on which rumor you want to listen to I guess). Are 35 and 65w parts using power to gain benchmark points? Come on, we all love bashing intel for no reason whatsoever but lets stick to facts - at least until the situation resolves - then we can go back to the usual intel bashing. For now lets try to keep it clean so people concerned can get accurate data.

 

[john_]

Sincerely :

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Is this screen for real or is it a joke?

 

[Klemc]

Is this screen for real or is it a joke?

Looks like true legit :

Intel Will Not Recall Failing 13th and 14th Gen CPUs

Somewhere I've read that even some non-K CPU are affected. Is that true? You can check the linked source, in the article it is mentioned that all 65W and up chips are affected. 13th and 14th gen of course. (It's also mentioned in this post @ TPU lol)

www.techpowerup.com

Yes, it's insulting, like telling your piece of shit is biohazardy.

BUT Intel started with dev by telling to entire world they don't know how to codde for their CPU correctly, since a few months now. That's some thing that needed vengeance.

Also having shitted CPU while developing on UE-5 could well make the work harder, finally... lost of time... never fixed bugs...

 

[Sunny and 75]

And as a cautionary tale:
Just a few days ago my friend brought over a handful of 13th gen CPUs from his work "to test them out". All were defective, and amongst the bunch at least half were i5-13600K/KF. Apparently their workshop was totally oblivious to the recent Intel news (or were too busy watching tiktok). Basically they bought a bulk lot as "OEM tray" variant for relatively cheap, hoping to build few cheap gaming PCs.... but unfortunately got scammed. All of them were BSODing like crazy, few didn't even POST. Had to look ve-e-e-ery close to find slight signs of use. These were likely RMA writeoffs that made their way to some filthy scammer.
So, guys, be even more super-extra careful while buying used 13/14th gen CPUs.

Thanks for the heads-up, much appreciated.

 

[john_]

Looks like true legit :

WOW!!!!! This is way too much. I could understand a message saying "Intel CPUs are unstable with UE5 and could crush the system, so save any unfinished work before continuing", but saying "Shut down your PC immediately"? Just WOW!!!! People with no tech experience could panicking seeing this message.

Someone is very very angry at Intel and I can understand them, having to deal for months with problems and bugs in the UE5 engine that in the end weren't problems and bugs of the UE5 engine. I bet people have spend a huge number of work hour and lost many nights of good night sleep to troubleshoot what in the end is Intel's failure.