Intel Will Not Recall Failing 13th and 14th Gen CPUs

[Daven]

Just chill out. Relax. We get it, Intel bad.

Again, no one needs to chill out except users that only buy Intel no matter what.

I agree. That's why I go intel. Usecase matters.

And again. Intel chips are not more efficient than AMD chips. Its the opposite as many, many, many people have tried to explain to you so many times. This is why no one here needs to chill. We are not the ones who are affected as we are free to buy any company products.

 

[Klemc]

Again, no one needs to chill out except users that only buy Intel no matter what.


And again. Intel chips are not more efficient than AMD chips. Its the opposite as many, many, many people have tried to explain to you so many times. This is why no one here needs to chill. We are not the ones who are affected as we are free to buy any company products.

Let go, he just forgot somebody at his house works at the electricity furnisher giving 75% off on electricity bill each month (like my uncle).

 

[thesmokingman]

Again, no one needs to chill out except users that only buy Intel no matter what.


And again. Intel chips are not more efficient than AMD chips. Its the opposite as many, many, many people have tried to explain to you so many times. This is why no one here needs to chill. We are not the ones who are affected as we are free to buy any company products.

Why do you keep feeding the troll?

 

[Vayra86]

I agree. That's why I go intel. Usecase matters. 99% of the time my PC is used as a streaming device for gaming or media to other screens / tvs / monitors / handhelds etc, or basic productivity tasks like browsers / excels / spreadsheets etc. Intel chips can do these while drawing minimal power (at or below a couple of watts).

And though I get the whole "600 watts under blender", fact of the matter is for the midrange you won't find more efficient cpus at same power, simply because noone else packs that many cores in mid range. When you buy your x3d just go compare it to a similarly priced intel chip - cap them both at the same power and do your blender cinebench or what have you runs. I guarantee intel will be way cooler (with that same 40$ aircooler) and faster.

Which is why im still buying Intel, and ill keep buying it after whatever this is. Problem is, we don't really know what this is. Some claim a 3 to 7% failure rate, other's 100%. I think knowing the actual number makes a whole lot of difference.

Mid range cpu and many core requirements dont quite line up. Even a 6c12t is already comfy midrange in terms of performance requirements. Perhaps not for you, but then you simply have a pretty twisted notion if what mid range requirements ought to be. You're a power user and the few watts saved on Intel barely even make a sliver of a difference. Cinebench is utterly irrelevant in this segment. Neither are Intels >16 thread CPUs. Its just the way Intel positioned its stack. It says zero about 'requirements', its just what they try to sell you.

 

[Am*]

Intel are finished after this. If they can't produce a fully functional CPU using their own fabs and their own rehashed design (which are already embarrassingly bad compared to AMD's offerings, especially in power consumption), which sane customer is going to pick Intel's fabs over TSMC or even Samsung for producing anything high end or flagship again (where Intel can't possibly compete on cost, volume or yields anyway)?

I have no doubt the big chiefs at Intel have done the calculations that it's cheaper to burn a few million suckers who bought these chips than to do a recall, but the damage caused by this response is going to be irreparable. Intel will be crowned "AMD salesman of the year" by Q4 this year. Glad I held out on buying a 13th gen mini PC that I was eyeing up for the past few weeks and went with the much cheaper N100 instead.

 

[Klemc]

Intel are finished after this. If they can't produce a fully functional CPU using their own fabs and their own rehashed design (which are already embarrassingly bad compared to AMD's offerings, especially in power consumption), which sane customer is going to pick Intel's fabs over TSMC or even Samsung for producing anything high end or flagship again (where Intel can't possibly compete on cost, volume or yields anyway)?

I have no doubt the big chiefs at Intel have done the calculations that it's cheaper to burn a few million suckers who bought these chips than to do a recall, but the damage caused by this response is going to be irreparable. Intel will be crowned "AMD salesman of the year" by Q4 this year. Glad I held out on buying a 13th gen mini PC that I was eyeing up for the past few weeks and went with the much cheaper N100 instead.

Like the Terminator, they will be back, 2025 Intel is back 100%.

 

[Am*]

Like the Terminator, they will be back, 2025 Intel is back 100%.

Hopefully without any dead whistleblowers like Boeing.

 

[Sunny and 75]

not launched yet and Intel can fix it in hardware before release

All will be revealed in Q3 2025.

The only ones needing to take a deep breath are users that will only buy Intel no matter what. The rest of us are just fine as we can pick different solutions based on the current situation and our needs. I have an AMD desktop and laptop. My wife has an M3 MBA. Why do I and any other AMD, Apple, Qualcomm, etc. user need to take a deep breath?

Edit: Oh and in the future, if AMD has massive QC problems and Intel doesn't, I'll just switch back to Intel if I still need an x86 solution because 'obvious things are obvious'.

The same.

Well maybe stop telling people that you will not buy from supposed 'unethical' companies because they broke a promise to support certain CPUs in the BIOS but then decide to honor that promise a few (weeks/months?) later. It is really hard to understand someone's motivations if that someone continues to move the goal posts randomly at times and changes the entire game at other times.

Let's all agree that massively reported stability problems is a big f'ing deal. Bad business tactics due to poor decisions is not great but forgiven if the company changes course and we would all have to live on a small island inside a hut to 100% avoid bad business tactics.

Couldn't agree more.

And that's what many of us are doing with regards to Intel. Many of us are avoiding them due to bad products, anti-trust decisions, bad business decisions, constant delays, poor quality control, etc. And if those are not some of the reasons, many of us are choosing AMD because of better gaming performance, lower power usage at HIGHER performance levels (don't need to hear about ISO), better iGPU, AVX512 performance, etc.

We all have our reasons. No one here needs to breath. We come to TPU to read about the good and the bad and right now TPU is doing well by our community by notifying us of potential long-term quality and stability problems caused by Intel pushing their CPU beyond their limits. Some of us don't have the luxury of building a new computer in a short amount of time due to money. So knowing if a computer part will fail after a certain time frame is very, very important to us.

Spoken like a true enthusiast.

Im a strong believer in the idea that efficiency is king.

I'm a believer too.

In efficiency we trust.

Let go, he just forgot somebody at his house works at the electricity furnisher giving 75% off on electricity bill each month (like my uncle).

XD!

Intel are finished after this.

ARL has yet to be released.

"AMD salesman of the year"

XD!

 

[remixedcat]

Mid range cpu and many core requirements dont quite line up. Even a 6c12t is already comfy midrange in terms of performance requirements. Perhaps not for you, but then you simply have a pretty twisted notion if what mid range requirements ought to be. You're a power user and the few watts saved on Intel barely even make a sliver of a difference. Cinebench is utterly irrelevant in this segment. Neither are Intels >16 thread CPUs. Its just the way Intel positioned its stack. It says zero about 'requirements', its just what they try to sell you.

music production pushes CPUs more than anything and I'm happy w my xeon (8c16t) on my precision t3600, my ryzen 5700u(8c16t) in this inspiron 3525, my i5 8th (4c8t) in my latitude 5400, the i5 10th (4c8t) in my precision 3550.

 

[Klemc]

Worse, it now appears that the crashing issue is also affecting all 65W and higher CPUs as well as the mainstream non-K models alongside their K/KF/KS variants.

So, at least 25-50% are kill, if not more... and only the remainder will last, gamers are those that care the less, they upgrade often anyway.

Intel's crashing CPU crisis deepens as more models are affected than originally thought

The news coming out of Intel about its crashing 13th- and 14th-generation CPUs is not getting any better, even after they said they had finally "solved" the...

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[95Viper]

The topic is: "Intel Will Not Recall Failing 13th and 14th Gen CPUs"
Stick to the topic.
Stop the thread cra**ing.
This is a tech site, and, not the comedy club... Post nonsense in GN.

 

[InVasMani]

The only real question is how the situation looks by the time microcode mitigations to the problem arrive and what kind of irreparable damage may have already occurred to people's hardware. I remember seeing very flaky wattage spike readings in AIDA64 when I first got my 14700K that was concerning. Like higher than my new PSU I bought for my new system that should've been overkill which is bit alarming.

The PSU should be fine given circuit protection and I'm can handle some wattage spikes fine I'm sure, but it still doesn't seem like it should've had wattage spikes well north of 1000w with just a 14700K paired with 140w power limited undervolted GTX980.

Some of that I'm sure was a mixture of poor MB defaults from Asus, but I don't believe it was all attributed to that alone. One thing I didn't see W1zzard test was the transients and wonder what those tests would end up showing relative to other CPU's. It would probably shed a lot of light on the overall situation.

 

[ratirt]

I'm pretty sure the microcode mitigation will do nothing to the chips that are still functioning OK for the time being and they will degrade anyway. I sincerely doubt that will fix anything. Intel is stalling. buying time for the new release. I only pity all those user who have purchased Intel 13th and 14th gen CPUs and platforms. They are stuck with the platform now. No CPU replacement for something without the problem to keep the performance they wanted. Platform is basically dead since the new Intel chips wont work with it. I assume, the new Intel CPUs wont have that problem but it is Intel so who can tell.

 

[LittleBro]

Regarding the potential ringbus problem, do you think that it might that be a reason for Intel to skip HT on Arrow Lake and e-cores on Bartlett Lake? Also reason for no e-cores present in just now released 14000E for embedded applications?

News posts from February 2024 say that Bartlett Lake should be thought of as a kind of an extension of Raptor Lake. It somehow points to me to a fact that the ringbus problem and skipping e-cores on upcoming generation are connected. MLID's source states that Intel was aware of the problem already at Alder Lake, as mentioned in this article. The voltage on the rail was not pushed as far with Alder Lake so it endured and the problem emerged when Intel tried to push the clocks to 6 GHz (and beyond). That'd be plausible theory for i9s and maybe i7s and upper tier i5s. Intel stated that 65W i5s are also affected. Is there any known case of i5-14600 (without K) being instable?

 

[Sunny and 75]

Only ARL can save Intel at this point.

 

[ToxicTaZ]

How are there so meany of you having problems??

Why would Intel do a recall if there not a problem with hardware at the moment it's all speculation without facts. Somehow bad Micro Code Bios made it into your systems affecting your voltage, now you need your manufacturer August Bios update with the new Intel Micro Code update fix. If I were you and you had a real instability situation I would not use any software that pushes your CPU%, example Prime95 or Benchmark programs Etc could damage your CPU if you didn't know what your doing.

People in the computer world are as bad as the political world unreal. As per-Intel statement as the oxidizing of some 13th gen in Q4 2022 is reserved.

I have no issues with my 14900KS on MSI MEG Z790 ACE MAX motherboard with Bios 7D86vA3 no issues yet!...Cooled By MSI MEG CORELIQUID S360 at the moment.

I'll update from Bios 7D86vA3 to August Bios 7D86vA4 with New Intel Micro Code fix in the coming weeks.

I don't use Beta Bios
I don't use Intel APO software
I don't Auto Overclocking
I don't remove power limits

This bad Micro Code issues thing started about the same time as Intel made APO backwards compatibility support other than 14th gen. All the APO supported CPUs on the list are the same CPUs with possible Micro Code issues.. Just saying...what's the chances??

Cheers

 

[Eskimonster]

I´ts not like this is on any mainstream media much. I don´t see Intel getting in trouble over this. YET

 

[Dr. Dro]

How are there so meany of you having problems??

Why would Intel do a recall if there not a problem with hardware at the moment it's all speculation without facts. Somehow bad Micro Code Bios made it into your systems affecting your voltage, now you need your manufacturer August Bios update with the new Intel Micro Code update fix. If I were you and you had a real instability situation I would not use any software that pushes your CPU%, example Prime95 or Benchmark programs Etc could damage your CPU if you didn't know what your doing.

People in the computer world are as bad as the political world unreal. As per-Intel statement as the oxidizing of some 13th gen in Q4 2022 is reserved.

I have no issues with my 14900KS on MSI MEG Z790 ACE MAX motherboard with Bios 7D86vA3 no issues yet!...Cooled By MSI MEG CORELIQUID S360 at the moment.

I'll update from Bios 7D86vA3 to August Bios 7D86vA4 with New Intel Micro Code fix in the coming weeks.

I don't use Beta Bios
I don't use Intel APO software
I don't Auto Overclocking
I don't remove power limits

This bad Micro Code issues thing started about the same time as Intel made APO backwards compatibility support other than 14th gen. All the APO supported CPUs on the list are the same CPUs with possible Micro Code issues.. Just saying...what's the chances??

Cheers

You also have:

- The most hilariously exclusive and expensive CPU ever released for this socket (and this is coming from another KS owner, one that if you recall, never believed Intel would go forward with a 14th KS at all)
- A revised and updated version of one of the most hilariously exclusive and expensive motherboards ever released, complete with maximum priority BIOS support
- You're running it stock, on default power limits on an extremely expensive AIO, at that point, why even bother, and it's not like I'm doing anything way out of that league myself - this is coming from another fool that bought an Apex Encore to run his own KS on air cooling, and only because my MEG Z690 ACE kicked the bucket

It wasn't the APO thing that broke this, it has been reported to occur for a long time but this caused an accelerated degradation of the CPUs now that the earlier models are about 2 years old and this problem was exacerbated by the fact that 14th gen CPUs simply come from the factory with irresponsible core clocks that push the silicon to the very extreme, this is especially true for the i9-14900KS

We're really not ones to talk about not having problems with such extreme gear, boards with VRMs that are perfectly capable of handling 10 of these CPUs at their limit spec, full tilt, while running such mild settings after all. The simple fact we have such extreme caliber machines will cushion all the problems we've had - if not make our CPUs die out faster if you let them loose. Neither of us did, and neither of our CPUs malfunctioned

 

[JustBenching]

You also have:

- The most hilariously exclusive and expensive CPU ever released for this socket (and this is coming from another KS owner, one that if you recall, never believed Intel would go forward with a 14th KS at all)
- A revised and updated version of one of the most hilariously exclusive and expensive motherboards ever released, complete with maximum priority BIOS support
- You're running it stock, on default power limits on an extremely expensive AIO, at that point, why even bother, and it's not like I'm doing anything way out of that league myself - this is coming from another fool that bought an Apex Encore to run his own KS on air cooling, and only because my MEG Z690 ACE kicked the bucket

It wasn't the APO thing that broke this, it has been reported to occur for a long time but this caused an accelerated degradation of the CPUs now that the earlier models are about 2 years old and this problem was exacerbated by the fact that 14th gen CPUs simply come from the factory with irresponsible core clocks that push the silicon to the very extreme, this is especially true for the i9-14900KS

We're really not ones to talk about not having problems with such extreme gear, boards with VRMs that are perfectly capable of handling 10 of these CPUs at their limit spec, full tilt, while running such mild settings after all. The simple fact we have such extreme caliber machines will cushion all the problems we've had - if not make our CPUs die out faster if you let them loose. Neither of us did, and neither of our CPUs malfunctioned

I had both a 13900k and a 14900k on a single tower air cooler. Still no issue. Although tbf, I also have a high end mobo with better than average VRMs.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I had both a 13900k and a 14900k on a single tower air cooler. Still no issue. Although tbf, I also have a high end mobo with better than average VRMs.

We know how to operate our chips, we're doing it on adequate gear, either the limit or our own undervolts saved our CPU's bacon. I plan on buying Bartlett if that does come to release, hopefully it does, so I'm not *too* concerned, worst case scenario if my CPU begins to act funny, once enthusiasts moved up to Arrow Lake I can try to score a 14900KS cheaper than usual, but y'know

 

[AccroG33k]

How are there so meany of you having problems??

Why would Intel do a recall if there not a problem with hardware at the moment it's all speculation without facts. Somehow bad Micro Code Bios made it into your systems affecting your voltage, now you need your manufacturer August Bios update with the new Intel Micro Code update fix. If I were you and you had a real instability situation I would not use any software that pushes your CPU%, example Prime95 or Benchmark programs Etc could damage your CPU if you didn't know what your doing.

People in the computer world are as bad as the political world unreal. As per-Intel statement as the oxidizing of some 13th gen in Q4 2022 is reserved.

I have no issues with my 14900KS on MSI MEG Z790 ACE MAX motherboard with Bios 7D86vA3 no issues yet!...Cooled By MSI MEG CORELIQUID S360 at the moment.

I'll update from Bios 7D86vA3 to August Bios 7D86vA4 with New Intel Micro Code fix in the coming weeks.

I don't use Beta Bios
I don't use Intel APO software
I don't Auto Overclocking
I don't remove power limits

This bad Micro Code issues thing started about the same time as Intel made APO backwards compatibility support other than 14th gen. All the APO supported CPUs on the list are the same CPUs with possible Micro Code issues.. Just saying...what's the chances??

Cheers

Because of the OEMs and the (very) bad reputation intel is getting right now to these big customers.

Just because you don't have issues doesn't automatically say every single chip must be working as well. Reports of many OEMs with stock mobos and non-K CPUs failing with the same behavior as the hardcore gaming enthusiast. And come on, don't tell me you bought a 14900KS and kept it at base settings without even a mild overclock? Just who are you?? This cpu exist for the sole purpose of getting the highest performance and burning extra cash. a 14900 would be just as fast while burning much less power anyway, but let's stick to the point here, as even a 14900 would degrade itself anyway, and you don't even need an ASUS mobo.
The fact that you just treat people that were having these issues as dumbasses that don't know what they were doing while you are as ignorant if not more about the issue, makes YOU much closer to the political world than any of us. Do your research before throwing assumptions like that. many cases of OEM running stock cpu speeds, stock settings, and memory clocks not even using XMP and instead running lower ddr5 5200 which is already much lower than the norm, and even then they crash just like any unlocked i9. some of them even considering switching to AMD with the ever increasing downtime that cost much more money. 12th gen on the other hand doesn't have nearly as much issues. There's no denying that raptor lake has a big problem.

 

[Sunny and 75]

I plan on buying Bartlett if that does come to release

BTL news was exciting and indeed was, since I'm hearing things about ring bus issues and all that so IDHK, we'll just have to wait and see (first) if Intel really does release BTL, (second) if Intel is able to solve the ring bus issue when they do launch (in fact) the BTL lineup in Q3 2025.

Just because you don't have issues doesn't automatically say every single chip must be working as well.

This^

The fact that you just treat people that were having these issues as dumbasses that don't know what they were doing while you are as ignorant if not more about the issue, makes YOU much closer to the political world than any of us. Do your research before throwing assumptions like that. many cases of OEM running stock cpu speeds, stock settings, and memory clocks not even using XMP and instead running lower ddr5 5200 which is already much lower than the norm, and even then they crash just like any unlocked i9. some of them even considering switching to AMD with the ever increasing downtime that cost much more money. 12th gen on the other hand doesn't have nearly as much issues. There's no denying that raptor lake has a big problem.

Either ARL will get Intel out of this hot water or there will be stagnation all over again.

 

[remixedcat]

has any manufacturer like dell, hp, lenovo,asus, acer, supermicro, cyberpower, falcon northwest, etc made any statements on this whole thing?

and how have they been on cpu rma and laptop rma?

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

HT support which has been around for at least 10 years.

HT, post-Pentium 4, has existed for 15 years!

 

[LittleBro]

Intel decided to extend warranty for affected CPUs by two more years (most likely due to class action lawsuit investigation announced yesterday):
https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/1/24211616/intel-crashing-13th-14th-gen-cpus-warranty-two-more-years