The highest chance is that 9##0X3D vs 7##0X3D might end up same as 9##0 vs 7##0.Unsurprising. Wake me up when 9##0X3D hits.
9##0X3D only slightly faster than 7##0X3D, with the 7##0X3D being way much cheaper. And then ... here we go again
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The highest chance is that 9##0X3D vs 7##0X3D might end up same as 9##0 vs 7##0.Unsurprising. Wake me up when 9##0X3D hits.
System Name | Silicon Graphics O2 |
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Processor | R5000 / 180MHz |
Cooling | noisy fan |
Memory | 384 MB |
Storage | 4 GB |
Case | the one with the old logo and proud of it ;) |
Software | IRIX 6.5 |
I assume that Mindfactory directly buys CPUs from AMD, without a distributor in between.Alternate also has a "Danish" web shop. FWIW, if I could've chosen which German (r)etailer got the exclusivity deal it would probably have been CaseKing. Apparently, their support isn't the best, but at least they ship to pretty much all of Europe.
Not shipping to mail forwarders, etc. seems to be about fraud prevention, while not shipping into other countries looks like cost-cutting to me.Mindfactory also checks if the German address provided is a mail forwarding company like Mailbox.de, Shipgerman etc. , as do many other retailers. It's strange that most of the retailers we're offering wide shipping options 20 years ago when my country wasn't even in EU, and then it slowly eroded to today's state, when most of them only offer shipping to their country, or some random small circle of neighbouring countries. It all just reinforced separation to "EU proper" and "EU third world"...
I guess there is still hope that the Zen5 X3Ds will be clocked a bit higher.The highest chance is that 9##0X3D vs 7##0X3D might end up same as 9##0 vs 7##0.
9##0X3D only slightly faster than 7##0X3D, with the 7##0X3D being way much cheaper. And then ... here we go again![]()
Maybe missed it in the article but was the 9700x benchmarked with 105w?
System Name | Not a thread ripper but pretty good. |
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Processor | Ryzen 9 5950x |
Motherboard | ASRock X570 Taichi (revision 1.06, BIOS/UEFI version P5.50) |
Cooling | EK-Quantum Velocity2, EK-Quantum Reflection PC-O11, D5 PWM, EK-CoolStream PE 360, XSPC TX360 |
Memory | Micron DDR4-3200 ECC Unbuffered Memory (4 sticks, 128GB, 18ASF4G72AZ-3G2F1) + JONSBO NF-1 |
Video Card(s) | XFX Radeon RX 5700 & EK-Quantum Vector Radeon RX 5700 +XT & Backplate |
Storage | Samsung 2TB & 4TB 980 PRO, 2TB 970 EVO Plus, 2 x Optane 905p 1.5TB (striped), AMD Radeon RAMDisk |
Display(s) | 2 x 4K LG 27UL600-W (and HUANUO Dual Monitor Mount) |
Case | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic Black (original model) |
Power Supply | Corsair RM750x |
Mouse | Logitech M575 |
Keyboard | Corsair Strafe RGB MK.2 |
Software | Windows 10 Professional (64bit) |
Benchmark Scores | Typical for non-overclocked CPU. |
Putting AMD's tricks aside isn't the CCD problem mitigated on 7900X3D / 7950X3D by using process lasso? (not convenient but it should work)English speaking forum, but no this isn't shocking.
The 7900X3D has two CCD but no hardware scheduler, unlike Intel, so suffers from scheduling issues and cross CCD latency, hence why the 7600X3D is faster in games.
Except it seems your always paying what seems a hefty a premium just for those extra 4 cores making the 12 core parts more economical.Hence why i maintain the 7900X3D is a processor without a reason, it's the slowest of the X3Ds, so 7800X3D makes more sense or even 7600X3D, and if you need the cores for work/money making it makes zero sense to not pony up for the 7950.
Processor | faster at instructions than yours |
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Motherboard | more nurturing than yours |
Cooling | frostier than yours |
Memory | superior scheduling & haphazardly entry than yours |
Video Card(s) | better rasterization than yours |
Storage | more ample than yours |
Display(s) | increased pixels than yours |
Case | fancier than yours |
Audio Device(s) | further audible than yours |
Power Supply | additional amps x volts than yours |
Mouse | without as much gnawing as yours |
Keyboard | less clicky than yours |
VR HMD | not as odd looking as yours |
Software | extra mushier than yours |
Benchmark Scores | up yours |
System Name | Not a thread ripper but pretty good. |
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Processor | Ryzen 9 5950x |
Motherboard | ASRock X570 Taichi (revision 1.06, BIOS/UEFI version P5.50) |
Cooling | EK-Quantum Velocity2, EK-Quantum Reflection PC-O11, D5 PWM, EK-CoolStream PE 360, XSPC TX360 |
Memory | Micron DDR4-3200 ECC Unbuffered Memory (4 sticks, 128GB, 18ASF4G72AZ-3G2F1) + JONSBO NF-1 |
Video Card(s) | XFX Radeon RX 5700 & EK-Quantum Vector Radeon RX 5700 +XT & Backplate |
Storage | Samsung 2TB & 4TB 980 PRO, 2TB 970 EVO Plus, 2 x Optane 905p 1.5TB (striped), AMD Radeon RAMDisk |
Display(s) | 2 x 4K LG 27UL600-W (and HUANUO Dual Monitor Mount) |
Case | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic Black (original model) |
Power Supply | Corsair RM750x |
Mouse | Logitech M575 |
Keyboard | Corsair Strafe RGB MK.2 |
Software | Windows 10 Professional (64bit) |
Benchmark Scores | Typical for non-overclocked CPU. |
The problem with future proofing is it doesn't work if your needs change in a way that you haven't future proofed for. So you either overpay for what you don't need but might need later (using what will eventually be older slower tech) or you just get what you need, and later when your needs change, you get what you need that is also more current and faster tech.but but but all the eight core idiot fan boys say their CPUs are "future proof", how can a six core CPU beat them unless CPUs should be judged only on performance and not cores...
System Name | Silent |
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Processor | Ryzen 7800X3D @ 5.15ghz BCLK OC, TG AM5 High Performance Heatspreader |
Motherboard | ASUS ROG Strix X670E-I, chipset fans removed |
Cooling | Optimus Block, HWLABS Copper 240/40 + 240/30, D5/Res, 4x Noctua A12x25, 2x A4x10, Mayhems Ultra Pure |
Memory | 32 GB Dominator Platinum 6150 MT 26-36-36-48, 56.6ns AIDA, 2050 FCLK, 160 ns tRFC, active cooled |
Video Card(s) | RTX 3080 Ti Founders Edition, Conductonaut Extreme, 18 W/mK MinusPad Extreme, Corsair XG7 Waterblock |
Storage | Intel Optane DC P1600X 118 GB, Samsung 990 Pro 2 TB |
Display(s) | 32" 240 Hz 1440p Samsung G7, 31.5" 165 Hz 1440p LG NanoIPS Ultragear, MX900 dual gas VESA mount |
Case | Sliger SM570 CNC Aluminium 13-Litre, 3D printed feet, custom front panel pump/res combo |
Audio Device(s) | Audeze Maxwell Ultraviolet, Razer Nommo Pro |
Power Supply | SF750 Plat, full transparent custom cables, Sentinel Pro 1500 Online Double Conversion UPS w/Noctua |
Mouse | Razer Viper Pro V2 8 KHz Mercury White w/Tiger Ice Skates & Pulsar Supergrip tape |
Keyboard | Wooting 60HE+, TOFU-R CNC Alu/Brass, SS Prismcaps W, Jellykey, Lube/Mod, TLabs Leath/Suede Wristrest |
Software | Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 19044.4046 |
Benchmark Scores | Legendary |
What percentage of the population that buys these CPUs/prebuilts with these CPUs would you say knows about or wants to pay extra in time and money to do this? And why is AMD shipping 12 core parts that perform worse than 6 core parts, entirely because of scheduling issues?Putting AMD's tricks aside isn't the CCD problem mitigated on 7900X3D / 7950X3D by using process lasso? (not convenient but it should work)
Except it seems your always paying what seems a hefty a premium just for those extra 4 cores making the 12 core parts more economical.
Looking at Amazon's pricing at the moment $339 (7900X) vs $500 (7950X). That's $161 one could put toward GPU.
The jump from 7700x $276 vs. $339 is only $63 for comparison.
As far as I can remember this kind of premium has always been between 12 vs. 16 core AMD parts and to make things worse you get 1 good chiplet and one less good chiplet.
Now on the other hand 7900X3D (at $450) vs. 7950x is only $50 making that jump is some what reasonable if you need the cores with another $50 jump on top of that for 7950X3D. This makes 7900X a really good deal at $339.
So now that I have come full circle 7900X3D at $450 doesn't seem worth it but $400 or below it can be a deal if you use your PC for both work and gaming.
Hardware costs are a small percentage of software costs. If you *earn money* with your PC as I said, then ~$1-200 for 4 additional cores, full 8 core CCDs and higher frequencies is peanuts. This isn't a gaming scenario, I already said if you game just get the 7800X3D. The only reason for the 7900/X3D existing is to offload two defect dies at once, twice as good for AMD as the 7600/X/X3D, which does have a reason to exist because it's still a good gamer and it's cheap.English speaking forum, but no this isn't shocking.
The 7900X3D has two CCD but no hardware scheduler, unlike Intel, so suffers from scheduling issues and cross CCD latency, hence why the 7600X3D is faster in games.
Hence why i maintain the 7900X3D is a processor without a reason, it's the slowest of the X3Ds, so 7800X3D makes more sense or even 7600X3D, and if you need the cores for work/money making it makes zero sense to not pony up for the 7950.
Processor | 13700KF Undervolted @ 5.4, 4.8Ghz Ring 190W PL1 |
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Motherboard | MSI 690-I PRO |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 w/ Arctic P12 Fans |
Memory | 48 GB DDR5 7600 MHZ CL36 |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4090 FE |
Storage | 2x 2TB WDC SN850, 1TB Samsung 960 prr |
Display(s) | Alienware 32" 4k 240hz OLED |
Case | SLIGER S620 |
Audio Device(s) | Yes |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 |
Mouse | Xlite V2 |
Keyboard | RoyalAxe |
Software | Windows 11 |
Benchmark Scores | They're pretty good, nothing crazy. |
You mean the rumored mac mini that's going to be out in november with 16 gigs of ram?Anyone who's buying a $500 or more 12/16 core CPU ~ these are not play things & if you cannot make them work then you're better off buying a Mac!
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System Name | Not a thread ripper but pretty good. |
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Processor | Ryzen 9 5950x |
Motherboard | ASRock X570 Taichi (revision 1.06, BIOS/UEFI version P5.50) |
Cooling | EK-Quantum Velocity2, EK-Quantum Reflection PC-O11, D5 PWM, EK-CoolStream PE 360, XSPC TX360 |
Memory | Micron DDR4-3200 ECC Unbuffered Memory (4 sticks, 128GB, 18ASF4G72AZ-3G2F1) + JONSBO NF-1 |
Video Card(s) | XFX Radeon RX 5700 & EK-Quantum Vector Radeon RX 5700 +XT & Backplate |
Storage | Samsung 2TB & 4TB 980 PRO, 2TB 970 EVO Plus, 2 x Optane 905p 1.5TB (striped), AMD Radeon RAMDisk |
Display(s) | 2 x 4K LG 27UL600-W (and HUANUO Dual Monitor Mount) |
Case | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic Black (original model) |
Power Supply | Corsair RM750x |
Mouse | Logitech M575 |
Keyboard | Corsair Strafe RGB MK.2 |
Software | Windows 10 Professional (64bit) |
Benchmark Scores | Typical for non-overclocked CPU. |
It's a fair point that out of the box it shouldn't require any shenanigan's to get the best performance.What percentage of the population that buys these CPUs/prebuilts with these CPUs would you say knows about or wants to pay extra in time and money to do this? And why is AMD shipping 12 core parts that perform worse than 6 core parts, entirely because of scheduling issues?
If you *earn money* with your PC you would be wise not to be playing games on it anyway due to the risk of bs causing downtime and/or security concerns, but that's just my opinion. For work use X3D is a poor choice on performance and cost in general. (there are probably some exceptions to this I'm sure) This comes back to reinforcing your point I guess to go 7950x as it makes sense.Hardware costs are a small percentage of software costs. If you *earn money* with your PC as I said, then ~$1-200 for 4 additional cores, full 8 core CCDs and higher frequencies is peanuts. This isn't a gaming scenario, I already said if you game just get the 7800X3D. The only reason for the 7900/X3D existing is to offload two defect dies at once, twice as good for AMD as the 7600/X/X3D, which does have a reason to exist because it's still a good gamer and it's cheap.
I doubt waiting a couple of months is that big of a deal tbh, one of the biggest issues of this millennia is that too many people want things on day 1 or just as soon as it launches. FOMO probably! The 12/16 core x86 chips are by no means cheap nor are they for streaming cat videos across 5 monitors. So bottom line ~ if you are spending that amount of money be smart about it & know how you can make use of it. I don't have a soft corner for users with more money than brains.You mean the rumored mac mini that's going to be out in november with 16 gigs of ram?
If you don't want to play games or run half the software, then that's a killer deal.
System Name | Spam |
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Processor | i9-12900K PL1=125 TA=56 PL2=288 |
Motherboard | MSI MAG B660M Mortar WiFi DDR4 |
Cooling | Scythe Kaze Flex 120mm ARGB Fans x1 / Alphacool Eisbaer 360 |
Memory | Mushkin Red Line DDR4 4000 16Gb x2 18-22-22-42 1T |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Pulse RX 7900 XT |
Storage | Team Group MP33 512Mb / 1Tb |
Display(s) | SAMSUNG Odyssey G50A (LS27AG500PNXZA) (2560x1440) |
Case | Lan-Li A3 |
Audio Device(s) | Real Tek on Board Audio |
Power Supply | EVGA SuperNOVA 850 GM |
Mouse | M910-K |
Keyboard | K636CLO |
Software | WIN 11 Pro |
System Name | 4k |
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Processor | AMD 5800x3D |
Motherboard | MSI MAG b550m Mortar Wifi |
Cooling | ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240 |
Memory | 4x8Gb Crucial Ballistix 3600 CL16 bl8g36c16u4b.m8fe1 |
Video Card(s) | Nvidia Reference 3080Ti |
Storage | ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 1TB |
Display(s) | LG 48" C1 |
Case | CORSAIR Carbide AIR 240 Micro-ATX |
Audio Device(s) | Asus Xonar STX |
Power Supply | EVGA SuperNOVA 650W |
Software | Microsoft Windows10 Pro x64 |
Ill say pure clock speed, i think the 13600k is almost 500 mhZ fasterHow is it possible that the I5-13600K is better for gaming than the 7600X3D? It has a worse manufacturing process, a smaller cache, so how is it possible that it is a bit faster?
Processor | 7800X3D |
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Motherboard | MSI MAG Mortar b650m wifi |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin |
Memory | 32GB Corsair Vengeance 30CL6000 |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX7900XT Phantom Gaming |
Storage | Lexar NM790 4TB + Samsung 850 EVO 1TB + Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial BX100 250GB |
Display(s) | Gigabyte G34QWC (3440x1440) |
Case | Lian Li A3 mATX White |
Audio Device(s) | Harman Kardon AVR137 + 2.1 |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova G2 750W |
Mouse | XTRFY M42 |
Keyboard | Lenovo Thinkpad Trackpoint II |
Software | W11 IoT Enterprise LTSC |
There's an X AND 3D in this one. Duhbut but but all the eight core idiot fan boys say their CPUs are "future proof", how can a six core CPU beat them unless CPUs should be judged only on performance and not cores...
System Name | Best AMD Computer |
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Processor | AMD 7900X3D |
Motherboard | Asus X670E E Strix |
Cooling | In Win SR36 |
Memory | GSKILL DDR5 32GB 5200 30 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Pulse 7900XT (Watercooled) |
Storage | Corsair MP 700, Seagate 530 2Tb, Adata SX8200 2TBx2, Kingston 2 TBx2, Micron 8 TB, WD AN 1500 |
Display(s) | GIGABYTE FV43U |
Case | Corsair 7000D Airflow |
Audio Device(s) | Corsair Void Pro, Logitch Z523 5.1 |
Power Supply | Deepcool 1000M |
Mouse | Logitech g7 gaming mouse |
Keyboard | Logitech G510 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro 64 Steam. GOG, Uplay, Origin |
Benchmark Scores | Firestrike: 46183 Time Spy: 25121 |
Yes we know how you feel. Want to do a City Skylines Comparison?English speaking forum, but no this isn't shocking.
The 7900X3D has two CCD but no hardware scheduler, unlike Intel, so suffers from scheduling issues and cross CCD latency, hence why the 7600X3D is faster in games.
Hence why i maintain the 7900X3D is a processor without a reason, it's the slowest of the X3Ds, so 7800X3D makes more sense or even 7600X3D, and if you need the cores for work/money making it makes zero sense to not pony up for the 7950.
System Name | The Expanse |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D |
Motherboard | Asus Prime X570-Pro BIOS 5013 AM4 AGESA V2 PI 1.2.0.Ca. |
Cooling | Corsair H150i Pro |
Memory | 32GB GSkill Trident RGB DDR4-3200 14-14-14-34-1T (B-Die) |
Video Card(s) | XFX Radeon RX 7900 XTX Magnetic Air (24.8.1) |
Storage | WD SN850X 2TB / Corsair MP600 1TB / Samsung 860Evo 1TB x2 Raid 0 / Asus NAS AS1004T V2 20TB |
Display(s) | LG 34GP83A-B 34 Inch 21: 9 UltraGear Curved QHD (3440 x 1440) 1ms Nano IPS 160Hz |
Case | Fractal Design Meshify S2 |
Audio Device(s) | Creative X-Fi + Logitech Z-5500 + HS80 Wireless |
Power Supply | Corsair AX850 Titanium |
Mouse | Corsair Dark Core RGB SE |
Keyboard | Corsair K100 |
Software | Windows 10 Pro x64 22H2 |
Benchmark Scores | 3800X https://valid.x86.fr/1zr4a5 5800X https://valid.x86.fr/2dey9c 5800X3D https://valid.x86.fr/b7d |
This 1000%If you *earn money* with your PC you would be wise not to be playing games on it anyway due to the risk of bs causing downtime and/or security concerns, but that's just my opinion. For work use X3D is a poor choice on performance and cost in general. (there are probably some exceptions to this I'm sure) This comes back to reinforcing your point I guess to go 7950x as it makes sense.
System Name | Best AMD Computer |
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Processor | AMD 7900X3D |
Motherboard | Asus X670E E Strix |
Cooling | In Win SR36 |
Memory | GSKILL DDR5 32GB 5200 30 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Pulse 7900XT (Watercooled) |
Storage | Corsair MP 700, Seagate 530 2Tb, Adata SX8200 2TBx2, Kingston 2 TBx2, Micron 8 TB, WD AN 1500 |
Display(s) | GIGABYTE FV43U |
Case | Corsair 7000D Airflow |
Audio Device(s) | Corsair Void Pro, Logitch Z523 5.1 |
Power Supply | Deepcool 1000M |
Mouse | Logitech g7 gaming mouse |
Keyboard | Logitech G510 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro 64 Steam. GOG, Uplay, Origin |
Benchmark Scores | Firestrike: 46183 Time Spy: 25121 |
AMD have created 3 discrete CPU usages.This 1000%
A machine for work will be separate from the gaming machine if I earn income from it. Stability is king no overclocked ram will be using ECC, just not worth risking it for something that helps pay the bills!