All-New MSI X870(E) Motherboards - Built to Dominate Next-Gen AI Computing

[TheLostSwede]

Do we need v3.0 lanes tho?
If you have some leftover stuff, you can use them in v4.0 lanes, so all good

I never said that, but Intel kept them up until last gen, just like AMD still has some.
I guess it takes up a bit less space in a chip or something? Honestly not entirely sure, but most chipsets over the past few years have mixed and matched PCIe revisions.

 

[leonavis]

AI this and AI that... I guess "gaming" branding doesn't sell that well anymore?

For those who dare :O

 

[chrcoluk]

Checked all the boards they released, only the MEG X870E GODLIKE is decent
I feel like the X870 is just an X670 with some botox, basically no new features...


Hell naaa
Checked all the boards, this one is stinks!
According to is site only gives - Link
4x PCI-E x16 slot
PCI_E1 Gen PCIe 5.0 supports up to x16 (From CPU)
PCI_E2 Gen PCIe 3.0 supports up to x1 (From Chipset)
PCI_E3 Gen PCIe 3.0 supports up to x1 (From Chipset)
PCI_E4 Gen PCIe 4.0 supports up to x4 (From Chipset)
Calling these 1× and 4× slots as 16× SHOULD BE ILLEGAL
That is a friggin scam!!!

No manual available, but I would not recommend this board if you eyeing the expansion slots

Them all been full length is misleading, I assumed would all be x4 as full length are usually x16 for top one x4 for rest, but still its better than the boards that have only one or two pcie slots.

X870 just seems horrible overall, if I was building an AMD system today I would be using an older chipset.

It is only for the BUZZ words...

Do we need v3.0 lanes tho?
If you have some leftover stuff, you can use them in v4.0 lanes, so all good

Gen 3 lanes are still useful for many purposes including NVME. Gen 5 is the one that should be questioned, nothing really needs it.

 

[rv8000]

Them all been full length is misleading, I assumed would all be x4 as full length are usually x16 for top one x4 for rest, but still its better than the boards that have only one or two pcie slots.

X870 just seems horrible overall, if I was building an AMD system today I would be using an older chipset.


Gen 3 lanes are still useful for many purposes including NVME. Gen 5 is the one that should be questioned, nothing really needs it.

Why is it horrible though? How often is the average person actually using pcie 1x and 4x slots? People don’t buy sound cards, an average person won’t be running m.2 expansion or raid cards, limited people use capture cards and or have the ability to use external cards. Aside from extra storage what does an “average” person utilize physical pci-e slots for?

I can understand the way lanes are bifurcated on some boards being weird, but a lot of modern chipsets suffer from similar issues including x670. A lot of 700 series Intel boards are even more limited with multiple nvme drives installed and utilizing pcie 5.0.

I’d much rather get TB4/USB4, Wifi 7, and more modern QOL features offered by newer boards when pci-e lane topology is similarly limited.

 

[chrcoluk]

Why is it horrible though? How often is the average person actually using pcie 1x and 4x slots? People don’t buy sound cards, an average person won’t be running m.2 expansion or raid cards, limited people use capture cards and or have the ability to use external cards. Aside from extra storage what does an “average” person utilize physical pci-e slots for?

I can understand the way lanes are bifurcated on some boards being weird, but a lot of modern chipsets suffer from similar issues including x670. A lot of 700 series Intel boards are even more limited with multiple nvme drives installed and utilizing pcie 5.0.

I’d much rather get TB4/USB4, Wifi 7, and more modern QOL features offered by newer boards when pci-e lane topology is similarly limited.

I guess I am a ghost or something then. I cant be a person if people dont do these things.

 

[rv8000]

I guess I am a ghost or something then. I cant be a person if people dont do these things.

Or you forget that the typical enthusiast and their “needs” is not the norm

 

[chrcoluk]

Or you forget that the typical enthusiast and their “needs” is not the norm

How many normal people care about USB4 then?

 

[rv8000]

How many normal people care about USB4 then?

I’d wager to guess a lot more than those needing 4 pcie 1x slots for some really archaic reason.

External drives, mass storage, hubs, a lot more practical and or common devices to make use of the bandwidth there.

 

[csendesmark]

Them all been full length is misleading, I assumed would all be x4 as full length are usually x16 for top one x4 for rest, but still its better than the boards that have only one or two pcie slots.

X870 just seems horrible overall, if I was building an AMD system today I would be using an older chipset.

Well, most of em, but not all!
Personally I am waiting for the ASUS ProArt X870E-CREATOR WIFI which can do PCIe 5 8× + PCIe 5 8× + PCIe 4 4× lanes which I will use - all of them.

ProArt X870E-CREATOR WIFI product site

Gen 3 lanes are still useful for many purposes including NVME. Gen 5 is the one that should be questioned, nothing really needs it.

Having gen 5 lanes maybe not really needed as of now, but might be handy later, and you can use them with PCIe v3~4~5 devices.
If you suggesting to have double as many PCIe v4 lanes instead, then I agree, whoever - that would bring up the cost for the mainboards....
Maybe that's why we starving of "actual" PCIe 16× connectors

As I wrote above, calling those 4,2 and 1× slots as 16× should be illegal.
It is like asking for a full glass of wine at the bar and get this

 

[chrcoluk]

I’d wager to guess a lot more than those needing 4 pcie 1x slots for some really archaic reason.

External drives, mass storage, hubs, a lot more practical and or common devices to make use of the bandwidth there.

We guess different then. Its not hard to find people frustrated by lack expansion slots, however much harder to find people who have a craving for USB4.

If you advocating for majority use cases only then I guess you want a closed up single spec PC system. Choice is always a good thing.

I also am not specifically saying slots should be 1x either, but certainly 1x slots are better than no slots.

A good balance is probably one 16x, two 4x and two 1x. Which is what my board has. The 16x is gen 5, but gen 4 would have been adequate, one 4x is gen 4, one 4x is gen 3 and the two 1x are gen 3. You could maybe replace one of the 4x with a 8x shared with first slot for people like @TheLostSwede .

Not quite sure why anyone one would want a feature cut very heavily priced motherboard as if it somehow is a good thing.

As I wrote above, calling those 4,2 and 1× slots as 16× should be illegal.
It is like asking for a full glass of wine at the bar and get this
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Lol yeah, I didnt know they were labelled as 16x, thats is 100% wrong. Also usually 1x slots are physically smaller slots, so its very weird to have 1x slots as long as those slots.

 

[csendesmark]

Lol yeah, I didnt know they were labelled as 16x, thats is 100% wrong. Also usually 1x slots are physically smaller slots, so its very weird to have 1x slots as long as those slots.

That is fine if the shorter slot's end is open, or the plastic form to receive the card is longer.
Totally fine, but that empty shell of the connector, without the wires - are just like the half or 3 quarter empty bottle of drink advertised as a full

 

[rv8000]

We guess different then. Its not hard to find people frustrated by lack expansion slots, however much harder to find people who have a craving for USB4.

If you advocating for majority use cases only then I guess you want a closed up single spec PC system. Choice is always a good thing.

I also am not specifically saying slots should be 1x either, but certainly 1x slots are better than no slots.

A good balance is probably one 16x, two 4x and two 1x. Which is what my board has. The 16x is gen 5, but gen 4 would have been adequate, one 4x is gen 4, one 4x is gen 3 and the two 1x are gen 3. You could maybe replace one of the 4x with a 8x shared with first slot for people like @TheLostSwede .

Not quite sure why anyone one would want a feature cut very heavily priced motherboard as if it somehow is a good thing.


Lol yeah, I didnt know they were labelled as 16x, thats is 100% wrong. Also usually 1x slots are physically smaller slots, so its very weird to have 1x slots as long as those slots.

I guess it’s a good thing you don’t have yo buy one and can keep on using or find a board that suits your needs, as there tend to always be a plethora of options.