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Intel Reports Third-Quarter 2024 Financial Results

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AMD is overvalued, If i had any I'd have gotten out.
Not because i am an AMD fan, but I feel that given their current hardware, future hardware and other factors, I feel they are actually undervalued, especially compared to Intel.
Then Nvidia must be as well and Apple, google, MS, etc.???

I would say they all are.
Exactly. Again, not because I am not a fan of Ngreedia, but I find their stocks to be grossly overvalued, given what they are reporting as profits every year.

But like I explained above but in reverse, seems that their future earnings have a the effect on their current capitulation.

But no, I am not an expert in finances, stocks or whatever, so everything I said could and might be just wrong.
 
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Not because i am an AMD fan, but I feel that given their current hardware, future hardware and other factors, I feel they are actually undervalued, especially compared to Intel.

Exactly. Again, not because I am not a fan of Ngreedia, but I find their stocks to be grossly overvalued, given what they are reporting as profits every year.

But like I explained above but in reverse, seems that their future earnings have a the effect on their current capitulation.

But no, I am not an expert in finances, stocks or whatever, so everything I said could and might be just wrong.
x86's market share is shrinking both server side and client side
i can't see a future where x86 starts becoming more interesting in a way that more industries will want to adopt it, (every other big player is working on their own chip.) and users all start to buy new x86 devices in a way that makes it possible for AMD to double their earnings.
Nor do i see AMD suddenly introducing a new kind of chip where it can bring the heat to nvidia with.


Be interesting to see how this plays out by Q3 25
Depends on the wider economy, if for some reason sanctions on China and Russia are lifted things might be OK for nvidia and AMD.
Intel needs an other year
 
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This is the reason investors believe INTC has a future.


High-NA will allow INTC to leap frog TSMC for a few generations.

There is some risk:
 
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Nor do i see AMD suddenly introducing a new kind of chip where it can bring the heat to nvidia with.
If the reports are true, their current MI300x and MI325X are either matching or surpassing Ngreedias offerings.

But their software stack (ROCm?) is not on par with CUDA, so that its holding them back.

Again, assuming the few reports are correct, since I personally have seen very little confirming that or saying that much more.
 
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Not because i am an AMD fan, but I feel that given their current hardware, future hardware and other factors, I feel they are actually undervalued, especially compared to Intel.
They are overvalued, but this means totally nothing. Tomorrow they announce that they manage to sign a contract for a million MI300X and that they manage to fix all their production problems and their stock price skyrockets, no matter if they are overvalued or undervalued. I was hearing analysts screaming that Nvidia was overvalued when it first hit $70. Considering their splits from that time to today, stock price moved 80 times higher. Because before that 10 for 1 splits, they had done a 4 for 1 split. So that's not a mistake in my maths, because it's close to $140 today, so it's 2 x 4 x 10 = 80. So we see that at $70 it was considered overvalued and at 80 times higher stock price today, some consider it still undervalued.

Going back to AMD, they are overvalued because they keep failing to take advantage of their ....advantages. And time is ticking. Consider Intel fixing it's factory problems and Panther Lake is a beast. Consider Nvidia getting in the laptop/handheld/mini PC even desktop business, with full motherboards/ARM CPUs/SOCs option for Windows on ARM and future Nvidia GPU models selling at a discount on their ARM platform, compared to the models selling for use on the X86 platform. Consider Microsoft switching to Intel or Nvidia for their next XBOX. AMD could be having to deal with much worst conditions in 2-3 years from now. Investors where hopping to see AMD skyrocketing with EPYC, now with Instinct. They did become bigger with EPYC, but at the same time Intel came out with hybrid CPUs and stopped them in retail. They got the chance to start winning market share in gaming with a very good RX 6000 series, only to spill the milk with RX 7000. Their gaming revenues is a joke going back I don't know how many years, maybe even at the pre consoles era. They keep getting more competitive in AI, only to come out and say that they can't produce enough to cover demand. And even in integrated graphics and handhelds, their Z2 series for handhelds looks like a refresh, not a good jump ahead. They seem to have hit a ceiling with their iGPUs and do nothing to fix that. No Infinity Cache, no Sideport Memory or something to help their iGPUs to remain clearly ahead of Intel, to avoid having tomorrow to face a much stronger option from Qualcomm, or Mediatek, or Nvidia.

There is huge mismanagement in AMD, or lack of vision, fear maybe of ending up with huge inventories that they can't sell, meaning they are losing their chances out of fear. They don't book enough capacity to be able to take advantage of their good fortunes and when they have a good product in the market they prefer to see it's price getting inflated than flood the market and grab market share. We seen it in the past when Ryzen 5000 series was a success and prices gone up bacause they couldn't or didn't wanted to cover all the demand, we see it when mining craze could offer them the chance to win gamers, instead they followed Nvidia's game with higher prices, we see now that they are moving prices of X3D models up, we see their repetable stupidity of pricing their new hardware at high MSRP prices and then let the market deside if it will pay those prices or if they will have to do huge discounds just 2 months after the product release (Ryzen 9000).

While I love Su for turning around AMD, she is not capable of making AMD a huge company. She is like that coach that takes a team from near dissaster and makes it competitive, but is incapable of pushing that team in a position to try to win the championship.
 
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This is the reason investors believe INTC has a future.


High-NA will allow INTC to leap frog TSMC for a few generations.

There is some risk:
Very ambitious for Intel to try to dominate on High-NA EUV when they were so late to adopt EUV for their nodes. It makes sense why Intel might be forced to do this as a way to leapfrog rivals but it is a engineering risk that investors don't understand. TSMC has the right long-term idea on managing technical risks with more smaller rapid updates for R&D and products (process nodes) instead of large leaps like Intel likes to do.

Remember that Intel got into this mess in the first place by trying to do a large leap forward with their 10nm node without using EUV. The end result was a massive delay of at least 3 years on that node (original date = 2016, actual date of production = Sept 2019).
 
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They are overvalued, but this means totally nothing. Tomorrow they announce that they manage to sign a contract for a million MI300X and that they manage to fix all their production problems and their stock price skyrockets, no matter if they are overvalued or undervalued. I was hearing analysts screaming that Nvidia was overvalued when it first hit $70. Considering their splits from that time to today, stock price moved 80 times higher. Because before that 10 for 1 splits, they had done a 4 for 1 split. So that's not a mistake in my maths, because it's close to $140 today, so it's 2 x 4 x 10 = 80. So we see that at $70 it was considered overvalued and at 80 times higher stock price today, some consider it still undervalued.

Going back to AMD, they are overvalued because they keep failing to take advantage of their ....advantages. And time is ticking. Consider Intel fixing it's factory problems and Panther Lake is a beast. Consider Nvidia getting in the laptop/handheld/mini PC even desktop business, with full motherboards/ARM CPUs/SOCs option for Windows on ARM and future Nvidia GPU models selling at a discount on their ARM platform, compared to the models selling for use on the X86 platform. Consider Microsoft switching to Intel or Nvidia for their next XBOX. AMD could be having to deal with much worst conditions in 2-3 years from now. Investors where hopping to see AMD skyrocketing with EPYC, now with Instinct. They did become bigger with EPYC, but at the same time Intel came out with hybrid CPUs and stopped them in retail. They got the chance to start winning market share in gaming with a very good RX 6000 series, only to spill the milk with RX 7000. Their gaming revenues is a joke going back I don't know how many years, maybe even at the pre consoles era. They keep getting more competitive in AI, only to come out and say that they can't produce enough to cover demand. And even in integrated graphics and handhelds, their Z2 series for handhelds looks like a refresh, not a good jump ahead. They seem to have hit a ceiling with their iGPUs and do nothing to fix that. No Infinity Cache, no Sideport Memory or something to help their iGPUs to remain clearly ahead of Intel, to avoid having tomorrow to face a much stronger option from Qualcomm, or Mediatek, or Nvidia.

There is huge mismanagement in AMD, or lack of vision, fear maybe of ending up with huge inventories that they can't sell, meaning they are losing their chances out of fear. They don't book enough capacity to be able to take advantage of their good fortunes and when they have a good product in the market they prefer to see it's price getting inflated than flood the market and grab market share. We seen it in the past when Ryzen 5000 series was a success and prices gone up bacause they couldn't or didn't wanted to cover all the demand, we see it when mining craze could offer them the chance to win gamers, instead they followed Nvidia's game with higher prices, we see now that they are moving prices of X3D models up, we see their repetable stupidity of pricing their new hardware at high MSRP prices and then let the market deside if it will pay those prices or if they will have to do huge discounds just 2 months after the product release (Ryzen 9000).

While I love Su for turning around AMD, she is not capable of making AMD a huge company. She is like that coach that takes a team from near dissaster and makes it competitive, but is incapable of pushing that team in a position to try to win the championship.
Many good points, others I dont think are correct but going into it will be completely off topic.

One point I will agree, they need to be more aggressive and even stop being so "nice" if needed.
 
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