AMD Ryzen AI MAX+ PRO 395 "Strix Halo" APU Spotted in Geekbench Leak

[Nomad76]

CES 2025 is less than a month away and leaks about AMD Strix Halo APUs are starting to emerge. Today we have confirmation via a leaked Geekbench Vulcan test that AMD will launch the Ryzen AI MAX+ PRO 395 w/ Radeon 8060S "Strix Halo" APU. Information reveals that this APU is equipped with 16 Zen 5 cores with 32 threads, a 3 GHz base frequency (4.4 GHz max), and a boost up to 5.1 GHz. It sports a 32 MB L3 cache per CCD for a total of 64 MB since it uses a dual CCD chip design. The TDP should be between 55-130 W. Moreover, the "PRO" in the product naming suggests that AMD could release non-PRO models at a later date.

The integrated Radeon 8060S iGPU adopts the RDNA 3.5 architecture with 40 computing units and was tested using an AMD reference board design codenamed AMD MAPLE-STXH and 64 GB of memory scoring 67,004 points in the Geekbench Vulkan test. This initial result is lower than AMD Radeon RX 7600 RDNA 3 discrete entry-level products (despite having more cores 40CU vs 32CU), and higher than NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050. However, since the benchmark was run on an evaluation platform without optimized drivers and more likely using an early test sample product, we can expect the actual performance of the Radeon 8060S iGPU to be higher.



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[Daven]

I must say I get the most excited about these SoC products. Don't get me wrong. I still love to build my PC by choosing the best CPU and GPU but these SoC products really push the envelope on what can be placed on a single package. So much more so than just a few years ago due to fierce competition. And the new form factors that we are seeing like handhelds make it exciting for gaming.

We currently have the Apple M series, Intel Core Ultra (Lunar Lake) series and the AMD Ryzen AI (Strix Point and Strix Halo) series. They all compete at overlapping power, CPU and GPU levels. Eventually, it would be nice to find a good way to benchmark and review these SoC products. But with a wide difference in cooling, form factors and ISAs, conventional benchmarking is extremely difficult.

 

[freeagent]

AI MAX++ plus.

Max AI to the max on your laptop!

130w though, interesting.

 

[wNotyarD]

AI MAX+ PRO. How can the bullshit naming go further from here?

 

[Daven]

AI MAX++ plus.

Max AI to the max on your laptop!

130w though, interesting.

The expected range is 55-130W. Definitely within the envelope for a combined mobile CPU and mid-range mobile discrete GPU but it would be next to impossible to put one of these in a handheld.

 

[igormp]

130w though, interesting.

indeed a high value, but considering that this is pretty much a 9950x with a really beefed up IO die, it's not that surprising.

A fully monolithic device (like strix point) with a bigger memory bus would be a really nice middle-ground to have.

 

[wNotyarD]

The expected range is 55-130W. Definitely within the envelope for a combined mobile CPU and mid-range mobile discrete GPU but it would be next to impossible to put one of these in a handheld.

130W sounds a bit high even for a Minisforum mini PC. Should be exciting nevertheless.

 

[freeagent]

That's why I am impressed, they stuffed a real CPU into it.

 

[AcE]

AI MAX++ plus.

Max AI to the max on your laptop!

130w though, interesting.

130W is nothing for a desktop grade 16C processor and a full fledged GPU, so either they will increase this to 200ish or this APU will choke. This is a desktop replacement APU, not usual laptop stuff. So usually these laptops will be fat and run on higher power.

 

[Timbaloo]

I'm interested in these, but given the pricing for Strix Point APUs already, this will be a firstborn + kidney type of deal.

 

[Wirko]

indeed a high value, but considering that this is pretty much a 9950x with a really beefed up IO die, it's not that surprising.

A fully monolithic device (like strix point) with a bigger memory bus would be a really nice middle-ground to have.

A more down-to-earth option would be a monolithic chip with a faster memory bus (LPDDR around 8500), more L3 (24+16 MB or 16+16 MB) and 6 or 8 big cores instead of 4. It's not realistic to expect a wider memory bus. I had hope, when I first heard of giant sockets with 1700 and 1718 pins, that Intel and AMD were making room for a third memory channel ... but nothing came of that.

 

[Testsubject01]

The expected range is 55-130W. Definitely within the envelope for a combined mobile CPU and mid-range mobile discrete GPU but it would be next to impossible to put one of these in a handheld.

The rumor mill is still holding out for an 8 Core Zen 5 paired with 32-40 CU RDNA 3.5 version of Strix Halo. Who knows how much interest the handheld market has garnered, to make this a reality.

 

[AcE]

The rumor mill is still holding out for an 8 Core Zen 5 paired with 32-40 CU RDNA 3.5 version of Strix Halo. Who knows how much interest the handheld market has garnered, to make this a reality.

Completely pointless with the typical wattage of 15-25W in handhelds, choke deluxe. Even the 12 CU ROG Ally already chokes itself if you use it in the regular 15W mode. This is simply not for handhelds. The 16CU model is.

 

[ro9ue01]

The rumor mill is still holding out for an 8 Core Zen 5 paired with 32-40 CU RDNA 3.5 version of Strix Halo. Who knows how much interest the handheld market has garnered, to make this a reality.

Imo the wattage has to come down to <25W for efficient cooling in a handheld device.

 

[aktpu]

Upgrading to this from 8700G will be nice

 

[Daven]

130W sounds a bit high even for a Minisforum mini PC. Should be exciting nevertheless.

Up to 180W discrete mobile GPUs have been used in laptop form factors for many years now. I don't see why a mini PC wouldn't be about to accommodate 130W. That's like a 35W CPU (Intel makes a ton of these in desktop SKUs) combined with a 100W GPU such as a slightly lower clocked 4060. This is quite easy to do in a mini PC.

Edit: And speak of the devil, we have a leak of a RTX5000 mobile GPU in a Dell.

Dell Pro Max 18/16 Plus laptop leak confirms Core Ultra 200HX CPU, RTX 5000 GPU and CAMM2 memory - VideoCardz.com

That's 255W total CPU+GPU in a < 1 in form factor and THREE!!! fans working in parallel. Half of that power (~130W) would easily fit in a mini PC.

Upgrading to this from 8700G will be nice

I wish this was going to be a standalone, socketable part but I highly, highly doubt we will see any of these outside of OEM parts.

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

The rumor mill is still holding out for an 8 Core Zen 5 paired with 32-40 CU RDNA 3.5 version of Strix Halo. Who knows how much interest the handheld market has garnered, to make this a reality.

The handheld market is a hot mess and such a product would break the power, heat, and battery limits.

 

[igormp]

A more down-to-earth option would be a monolithic chip with a faster memory bus (LPDDR around 8500), more L3 (24+16 MB or 16+16 MB) and 6 or 8 big cores instead of 4. It's not realistic to expect a wider memory bus. I had hope, when I first heard of giant sockets with 1700 and 1718 pins, that Intel and AMD were making room for a third memory channel ... but nothing came of that.

I'm not really talking about desktops, rather devices such as laptops and mini-PCs, and I don't see why it wouldn't be feasible for a premium laptop (think $1k+), it'd pretty much be a competitor to something like the Pro lineup of Mx chips from Apple.
Intel could've gone this way with LNL, but I guess not doing so makes sense since it's meant to be a low power chip (competitor to the base Mx chip).

Strix Halo kinda can compete with a M4 Max CPU-perf wise, but it's a 100W+ chip vs a ~70W one, with the latter having a 384~512-bit memory bus vs 256-bit from AMD (which is the same value for the new Pro chips). The GPU might be beefier, but it'll have way less bandwidth, and I doubt it'll be any cheap.

I guess ideally we would have something like what we already have with strix point, but with a 192 or 256-bit memory bus, and maybe a little bigger GPU (like 20~24CUs). Would still be able to fit within a 50~70W envelope, and would be a really interesting option for the $1~2k range of premium lightweight laptops with a long battery life.

Upgrading to this from 8700G will be nice

I don't think this chip will have a desktop variant at all, way too big and different memory subsystem to the current offerings.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

AI MAX+ PRO

AMD needs to fire everyone in the marketing dept involved with this stupid naming convection and start anew.

130w though

Exactly, thats 130w of the incorrect type (AMD)
When its the correct type (Intel, Ngreedia) then its not a problem.

That's 255W total

See above...

This particular halo APU would be great in the form of a SOC like the Apple Silicons, with memory integrated in the same chip.

Yes, it will be beyond expensive, but given how Ngreedia got away with their halo offerings prices, who knows.

Or, maybe using quad memory channels, instead of dual.

 

[Evrsr]

AI MAX+ PRO. How can the bullshit naming go further from here?

This is truly remarkable. They took the 9 out but still managed to fit more letters in. At this point they look like Aliexpress sellers naming these things.

 

[freeagent]

Exactly, thats 130w of the incorrect type (AMD)
When its the correct type (Intel, Ngreedia) then its not a problem.

I love abusing AMD hardware

 

[wNotyarD]

Or, maybe using quad memory channels, instead of dual.

The Geekbench report lists 4 memory channels. I don't know if that's only due to DDR5 subchannels, though.

 

[3valatzy]

This is not an APU.

An APU is a monolithic chip. This has several chiplets.

AMD APU - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

SoC SoC SoC

Yup ^^^

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

The Geekbench report lists 4 memory channels. I don't know if that's only due to DDR5 subchannels, though.

I read something similar.

Since it is using DDR5, which is dual channel per dimm (or something like that, bit rusty in the subject) thats why its showing as such.

But I dont know if this can be compared to a proper quad channel system, like whats used with ThreadRippers, for example.

 

[3valatzy]

The AM5 platform doesn't support true-quad-channel memory (or octo-channel within the fake DDR5 nomenclature).