AMD Radeon "RX 8800 XT" is Actually the RX 9070 XT?

[AusWolf]

because with nvidia and amd theres only 2 sets of numbers and theres only ti and xt (now xtx) and easy to know. 10 20 30 40 series, like amd 50 60 70 the product generation is a waste to have its 3 things to remember. instead of letters just make the number. its far easier with amd and nvidia.

Ti and XT have no meaning at all, they're completely unnecessary and a lot of times confusing.

Nvidia wants us to believe that Super and Ti are refreshes when they're not. They're the same damn chip on the same damn architecture just with more enabled parts, reserved to be sold later for extra profit without spending a penny on innovation. Artificial product segmentation.

As for AMD, where's the 7800 non-XT and the 7700 non-XT? Why have the XT suffix at all when it doesn't mean anything? And why is the 6700 XT succeeded by the 7800 XT? And then the 9070 XT with a completely new naming system? 700 followed by 800, then by 70. It doesn't make sense.

At least with Intel, every letter and number means something, and it's consistent across generations (I know there's only 2 so far, but I hope they'll keep it up).

I think you side with Nvidia's and AMD's naming because you're used to it, not because it's better.

I am not going to buy it exactly because of the name.

I don't like the new name, either, but I think you're taking it too far. You're buying a product, not a name.

 

[leonavis]

At least in mobile CPUs AMD's naming is straight-forward and easy to understand

 

[3valatzy]

At least in mobile CPUs AMD's naming is straight-forward and easy to understand

That is the old naming. The new one is Ryzen AI n HX ***

I don't like the new name, either, but I think you're taking it too far. You're buying a product, not a name.

I don't know what to like in this -what-it-seems-to-be a turd. Another rebrand with poor performance. They could call it a Radeon RX 7900 GRE Super and have the same "success".

 

[leonavis]

That is the old naming. The new one is Ryzen AI n HX ***

Right. I just wonder why they didn't just call it "RAIzen" instead.

 

[AusWolf]

I don't know what to like in this -what-it-seems-to-be a turd. Another rebrand with poor performance. They could call it a Radeon RX 7900 GRE Super and have the same "success".

It's not a rebrand. It supposedly comes with IPC and efficiency improvements, made on a new node, and with a redesigned RT core. Don't judge a product until you see the benchmarks.

 

[Dawora]

Cpus are 9000 series and gpus are 9000 series
I dont know about others, but looks good that way.

Because this won't be confusing in a couple of gpu generations. I can see it already, RX 9070 or RTX 9070 (though this is so far in the future that I doubt it'll matter, so it's just a funny observation in my eyes).

At the same time, this will be bad for the next generation of GPUs, where they will either have to enjoy having a very long RX 100X0 or change the naming again, though if UDNA ends up being what they're doing then chances are they were going to do it regardless.

Nvidia wont use this naming for long anymore, it will change something totaly different.

That Core Ultra is the most stupid naming in the last decade. Usually the suffix "Ultra" is only for enthusiast-level products..

Ultra stupid buy
i see it that way

If true, model naming realignments typically mean a break from comparisons with previous generations. Conservatively, a next generation beats the current generation by up to 30%. Therefore, a hypothetical 8800XT would have succeeded the 7800XT and have up to 30% more performance putting it around the 7900XT. But now it looks like AMD wants us to compare the next generation to Nvidia model numbers instead. That would mean a hypothetical 9070XT would be equivalent to the upcoming 5070Ti. The 5070Ti should have at least 30% more performance than the 4070Ti putting it around the 7900XTX/4080/4080 Super.

Taking everything into consideration, the 9070XT could be sub-$500, sub-300W and have the same performance as a 7900XTX and 4080 series. AMD would then be competing with Nvidia's next generation all the way up to the 5070Ti. That's a little better than being just a 7800XT successor especially if AMD matches Nvidia's RT performance as well.

9070XT only 640Gb/s bandwith cant compete against 7900XTX 960.0 GB/s

Thats why naming is xx70XT (Not 8080/ or 9080)

 

[3valatzy]

It's not a rebrand. It supposedly comes with IPC and efficiency improvements, made on a new node, and with a redesigned RT core. Don't judge a product until you see the benchmarks.

IPC improvement is 1%, efficiency improvement is 2%. "New" node is actually the old 5nm node with a plus. Don't overhype it, because you are set for a disaster and disappointment.

 

[AusWolf]

IPC improvement is 1%, efficiency improvement is 2%. "New" node is actually the old 5nm node with a plus. Don't overhype it, because you are set for a disaster and disappointment.

And you know all that way ahead of the official announcement from...?

Besides, if the price is right, I won't be disappointed. All I want is a decent midrange card for a decent price. Anything on top is just an extra.

 

[Vayra86]

LMAO! I love it!! you dont need to analyze the numbers. its perfect and speaks to all languages

I called up Huang and suggested it, because face it, with that naming people will also stop whining Huang transformed their x70 into an x50.

As thanks he's sending me a signed 5060 8GB, but the name on the box has a strikethrough and they put the 'Slow AF, but your CPU has no IGP' sticker on it instead.

If true, model naming realignments typically mean a break from comparisons with previous generations. Conservatively, a next generation beats the current generation by up to 30%. Therefore, a hypothetical 8800XT would have succeeded the 7800XT and have up to 30% more performance putting it around the 7900XT. But now it looks like AMD wants us to compare the next generation to Nvidia model numbers instead. That would mean a hypothetical 9070XT would be equivalent to the upcoming 5070Ti. The 5070Ti should have at least 30% more performance than the 4070Ti putting it around the 7900XTX/4080/4080 Super.

Taking everything into consideration, the 9070XT could be sub-$500, sub-300W and have the same performance as a 7900XTX and 4080 series. AMD would then be competing with Nvidia's next generation all the way up to the 5070Ti. That's a little better than being just a 7800XT successor especially if AMD matches Nvidia's RT performance as well.

Can I get some of what you are smoking there? Seems strong.

500,-
sub 300W
and perf of the 7900XTX

Basically you want a 7800XT price, 7900XT undervolted TDP, double RT performance, and RTX 4080 raster perf. Should I reiterate the 4080's MSRP was 1199,-?

Maybe they'll make one on Mars?

At least in mobile CPUs AMD's naming is straight-forward and easy to understand

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If not sarcasm... Yeah totally, because a 7840 could realistically be Ryzen 7 or 9 which in turn stands for.... euhhh what exactly? The 0 is even funnier. 'Feature isolation' but only *if needed. Like what the actual fuck is that supposed to mean? its there, but only if necessary... and what makes it necessary? Whether Lisa Su had a big poop this morning or not?

 

[leonavis]

Sarcasm? I don't know the meaning of the word.

 

[HyeVltg3]

As long as AMD's is few % faster than the Nvidea xx80 card, I'll have a reason to buy AMD. Right now my RTX 3080 is best for the games I play, budget and how long I want to keep the card.

 

[Kyan]

Awwww. I was looking forward to another 8800 series graphics card

Me too, I'm really sad. I was wishing for a R7 8800X3D and a RX 8800 XT, while it make sense that the R7 was a dream, the RX 8800 XT was completely possible. (yes, I love the number 8)

 

[AusWolf]

Me too, I'm really sad. I was wishing for a R7 8800X3D and a RX 8800 XT, while it make sense that the R7 was a dream, the RX 8800 XT was completely possible. (yes, I love the number 8)

I think even numbers are better than odd ones... Except for ones that end with 5. 5 is awesome. Yes, call me crazy.