NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Spotted with Missing ROPs, NVIDIA Confirms the Issue, Multiple Vendors Affected, RTX 5070 Ti, Too

[MacZ]

Perhaps they thought it would go unnoticed, or that the performance difference would be insignificant.

For most people, this (missing ROPs) will go unnoticed and they won't request a RMA.

From my understanding, to have as much stock as possible, nVidia just allowed much more questionable quality than before.

These gaming GPUs are competing for wafer space with $25,000 AI GPUs that CEOs are having meeting with Jensen Huang to beg for having their order processed in a reasonable time.

People should be happy to have any at all, because they are in no way, shape or form entitled to any GPUs at any price point.

They are otherwise welcome to build their own GPU company. Ask the chinese for pointers, maybe.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Even intel, with all its problems.

Intel's got game going on! The B580/B570 are surprisingly robust and if they can kick it up a few levels with the B750/B770, then they will be a very serious competitor for both NVidia and AMD. I'm crossing my fingers they pull the rabbit out of that hat and kick some GPU market butt! Of course, I hope AMD does the same thing with RDNA4 and they both really rip NVidia a new one.

 

[Legacy-ZA]

Intel's got game going on! The B580/B570 are surprisingly robust and if they can kick it up a few levels with the B750/B770, then they will be a very serious competitor for both NVidia and AMD. I'm crossing my fingers they pull the rabbit out of that hat and kick some GPU market butt! Of course, I hope AMD does the same thing with RDNA4 and they both really rip NVidia a new one.

Would have bought one to tinker with, but hey, they decided $250 is magically $400, so,. no.

 

[Tropick]

People should be happy to have any at all, because they are in no way, shape or form entitled to any GPUs at any price point.

They are otherwise welcome to build their own GPU company.

Holy smokes what a take. I don't know about you but when I shell out the money that a company is asking for a product they're selling I feel pretty damn entitled to it. Considering I, you know, paid for it?

 

[MacZ]

Holy smokes what a take. I don't know about you but when I shell out the money that a company is asking for a product they're selling I feel pretty damn entitled to it. Considering I, you know, paid for it?

Selling $2,000 GPUs when you could make and easily sell $25,000 GPUs instead is charity at this point. And not insulting the future.

You should be grateful that you are offered any GPU for gaming at all is what I'm saying.

AMD exiting the high end GPU market is just another fact that further validates my hypothesis.

And Intel is nowhere near able to compete there for now. But if they where, it would be the same thing.

 

[MacZ]

This mental drivel is why companies like NVidia think they can charge outlandish prices. Why? Why did you even bother with that nonsense?

What nonsense ?

You forgot to provide any counterargument.

If you don't like reality, maybe you should ask that someone stops the planet from rotating so that you could get off.

 

[lexluthermiester]

What nonsense ?

You forgot to provide any counterargument.

No counterargument is required. Your statement was so lacking of all merit and logic that any counterargument would be completely superfluous. Your statement argues itself into the realms fanciful delusion, not worthy of any consideration. It is worthy only of being mocked.

 

[JustBenching]

For most people, this (missing ROPs) will go unnoticed and they won't request a RMA.

From my understanding, to have as much stock as possible, nVidia just allowed much more questionable quality than before.

These gaming GPUs are competing for wafer space with $25,000 AI GPUs that CEOs are having meeting with Jensen Huang to beg for having their order processed in a reasonable time.

People should be happy to have any at all, because they are in no way, shape or form entitled to any GPUs at any price point.

They are otherwise welcome to build their own GPU company. Ask the chinese for pointers, maybe.

That's not how it works. Chips are made months in advance. Many many months. This is a complete failure on nvidias part. Whatever the reason it's not a great look.

 

[MacZ]

No counterargument is required. Your statement was so lacking of all merit and logic that any counterargument would be completely superfluous. Your statement argues itself into the realms fanciful delusion, not worthy of any consideration.

No argument because you have none.

Selling something at $25,000 rather than at $2,000 is what all companies on the planet will do 100% of the time.

 

[lexluthermiester]

No argument because you have none.

Yes, THAT'S got to be it..

Selling something at $25,000 rather than at $2,000 is what all companies on the planet will do 100% of the time.

Only if their goal is to be out of business. Are you done gracing these forums with embarrassing nonsense?

 

[trsttte]

That won't work .. what about the missing performance?

Chuck it down to silicon lottery and run to run variance ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
They can also adjust boost behaviour to make the issue even less pronounced, make the loser cards boost slighlty higher to compensate and no one will be the wiser.

10% is noticeable but even with your stack of cards would you notice a 5% difference (or 4% as claimed by nvidia)?

if they can kick it up a few levels with the B750/B770

The one that reportdly was in development hell and has yet to tape out? It would be great if Intel got it's house in order but that doesn't seem in the cards short term.

Selling something at $25,000 rather than at $2,000 is what all companies on the planet will do 100% of the time.

That's a great way to become the next Intel. They have multiple market segments to serve, with different volumes and profit margins involved. Selling a 2000$ consumer GPU is not charity, it's a business decision, just like AMD selling 500$ CPU. Just like both of them pretty much not selling any new product under 200$ leaving that to previous generations. It's business.

 

[MacZ]

Yes, THAT'S got to be it..

Only if their goal is to be out of business. Are you done gracing these forums with embarrassing nonsense?

At that point, when you are so much out of touch with reality ...

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1awtso6
Gaming has become a rounding error for nVidia.

Maybe after cryptocurrencies and AI, you should understand that GPUs, the 'G' notwisthanding, are very useful SIMD processors that are and will be used for much more than just gaming.

This will continue and amplify.

 

[Tropick]

Selling $2,000 GPUs when you could make and easily sell $25,000 GPUs instead is charity at this point. And not insulting the future.

You should be grateful that you are offered any GPU for gaming at all is what I'm saying.

Okay so let me make sure I understand this perspective. Let's say you buy an car from a company that also sells larger fleet vehicles to other businesses. You then learn that the car you bought has a misfire on one of the cylinders that reduces it's performance. The car still works, but does not have the performance that was advertised by the manufacturer. You'd feel lucky to have been sold a defective product just because the company had the opportunity to put more resources towards making more money doing something else? It was their choice to sell and support the lower end product!! They're obligated to keep their word if they're accepting payment for it! I don't understand, what's wrong with being upset that you paid full price and then received a thing that wasn't as advertised? They should have reduced the price, or better yet fixed the issue, if they knew it didn't meet the specifications they advertised it as having! That feels pretty reasonable!

 

[lexluthermiester]

At that point, when you are so much out of touch with reality ...

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1awtso6
Gaming has become a rouding error for nVidia.

So no, you're not done then. Citing Reddit does not help your silliness. Cite something with actual merit and credibility or just stop. Additionally, sidestepping the issue will result only in more mocking.. Just stop.

 

[W1zzard]

would you notice a 5% difference (or 4% as claimed by nvidia)?

Absolutely, the delta between the FE and the fastest factory OC'd card, the ASUS Astral is 4-5% only, so yes, this will definitely raise eyebrows, especially when a card drops to below FE levels

 

[brianinengland]

This could fall foul of UK/EU consumer laws, which state that a product must be 'fit for purpose' and work 'as described'

If it's clearly stated that the 5090 has 176 ROPs, then that's what the buyer can legally expect.
Buyer would be entitled to a full refund under our Sale of Goods Act

 

[MacZ]

Okay so let me make sure I understand this perspective. Let's say you buy an car from a company that also sells larger fleet vehicles to other businesses. You then learn that the car you bought has a misfire on one of the cylinders that reduces it's performance. The car still works, but does not have the performance that was advertised by the manufacturer. You'd feel lucky to have been sold a defective product just because the company had the opportunity to put more resources towards making more money doing something else? It was their choice to sell and support the lower end product!! They're obligated to keep their word if they're accepting payment for it! I don't understand, what's wrong with being upset that you paid full price and then received a thing that wasn't as advertised? They should have reduced the price, or better yet fixed the issue, if they knew it didn't meet the specifications they advertised it as having! That feels pretty reasonable!

I'm saying that you should be grateful to buy a $1,000 car when this company can sell $25,000 cars all day.

If you are not happy with the quality you get, you should stop buying the $1,000 car.

See how that will do for you.

So no, you're not done then. Citing Reddit does not help your silliness. Cite something with actual merit and credibility or just stop. Additionally, sidestepping the issue will result only in more mocking.. Just stop.

nVidia being a public company, its information is accessible all over the internet.

Visualizing Nvidia’s Revenue, by Product Line (2019-2024)

This graphic shows how Nvidia's revenue sources have changed over time, highlighting how the AI boom has transformed its bottom line.

www.visualcapitalist.com

Your desperate struggle against reality is pathetic, really.

 

[JustBenching]

At that point, when you are so much out of touch with reality ...

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1awtso6
Gaming has become a rounding error for nVidia.

Maybe after cryptocurrencies and AI, you should understand that GPUs, the 'G' notwisthanding, are very useful SIMD processors that are and will be used for much more than just gaming.

This will continue and amplify.

None of that is an excuse for advertising x amounts of rops and delivering (to 0.5% of products, or however much they claimed) a numbers of rops that is smaller than x.

Yes, we are blessed that Jensen still makes gaming gpus, but that's completely irrelevant to the issue at hand.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Your desperate struggle against reality is pathetic,really.

So is your high school level of Economic theory, which is not how the real world works. As stated above, your argument is meritless and lacking all logic. It's not worth further debate. Bye.

 

[MacZ]

So is your high school level of Economic theory, which is not how the real world works. As stated above, your argument is meritless and lacking all logic. It's not worth further debate. Bye.

You forgot your arguments ... ah, yes : you hadn't any to begin with.

 

[QUANTUMPHYSICS]

Nvidia can do whatever it wants.
AMD is laughable competition.
Nvidia has a waiting army of incels with credit cards to spend whatever they can just to get one of these cards on launch day.

 

[trsttte]

At that point, when you are so much out of touch with reality ...

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1awtso6
Gaming has become a rounding error for nVidia.

Maybe after cryptocurrencies and AI, you should understand that GPUs, the 'G' notwisthanding, are very useful SIMD processors that are and will be used for much more than just gaming.

This will continue and amplify.

I'd hardly call more than 15% a rounding error but what you're not smart enough to see - and nvidia clearly is - is that the consumer market is always there. Through several ups and downs on the other business areas, consumers are there buying their stuff. They also don't require 24h 7days a week support, or custom made solutions, or long term payment plans, or any number of other requirements. They just buy their stuff, use it for a while, and then buy it again.

The data center market is booming right now - and that's not just gpu's, they also own mellanox among other providers they bought along the way - but it will dry up eventually when the AI buble finally bursts (no one seems to have any idea how to monetize it) and they have competitors mounting from all sides. They need the consumer market to keep going or they'll die when that happens.

 

[MacZ]

None of that is an excuse for advertising x amounts of rops and delivering (to 0.5% of products, or however much they claimed) a numbers of rops that is smaller than x.

Yes, we are blessed that Jensen still makes gaming gpus, but that's completely irrelevant to the issue at hand.

No it's not because :
1 - AI GPUs are prioritized big time.
2 - Therefore gaming GPUs aren't
3 - Therefore there is much less gaming GPUs produced
4 - As a result the quality suffers and/or the price of gaming GPUs increase.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You forgot your arguments ... ah, yes : you hadn't any to begin with.

No, I did not. They were, and try to follow along here, deliberately not present.

 

[MacZ]

No, I did not. They were, and try to follow along here, DELIBERATELY not present.

Yes, I understand you have DELIBERATELY no arguments, because you CAN'T think of any.