Windows 11 General Discussion

[_roman_]

Well I cleaned my main mouse. It was wet. So I used my older mouse for around a week. (mouse in working order with the other operating system i use - no hardware defect)
Until today windows 11 pro forced me to unplug the mouse.

Windows 11 pro 24h2 still has the issue with USB. As we know windows 10 had for ages the USB mouse is not working issue. (I saw it regularly at work in the IT department with different machines with different mainboards, processors, dram and mouse configurations. Very old and regularly issue. Unplug / replug the usb mouse to get it working. )
Box was maybe offline a few hours - everything was working before that.
A few hours ago on a cold boot - no usb mouse - no mouse pointer. Warm boot - no usb mouse - no mouse pointer.
But when i unplugged the usb-a cable and switched back to my current mouse I got the windows unplug event sound.

It's really hard to make a proper USB HID driver for several years. I know that bug since windows 10. I started to use windows again ~5 years ago. Not sure if windows 7 / 8.1 / VISTA / ME had these issues.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Not sure if windows 7 / 8.1 / VISTA / ME had these issues.

7, Vista and ME did not. 8/8.1 had a few glitches but nothing like the Win 10 problems. However...

Windows 11 pro 24h2 still has the issue with USB.

...I was not aware of this and have not seen it. But who knows, right?

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Click on it and show it. My hunch is that it's unrelated, but anything is possible.

It says something instance failed to start error. Most of it looks like Windows update back end task fail/ing/ed to start.

Wonder if this one maybe lol. Like a needle in the hay stack, wifi works fine as far as I can tell. Just uploaded the screeny.

Maybe time for a new windows install. You guys got me worried at Explorer.exe. (This one isn't old. But not a direct 11 install either)



Update: @Onasi nailed it on GPU driver I think. Last install was 560.xx. Driver only, DDU the old ones off. I'll be damned. Thank you.

 

[lexluthermiester]

It says something instance failed to start error. Most of it looks like Windows update back end task fail/ing/ed to start.

Wonder if this one maybe lol. Like a needle in the hay stack, wifi works fine as far as I can tell. Just uploaded the screeny.

Maybe time for a new windows install. You guys got me worried at Explorer.exe. (This one isn't old. But not a direct 11 install either)

View attachment 391627

I've been saying this since the 24H2 issue began, and I hate to suggest it again, but fresh install, from a fresh and newly downloaded ISO, might be your best option.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

I've been saying this since the 24H2 issue began, and I hate to suggest it again, but fresh install, from a fresh and newly downloaded ISO, might be your best option.

I ninja'ed you with an edit. Sorry bout that. I think he was right, was GPU driver.

Installed the current, removed the old ones. Don't smack me, was Driver 560.xx eeek. I didn't even realize it. So far so good. (Only been 10 minutes though since install lol )

 

[lexluthermiester]

I ninja'ed you with an edit. Sorry bout that. I think he was right, was GPU driver.

Installed the current, removed the old ones. Don't smack me, was Driver 560.xx eeek. I didn't even realize it. So far so good. (Only been 10 minutes though since install lol )

Oh! Yeah you did. Ok, cool! Glad you got it resolved! Tracking down a squirrelly glitch like that would have otherwise been a really pain in the goolies.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Glad you got it fixed.

Explorer.exe crashing generally is all icons and taskbar disappearing for 5-10 seconds. Wasn't sure if that was what you were talking about.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Oh! Yeah you did. Ok, cool! Glad you got it resolved! Tracking down a squirrelly glitch like that would have otherwise been a really pain in the goolies.

I never really bothered to try. And last time I really used the system for really fast benching it wasn't this install. The 14900K hasn't been abused. (yet) Kind of wanted to keep this one as the "gamer chip" did most 3D benching the last year and previous on 13700K and 14700K.

Honestly though 24H2 isn't bad. Even benching with it casually seems stable and scores/fps seem to be where everyone else's are at.

And I appreciate your guys help! I honestly didn't know that driver was so far back. I'm a dummy CPU bencher lately.

Glad you got it fixed.

Explorer.exe crashing generally is all icons and taskbar disappearing for 5-10 seconds. Wasn't sure if that was what you were talking about.

Oh lol. Yeah a task bar shut down!!! Know all about!! XD seen that a few times. millions. thousands (10s of ?) for sure.

Sometimes intentionally. Is 10K pts 8p16t raptor (no e-cores) easy to accomplish CBR20? For me was not. 6.235ghz - W10 - Explorer.exe = ended task

 

[mtosev]

Windows 11 25H2: First details on upcoming update emerge

Microsoft is apparently working on a new Windows 11 update. According to internal documents, the company is focusing on bug fixes and new features. It remains to be seen how big of a role Copilot will play.

www.notebookcheck.net

 

[lexluthermiester]

Windows 11 25H2: First details on upcoming update emerge

Microsoft is apparently working on a new Windows 11 update. According to internal documents, the company is focusing on bug fixes and new features. It remains to be seen how big of a role Copilot will play.

www.notebookcheck.net

Let us all hope this works better than 24H2.

 

[windwhirl]

New Windows 11 build makes mandatory Microsoft Account sign-in even more mandatory

“Bypassnro” is an easy MS Account workaround for Home and Pro Windows editions.

arstechnica.com

Let us all hope this works better than 24H2.

You were saying?

 

[lexluthermiester]

New Windows 11 build makes mandatory Microsoft Account sign-in even more mandatory

“Bypassnro” is an easy MS Account workaround for Home and Pro Windows editions.

arstechnica.com

You were saying?

Well, this is moronic. They have their heads up their collective backsides.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I typically am inclined to defend Microsoft because they typically are blamed for every and anything that goes wrong - even when totally out of their control. The security environment we are in now is a good example. The bad guys put us here, along with the failure of the security industry (Norton, McAfee, TrendMicro, CA and the others) to stop them after they whined and cried to Congress and the EU that it was their job to do so.

But who got blamed? Microsoft. So I get (and mostly agree with) Microsoft imposing some restrictions to truly "enhance" (make more secure) security.

The Microsoft developers and development team(s) are also good examples. Over the years, I've personally known and worked side-by-side with several developers on various public (government) and private (corporate/business) projects. And each one is totally dedicated to genuinely provide the best and safest experience for their clients/users - us.

But the Microsoft marketing weenies, on the other hand, and some of the C-level execs who set policy clearly could care less about us. Unfortunately, the development teams are not even close to being autonomous. Their hands are often tied. The marketing weenies and misguided C-Level execs control the bean-counters and control the purse strings and direct the activities of the development teams - often over the objections of the developments teams.

For example, I know for a fact, when W10 first came out with that disastrous, first iteration of Edge, the developers said it was NOT finished, NOT ready for release and should not be included in W10. But they were overruled and it was included in W10 immediately receiving total condemnation. But who was made the scapegoat inside the walls at Redmond? The developers. A similar series of events happened with W8 and its horrible UI. The marketing weenies insisted everyone would like it, love it, and therefore buy Windows phones because it used the same UI. And we all see how that went.

Anyway, I digress.

From that article,

Microsoft's Windows Insider Program lead Amanda Langowski and Principal Product Manager Brandon LeBlanc were clear that this change is considered a feature and not a bug.

"We’re removing the bypassnro.cmd script from the build to enhance security and user experience of Windows 11," Langowski and LeBlanc write in the post. "This change ensures that all users exit setup with internet connectivity and a Microsoft Account."

A feature, not a bug. I 100%, totally believe that. In other words, this change designed to limit user options was totally intentional.

But (IMO), their reasoning is similar to the saying, "The coverup is worse than the crime!"

"Enhanced security"? How? I have never seen that explained. What is typically the very first thing experts do if they suspect their computer or network has been hacked? Yank out the Ethernet cable or disable wifi!!! How does exposing our computers to billions of users on the Internet during install and before security is totally setup, result in "enhanced" security?

"Enhanced user experience"? That's like replacing a strong steel part with a flimsy plastic piece, then "marketing" it as "New" expecting users to believe it is better.

Contrary to what the marketing weenies want us to believe, "enhanced" does NOT imply "better", "improved" or that it was enhanced in a "good" way. Bad experiences can be enhanced too - in a bad way. And IMO, that is what is happening here.

Now if Microsoft is going to force everyone to have Internet access, maybe they should provide it, for free. I can't wait!

 

[lexluthermiester]

I typically am inclined to defend Microsoft because they typically are blamed for every and anything that goes wrong - even when totally out of their control. The security environment we are in now is a good example. The bad guys put us here, along with the failure of the security industry (Norton, McAfee, TrendMicro, CA and the others) to stop them after they whined and cried to Congress and the EU that it was their job to do so.

But who got blamed? Microsoft. So I get (and mostly agree with) Microsoft imposing some restrictions to truly "enhance" (make more secure) security.

The Microsoft developers and development team(s) are also good examples. Over the years, I've personally known and worked side-by-side with several developers on various public (government) and private (corporate/business) projects. And each one is totally dedicated to genuinely provide the best and safest experience for their clients/users - us.

But the Microsoft marketing weenies, on the other hand, and some of the C-level execs who set policy clearly could care less about us. Unfortunately, the development teams are not even close to being autonomous. Their hands are often tied. The marketing weenies and misguided C-Level execs control the bean-counters and control the purse strings and direct the activities of the development teams - often over the objections of the developments teams.

For example, I know for a fact, when W10 first came out with that disastrous, first iteration of Edge, the developers said it was NOT finished, NOT ready for release and should not be included in W10. But they were overruled and it was included in W10 immediately receiving total condemnation. But who was made the scapegoat inside the walls at Redmond? The developers. A similar series of events happened with W8 and its horrible UI. The marketing weenies insisted everyone would like it, love it, and therefore buy Windows phones because it used the same UI. And we all see how that went.

While you make some fair points, the fact is that microsoft has committed so many actual offenses against the public that negates any and all forgiveness for the things they've been blamed for and haven't done. The company needs a shake down and a forcible readjustment.

Key point..

Microsoft's Windows Insider Program lead Amanda Langowski and Principal Product Manager Brandon LeBlanc were clear that this change is considered a feature and not a bug.

"We’re removing the bypassnro.cmd script from the build to enhance security and user experience of Windows 11," Langowski and LeBlanc write in the post. "This change ensures that all users exit setup with internet connectivity and a Microsoft Account."

Having an internet connection and a microsoft account have absolutely NOTHING to do with security. It's a vapid, moose-muffins statement from two people trying to tow microsoft's line. This move is nothing more than an attempt to force people into microsoft's "app" ecosystem and give up one more measure of personal info.

"Enhanced user experience"? That's like replacing a strong steel part with a flimsy plastic piece, then "marketing" it as "New" expecting users to believe it is better.

Well said.

In other words, this change designed to limit user options was totally intentional.

Exactly, it another form of control they're trying to take away from the user and proper owner of the PC. It is nothing less than equal parts disturbing and disgusting.

 

[Bill_Bright]

While you make some fair points, the fact is that microsoft has committed so many actual offenses against the public that negates any and all forgiveness for the things they've been blamed for and haven't done.

Nah! No matter how bad a person or organization is, or how many times they have done something wrong, it is still wrong to falsely accuse them of something they didn't do.

In fact, it is counterproductive to knowingly falsely accuse someone of offenses they are not guilty of as it makes you look both petty and biased - if not dishonest too.

As you correctly pointed out, they have made so many blunders, poor management decisions, and actual anti-consumer actions they deserve criticism for, why make stuff up and falsely accuse them of things they didn't do? That makes no sense.

I am NOT suggesting Microsoft be forgiven for past dirty deeds. I am just saying to accuse and bash where due - that is, for things they actually did, or should have done.

If you were a murderer would it be right to accuse you of rape? No. Would you think it fair if you were falsely accused? Of course not.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Nah! No matter how bad a person or organization is, or how many times they have done something wrong, it is still wrong to falsely accuse them of something they didn't do.

In fact, it is counterproductive to knowingly falsely accuse someone of offenses they are not guilty of as it makes you look both petty and biased - if not dishonest too.

As you correctly pointed out, they have made so many blunders, poor management decisions, and actual anti-consumer actions they deserve criticism for, why make stuff up and falsely accuse them of things they didn't do? That makes no sense.

I am NOT suggesting Microsoft be forgiven for past dirty deeds. I am just saying to accuse and bash where due - that is, for things they actually did, or should have done.

If you were a murderer would it be right to accuse you of rape? No. Would you think it fair if you were falsely accused? Of course not.

I may not have been clear. What I meant is that with all of the many, MANY offenses microsoft has levied, most of us don't give a damn to sort out what is or is not something they did. Many of us just don't care at all, it's not worth our time to sort it out. It's easier to label them all evil aholes and be done with it. You and I both know you're right, but the rest of the general public can't be bothered with those distinctions. And microsoft has done this to themselves with all the nonsense they done with Windows 11, many of which have been discussed at length here in this thread.

It's absolutely sickening.

 

[iameatingjam]

I got a bluescreen on my laptop last week, and worried the windows 11 install on a unsupported cpu might be the problem.... I checked the event viewer and it happened right after windows tried to load windows update ( which is disabled ) so that kind of reinforced that idea.

But the second time it blue screened, it wouldn't boot back up, said ' no boot drive' that was actually a relief to me, suggested its just something with the drive. After opening it up, the drive had just come loose. Unplugged it, plugged it back in and tried to secure it with tape ( its sata m.2.... and there's nowhere to screw it into, had to remove that piece to put a 2.5" sata in there as well ( I don't think you're supposed to have both at the same time but I got them both in by removing the 2.5"s shell). Anyway after doing that everything is back up and running.

Its been several days now since then without incident. So yeah, doesn't seem to have anything to do with the new windows 11 install, and didn't even have to toss a drive like I was expecting. Sweet!

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And yeah I understand why microsoft makes securtity such a big deal these days, and often forces it, its because they were known when I was growing up for being very unsecure, but it was really users not knowing what they were doing.... so microsoft kind of had to start forcing their hand. I get that. But it does kind of suck for those who do know what they are doing. Also being the most popular OS (on consumer computers anyway) does kind of attract the most attention for those looking to make malware, so its a consequence of success I guess you could say.

 

[AleXXX666]

Let us all hope this works better than 24H2.

I hope all the "issues" will be "mainstream" thing, and 24H2 LTSC will be fixed to stability...

I got a bluescreen on my laptop last week, and worried the windows 11 install on a unsupported cpu might be the problem.... I checked the event viewer and it happened right after windows tried to load windows update ( which is disabled ) so that kind of reinforced that idea.

But the second time it blue screened, it wouldn't boot back up, said ' no boot drive' that was actually a relief to me, suggested its just something with the drive. After opening it up, the drive had just come loose. Unplugged it, plugged it back in and tried to secure it with tape ( its sata m.2.... and there's nowhere to screw it into, had to remove that piece to put a 2.5" sata in there as well ( I don't think you're supposed to have both at the same time but I got them both in by removing the 2.5"s shell). Anyway after doing that everything is back up and running.

Its been several days now since then without incident. So yeah, doesn't seem to have anything to do with the new windows 11 install, and didn't even have to toss a drive like I was expecting. Sweet!

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And yeah I understand why microsoft makes securtity such a big deal these days, and often forces it, its because they were known when I was growing up for being very unsecure, but it was really users not knowing what they were doing.... so microsoft kind of had to start forcing their hand. I get that. But it does kind of suck for those who do know what they are doing. Also being the most popular OS (on consumer computers anyway) does kind of attract the most attention for those looking to make malware, so its a consequence of success I guess you could say.

today I've seen that latest 11's BSOD will be BLACKsod, without QR-code (well, cmon, I'm up with it, it's stupid and I'm better "old way" with error code anyway lol). What yours was?

 

[lexluthermiester]

I hope all the "issues" will be "mainstream" thing, and 24H2 LTSC will be fixed to stability...

Time will tell..

 

[Bill_Bright]

I may not have been clear. What I meant is that with all of the many, MANY offenses microsoft has levied, most of us don't give a damn to sort out what is or is not something they did.

I understood you. And I am saying that is a lackadaisical attitude that still is not right - at least not in this venue. This is a technical support site where folks come to learn the "true" facts. It is not the NY Times op-ed page.

Making false statements just contributes to rumormongering and FUD - it does no one any good. When the new Edge first came out, remember when some MS haters claimed it did not support extensions or add-ins when in fact, it supported a whole host of Microsoft and almost all Chrome extensions and add-ins.

Contrary to what some want others to believe, not everything MS does is evil, or no good. Defender is another good example. It is an excellent security solution for the vast majority of users, and its free, and its already in there. Yet there are many Microsoft haters who will instantly bash it just because it has Microsoft in its name. And if you point out a high score in a testing lab report, there are even some who instantly bash that lab as corrupt or incompetent.

You and I both know you're right, but the rest of the general public can't be bothered with those distinctions.

And I appreciate you saying that. But while I agree, I say that is where you and I and other regulars, as advisors on technical support sites like TPU, come in. That is, it is upon us to teach and educate the general public of the true facts. And to squelch, squash and quash once and for all, those false rumors and FUD. Not propagate (or worse, create) them.

As you correctly noted, MS has done plenty deserving of criticism. And I have no problem calling them out on those. There just is no need, nor does it help readers to make up falsehoods and falsely accuse them - or anyone - of something they didn't do.

It is okay to be biased. Everyone is in one way or another. And it is okay to express our biased opinions. In fact, it is our Right to express them - in the right place and at the right time. But it is not okay to express our opinions as fact when based on falsehoods. At least not as technical advisors and especially not when we know they are not true.

Intel has made some doozy blunders, and some lousy CPUs. It is right to suggest all Intel CPUs are lousy? Same with Gigabyte motherboards, or AMD graphics. Or Honda cars. Even the king of proprietary, Apple, has done some wonderful things. There's... umm... err... - well I guess you need to ask an Apple fan.

It's absolutely sickening.

Well, of course that again is just your opinion. The "truth" is, it is a very good operating system "IF" you define an OS for what an OS really is, "An operating system is system software that manages computer hardware and software resources, and provides common services for computer programs." For a more detailed definition, readers can check out this: What is an Operating System? | GeeksforGeeks

FTR, I have a mix of W10 and W11 systems here. And I still prefer W10, which I am still using on this, my primary system. And yet I use it with Start 10 because I prefer even more, the UI and Start menu of W7 and Start 10 gives that to me.

HOWEVER, the more I use W11, the more intuitive it becomes and the more I like it (or dislike it less). But my dislikes are NOT because it doesn't work as an OS. It does that very well. My dislikes are almost entirely about the "look and feel" of the UI. The EXACT same issues I had going from W95 to XP and then XP to W7, btw. Or the old Office to the new Office. It takes time to conquer the learning curve and then things become intuitive and at least accepted, if not liked and even preferred.

I note too that users need to remember that once they pull up their browser, Word, or favorite game, the W11 UI steps out of the way - which is how it is most of the time.

That said, forcing users to use a Microsoft account via the internet is indeed sickening. I can't, and won't defend them there.

 

[windwhirl]

Well, this is moronic. They have their heads up their collective backsides.

New Windows 11 trick lets you bypass Microsoft Account requirement

A previously unknown trick lets you easily bypass using a Microsoft Account in Windows 11, just as Microsoft tries to make it harder to use local accounts.

www.bleepingcomputer.com

And not even a week later we have the new bypass

 

[lexluthermiester]

New Windows 11 trick lets you bypass Microsoft Account requirement

A previously unknown trick lets you easily bypass using a Microsoft Account in Windows 11, just as Microsoft tries to make it harder to use local accounts.

www.bleepingcomputer.com

And not even a week later we have the new bypass

We have to admit, that's funny as hell!

There is advice given in the comment section of that article that recommends uninstalling OneDrive. I do that as a rule and always have. However, given the latest problem, I'd recommend everyone else do it too.

 

[mechtech]

I think wife’s laptop got the cannot update cause the drive partition too small bug. Is there a recommended size to manually set it to if doing a format??

 

[windwhirl]

I think wife’s laptop got the cannot update cause the drive partition too small bug. Is there a recommended size to manually set it to if doing a format??

Recovery partition? I think 500 MB or so. It's what I have

 

[Bill_Bright]

There is advice given in the comment section of that article that recommends uninstalling OneDrive. I do that as a rule and always have. However, given the latest problem, I'd recommend everyone else do it too.

I avoid OneDrive ("the cloud" in general) too.

HOWEVER, for those who neglect having a robust backup plan for the data they don't want to lose, and/or for those who are convinced catastrophic data loss could never happen to them, OneDrive is better than no current backup plan.

FTR, I am 100% certain data stored out there in "the cloud" will not get lost. In fact, I am 200% certain any file I store out there will, in short order, be backed up and duplicated in many, perhaps dozens of locations scattered around the world. And I am 300% certain any file I store out there will eventually be compromised by a bad guy, and 400% certain that will be due to the negligence of those responsible for protecting it.

Have a good day.