RX 9000 series GPU Owners Club

[NSR]

the HDMI is janky on the sapphire cards (on the 9000 Series), I think they split the hdmi port in to two & if you use both you won't get the full speed of 2.1b

What makes you think that? I haven't touched the HDMI ports on my model yet so I wouldn't have noticed anything.

 

[spacer00ster]

The way I understand it is that you can't connect more than two DP 2.1 displays at the same time. You can probably do DP 1.4 or 1.1.

and if one fails (for what ever reason) you still have a spare one. But it is confusing ^^"

Gotcha. Makes sense

 

[TSiAhmat]

What makes you think that? I haven't touched the HDMI ports on my model so I wouldn't have noticed anything.

we had a threat of someone having problems connection a LG C2 & LG C4 (both with HDMI) and didn't work (Also the second port needs to take the bandwidth from somewhere)

This one: link

 

[NSR]

we had a threat of someone having problems connection a LG C2 & LG C4 (both with HDMI) and didn't work (Also the second port needs to take the bandwidth from somewhere)

This one: link

Interesting. I'm not super well informed about the specifics of HDMI/DP but I just did some basic testing and populated all of my ports. Everything has maintained the same values. DPs both still running at 165Hz, 10bpc, Full RGB. HDMIs both running at 60Hz, 12bpc, Full RGB. All are 1080p resolution. I'm open to test some things around. Disclaimer: I manually set them both to 60Hz since at 165Hz they only support 8bpc. This might be due to these old cables of mine? Again, not sure with how these things work exactly.

 

[TSiAhmat]

Interesting. I'm not super well informed about the specifics of HDMI/DP but I just did some basic testing and populated all of my ports. Everything has maintained the same values. DPs both still running at 165Hz, 10bpc, Full RGB. HDMIs both running at 60Hz, 12bpc, Full RGB. All are 1080p resolution. I'm open to test some things around. Disclaimer: I manually set them both to 60Hz since at 165Hz they only support 8bpc. This might be due to these old cables of mine? Again, not sure with how these things work exactly.

at 60Hz 1080p you will never hit the 2.1b Bandwith cap (the other person used 4k 120hz & 4k 144hz, both over the 2 hdmi ports of the sapphire card)

 

[NSR]

at 60Hz 1080p you will never hit the 2.1b Bandwith cap (the other person used 4k 120hz & 4k 144hz, both over the 2 hdmi ports of the sapphire card)
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Makes sense. I'm guessing super resolution wouldn't replicate it either.

But I won't touch 4k 120Hz for quite a while, let alone dual, so I should be safe. Shame to see Sapphire take compromises on their most expensive 9070 models though.

 

[TSiAhmat]

Makes sense. I'm guessing super resolution wouldn't replicate it either.

But I won't touch 4k 120Hz for quite a while, let alone dual, so I should be safe. Shame to see Sapphire take compromises on their most expensive 9070 models though.

yeah all good, just wanted to make you aware of the limitation (you can always use DP to HDMI converter for a second full HDMI port, but these can be finicky)

 

[tonetron]

Trying to get into this club, but in Spain is quite the ordeal. The cheapest offer (Sapphire Pulse) goes by 790€, reaching even 950€ on some shops. I guess I'll wait till this club is a little less elitist in my country

I couldn't wait more just decided on getting the nitro+ 9070 for 740€ in amazon.es
There isn't much stock or other variants but from what I could see it is where you can get the best price

 

[Kwadratowicz]

I don't really understand amd and this graphics card, I've limited to -20% power draw, added custom fan curve that is stable around 2500 rpm, undervolted card -50 mV, and after all that it still bosts over oc clocks, 3158 mhz, power draw is 270 W, and temp of vram stabilised at 82 degrees celcius. (Ah I'm using forever winter for tests, cause it uses almost all gpu even without doing anything), and after few minutes of forever winter doing nothing is still going smooth.

 

[LittleBro]

These will likely be clocked very high, I'm guessing in the 3.1-3.3GHz range for advertised boost clock, and they'll be pretty inefficient as a result at ~175-200W. I'm expecting it to be approaching the performance of a 4060Ti, but unlikely to beat it overall - possibly stealing the odd win in raster-only games with zero RT.

The shipping manifest and certification is 100% ironclad fact - it's too late for that info to be wrong, but the performance estimates are still just my guesses so take them with a pinch of salt.

Yep, saw that. I wonder where did TPU get those specs from. I still think 2048 stream processors is too few for RX 9060 XT.

The 9060 XT is rumoured to be based on Navi 44 with only 2048 stream processors. The 9070 GRE is said to have less than 3584, so it'll slot well between the 9060 XT and 9070.

With 3584 stream processors, I'd agree that it's pointless.

I don't want to argue. I saw those rumored specs on videocardz site. It says less or equal to 3584, so ... It's pretty much pointless to have 3584 with 12 GB VAM, they will most likely cut a bit from it.

These are my bets, as this differentiation provides reasonable product segmentation:
RX 9070 GRE ... 3000 - 3200 cores + 12GB 192bit
RX 9060 XT ... 2560 cores + 8/16 GB 128bit
RX 9060 ... 2048 cores + 8GB 128bit
*RX 9050 ... ~ 1000-1300 cores + 6GB 192bit (* if it ever gets released)

 

[AusWolf]

Makes sense. I'm guessing super resolution wouldn't replicate it either.

But I won't touch 4k 120Hz for quite a while, let alone dual, so I should be safe. Shame to see Sapphire take compromises on their most expensive 9070 models though.

What compromises? The official AMD spec is 3x DP, 1x HDMI. It's only ASRock that gives you more for whatever reason.

I don't want to argue. I saw those rumored specs on videocardz site. It says less or equal to 3584, so ... It's pretty much pointless to have 3584 with 12 GB VAM, they will most likely cut a bit from it.

It's not an argument.

I'm only speculating that it will have less than 3584 cores - it's only logical. Like you said, with 3584 cores, it would be a pointless product.

These are my bets, as this differentiation provides reasonable product segmentation:
RX 9070 GRE ... 3000 - 3200 cores + 12GB 192bit
RX 9060 XT ... 2560 cores + 8/16 GB 128bit
RX 9060 ... 2048 cores + 8GB 128bit
*RX 9050 ... ~ 1000-1300 cores + 6GB 192bit (* if it ever gets released)

That's my guess, too. That's why I see the point of a 9070 GRE with 3072 cores. It would fit nicely between the 9060 XT and the 9070.

I don't really understand amd and this graphics card, I've limited to -20% power draw, added custom fan curve that is stable around 2500 rpm, undervolted card -50 mV, and after all that it still bosts over oc clocks, 3158 mhz, power draw is 270 W, and temp of vram stabilised at 82 degrees celcius. (Ah I'm using forever winter for tests, cause it uses almost all gpu even without doing anything), and after few minutes of forever winter doing nothing is still going smooth.

Some of your power budget is going into voltages. If you decrease your PL, your voltages go down too, but if the card stays stable, it can still maintain boost clocks. Not every card is the same, though.

 

[Chrispy_]

Yep, saw that. I wonder where did TPU get those specs from. I still think 2048 stream processors is too few for RX 9060 XT.

Just remember that the 9070 flashed to 9070XT BIOS is scoring similar to the 9070XT with only 3584 stream processors.

So, if AMD clock the snot out of 2048 then give it ~200W it's going to scale similarly to the BIOS-flashed 9070, about 60% of the performance of the 9070XT by my estimate. That puts it in the 7700XT/4060Ti ballpark, which is fine for the right price. It's certainly going to be a significant step up from the 7600XT/4060 tier.

 

[Kwadratowicz]

Some of your power budget is going into voltages. If you decrease your PL, your voltages go down too, but if the card stays stable, it can still maintain boost clocks. Not every card is the same, though.

It's just Me and the impact with new hardware/software combo. Cause after reading reddit I found that it is normal to get really great thermals, lower power consumption, and stil get stable great performance.
Amd is just strange for me, after years of using nvidia gtx 1070 ti. And the change between 1070 ti to 9070 xt is not that substential like it was from gtx 450 to 1070 ti. (So I'm a little disappointed, but at least the smoothness is back again )

 

[TSiAhmat]

It's just Me and the impact with new hardware/software combo. Cause after reading reddit I found that it is normal to get really great thermals, lower power consumption, and stil get stable great performance.
Amd is just strange for me, after years of using nvidia gtx 1070 ti. And the change between 1070 ti to 9070 xt is not that substential like it was from gtx 450 to 1070 ti. (So I'm a little disappointed, but at least the smoothness is back again )

makes sense the 1070 ti has almost 900 % higher performance than the GTS 450

whilst the 9070xt is "only" 325 % higher (only a third of a performance jump)

 

[AusWolf]

Just remember that the 9070 flashed to 9070XT BIOS is scoring similar to the 9070XT with only 3584 stream processors.

With the same power limit, I'm guessing the 9070 can clock higher than the XT, hence the similar performance.

It's just Me and the impact with new hardware/software combo. Cause after reading reddit I found that it is normal to get really great thermals, lower power consumption, and stil get stable great performance.
Amd is just strange for me, after years of using nvidia gtx 1070 ti. And the change between 1070 ti to 9070 xt is not that substential like it was from gtx 450 to 1070 ti. (So I'm a little disappointed, but at least the smoothness is back again )

The last few generations have been power limit heaven on AMD, and I suppose on Nvidia, too. Everything is clocked to the moon out of the box these days.

And with that boost from the 450 to the 1070 Ti, I don't suppose anything will be as substantial in the future, as the gap between generations narrow down to nearly nothing.

I'm 100% sure the 9070 (XT) will be a decent card for at least the next 5 years, if not more.

 

[Kwadratowicz]

as the gap between generations narrow down to nearly nothing.

That's why I guess next graphics will be in the next 7 years, or sooner if this dies . (It will die at 7-8 years, I know because if it won't I will help it, like with 1070 ti (it was having problems with stability, but with lite load it was ok, but I've managed to kill it with llm fun and after that even lite load was unstable. )

 

[AusWolf]

That's why I guess next graphics will be in the next 7 years, or sooner if this dies .

Same here.

(It will die at 7-8 years, I know because if it won't I will help it, like with 1070 ti )

What fate did that poor thing have to endure and why?

 

[Kwadratowicz]

What fate did that poor thing have to endure and why?

First I destroyed stock fans, cause I've inserted plastic through spinning blades , it broke blade in half, then when I've noticed that it had some instability issues I've loaded it with LLM, and with UE5 game that should not run on it , and that's how I get 9070 xt xD

 

[Event Horizon]

First I destroyed stock fans, cause I've inserted plastic through spinning blades , it broke blade in half, then when I've noticed that it had some instability issues I've loaded it with LLM, and with UE5 game that should not run on it , and that's how I get 9070 xt xD

RIP. I would have gladly bought that 1070 Ti off you for a HTPC. It would be a nice upgrade to my GTX 970, which still works fine despite years of heavy usage.

 

[AusWolf]

First I destroyed stock fans, cause I've inserted plastic through spinning blades , it broke blade in half, then when I've noticed that it had some instability issues I've loaded it with LLM, and with UE5 game that should not run on it , and that's how I get 9070 xt xD

Oh. I would never do anything like that to a piece of technology that served me faithfully for years. It would be like kicking the soul out of a dog for no reason just because he's old. But you do you.

 

[Djilkosh]

So here are results as I promised. There are temperatures from HWinfo64 after tests and Adrenaline setup.
@SirKeldon

 

[InfaRedd]

Yep, saw that. I wonder where did TPU get those specs from. I still think 2048 stream processors is too few for RX 9060 XT.


I don't want to argue. I saw those rumored specs on videocardz site. It says less or equal to 3584, so ... It's pretty much pointless to have 3584 with 12 GB VAM, they will most likely cut a bit from it.

These are my bets, as this differentiation provides reasonable product segmentation:
RX 9070 GRE ... 3000 - 3200 cores + 12GB 192bit
RX 9060 XT ... 2560 cores + 8/16 GB 128bit
RX 9060 ... 2048 cores + 8GB 128bit
*RX 9050 ... ~ 1000-1300 cores + 6GB 192bit (* if it ever gets released)

Man the mid-range is so crowded.

 

[Bagerklestyne]

I'm wondering for those who have, if you had an option when purchasing what made you lean towards or away from certain cards.

Due to being broke AF I'm waiting for tax time to jump into this crowd (from a 6800XT so I'm not running a slideshow at least) but I keep gravitating to a powercolor hellhound or sapphire pure spec (so mid range of the cards)

I'm just wondering motivated people with options in the direction they went.

 

[Kwadratowicz]

Oh. I would never do anything like that to a piece of technology that served me faithfully for years. It would be like kicking the soul out of a dog for no reason just because he's old. But you do you.

It was when the card was not working properly due to low performance of thermal paste, and I was trying to add 3 fan, and I was doing it on live pc, and one of corners of fan touched blades, and that was when I learned about shabby plastics in gpu fans, cause it was not even melted properly the granules where still visible like in cheap chinese metal garbage, after that I added noctua 140 industrial, and card was running for another 2-3 years with lower temps, and quieter than before with stock fans). About LLM I was trying to check if it was for me, and card was unstable before, so it was just matter of time. (So just to be clear i like my gear, but spelling was wrong )

I'm just wondering motivated people with options in the direction they went.

I've bought Gigabyte Gaming OC 9070 XT cause of vapor chamber, but it is to hot for me still (case restricts airflow ;/ ), so I will try to do something with that, I'm even trying cachyos on arch, cause it has lower power consumption in idle than windows.

 

[AusWolf]

I'm wondering for those who have, if you had an option when purchasing what made you lean towards or away from certain cards.

Due to being broke AF I'm waiting for tax time to jump into this crowd (from a 6800XT so I'm not running a slideshow at least) but I keep gravitating to a powercolor hellhound or sapphire pure spec (so mid range of the cards)

I'm just wondering motivated people with options in the direction they went.

For me, it was easy. My system is a micro-ATX box, and my motherboard has the x16 slot in the second place from the top, so I needed something as small as possible to fit.
The PowerColor Reaper is the only real two-slot 9070 XT, everything else is chunkier. With those, the PSU shroud would have blocked airflow to the card in my case, so it was an obvious choice.

Edit: It was a lucky pick because everyone went for the more premium cards on launch day, so I had a touch more time to grab mine before it went out of stock.

It was when the card was not working properly due to low performance of thermal paste, and I was trying to add 3 fan, and I was doing it on live pc, and one of corners of fan touched blades, and that was when I learned about shabby plastics in gpu fans, cause it was not even melted properly the granules where still visible like in cheap chinese metal garbage, after that I added noctua 140 industrial, and card was running for another 2-3 years with lower temps, and quieter than before with stock fans). About LLM I was trying to check if it was for me, and card was unstable before, so it was just matter of time. (So just to be clear i like my gear, but spelling was wrong )

Still nothing that couldn't have been fixed with new thermal paste and some fan maintenance, but like I said, you do you.
Personally, I find more joy in repairing and re-using old hardware than destroying it for no reason. Each to their own.