9070XT or 7900XT or 7900XTX

[NSR]

I don’t know where you are getting the 10% but reading the 9070 xt nitro+ review on TPU it is literally within 5% or less compared to the XTX in raster . Thats 3-5 frames more on average . An OC will make up that difference

I was going off their database list, they have the 9070 XT as 10% slower on there. But yeah, it's practically the same in raster no matter how you look at it.

 

[Zach_01]

This leads me to believe AMD could have definitely made another high-end card to compete with the 5080, if not the 4090.

Of course they could but they dont want to at this point. And for good reason(s).
In order to make such a commitment and investment, on a very large GPU die size that is, you have to have some substantial market share.
Plus, and maybe more importantly, the TSMC fab allocation is too valuable to be ""wasted"" on large GPU dies.

As things are now with a 9070series die size of ~360mm² they can have 5 Ryzen/EPYC CCDs instead.
Guess what is more profitable... 1x9070 die or 5xRyzen/EPYC CCDs?
Imagine now a larger than a 9070 die, that can take up space equal to 6 or 7 Ryzen/EPYC CCDs
Profit margins are dropping like rocks the larger you go... and no shareholder would be happy about it.

 

[thesmokingman]

Nice comparison
Its impressive how the 9070XT manages to be very close at some games and even beating the 7900XTX with 66~67% of compute units and almost 15% less power.
Also FSR4 is so much better as it is shown here.
Of course I am not trading the 7900XTX but If I were on the market now the 9070XT would be very hard to pass.

I bought the 7900XTX Nitro+ for 1100€ 16 months ago (including 24% VAT) and right now after the initial super demand for GPUs last month 10 variants of 9070XTs are sold for 820~880€, another 5 for 900~970€ and a few more for 1000+€. Hopefully prices will come down more.

XTX prices have gone up from last year (900+€) and now they are starting from 1000+€.

A friend of mine begged to get hands on my 3090, so I obliged. Going red team for a lil bit and the choice is either 7900xtx or 9070xt. They trade blows imo and RT is better on 9070 but I don't care for it and it's not any better than my out going 3090 which I hardly used RT on anyways. However for my slice of games at 4K pixel density, the 7900xtx seems to maintain a decent advantage thru a lot of games. Also availability played a hand, as the only 9070xt I would want is the Taichi for the wc block support but it's OOS everywhere. But on the other hand the only 7900xtx I could find was the Asrock Phantom and it has block support, the choice is kind of made for me lol. My friend is paying for the sideways swap so its all good to me. And to be fair I'd have been fine with either card.

C'est la vie!

 

[LabRat 891]

This leads me to believe AMD could have definitely made another high-end card to compete with the 5080, if not the 4090. I mean, the XT is only 10% slower than the XTX on TPU and tests like Daniel Owen's even show the 9070 XT being favoured...I suppose this should just make us more excited for the competition for the next generation.

Not from tapped-out silicon, not without making an IF-linked dual Navi4x MCM.

Navi48 can only reliably go higher and faster with water or sub-ambient.
Maybe, Well-binned examples could've made for a RX 9070 XTX using these hypothetical Navi48XTX(H) bins, but I'm pretty sure AMD already thoroughly investigated that option. (At least, they did with Navi 10)

basically, AMD pushed that off onto AIBs.
All the 3x8-pin and 12-pin cards, are a partial performance tier up.

Leaves me wondering if AMD *did* have a 9070 XTX SKU planned, but it was so little uplift, they left those binnings to the 340+W AIB cards?

 

[Redwoodz]

There is a difference when you buy directly from ASRock and resellers like our local one.


I do have really good case ventilation and airflow.2x140mm lian li fans are directly blowing cold air in the gpu intake fans.

The thing is a little bit different here.I dont buy it directly from ASRock but from a reseller ,which gives me 3years warranty which warranty applies to them, not to ASRock.(and yes - the product is brand new directly from ASrock,not refurbished or anything like that)They also offer maintance and when u send it to them - the warranty is not voided.It's their responsobility what they do to the GPU and if something happens they need to refund me or I can sue them.On the other hand , they have warranty for this GPU to the manufacter(ASRock).
For example , I can use this gpu with melting temps until it burn out and if it stops working - they send me new one for the period in which I have warranty.So i can use it like a barbarian without worries.
As far as I know this warranty scheme applies to this reseller only If I don't register the product at the original manufcturer official website.
I don't know how the things work abroad,but here is like that.Maybe that's the reason why our prices are a little bit higher than in western countries. The "conusmer/user laws" here in EU are very strict against the resellers and people who import stuff because a lot of scams happens and you can't complain across the globe if some reseller scams you.
I am not completely sure if this is like that because of the laws or it's just reseller's policies in order to get more trust in people but yes - we do have warranty to the reseller and not to the manufacturer.Ofcourse if you want your warranty directly to the manufactutrer you can simply register your product with date of purchase and SN code on their official website and voiala your warranty with the reseller is done, ofcourse if something happens to the gpu its your responsobility to send it abroad for service and wait for months...The IT resellers here have their own services, if they can't fix something or diagnose it - they use the warranty to the manufacturer and in 99% of the cases they send you brand new part withing months.So we have an option for maintaining the GPU without
voiding the warranty.Ofcourse the reseller have to do that.
And yes, I have really good case with really decent airflow thanks to NZXT. And I have installed x2 140 bottom fans Lian Li which are blowing cold air directly to the GPU and are 3-4cm apart from it. I would replace the TIM by myself because I trust myself most ,but I would void the warranty that way :l I maintained all of my PC hardware trough the years and never had a single problem doing it.


I probably would need them for mods

Update: they contacted me from the store to notify me that they have only BULK version, should that be a concern for me ? In the website for gpu it also says "OEM"

Not unusual since it's an older card.

 

[hermesa]

Not unusual since it's an older card.

The card came today and it was used with dust buildup.And second screw warranty sticker. The warranty was described as 3 years ,and they confirmed me 2 times in 2 different calls that it's 3 years , and today when I came in the courier office on the paper sheet it was written 2 years warranty I returned it back immediately , now waiting brand new White Taichi , 100BGN more - but it's from reputable reseller and it's with 3y warranty and it's white matching my build.

 

[NSR]

The card came today and it was used with dust buildup.And second screw warranty sticker. The warranty was described as 3 years ,and they confirmed me 2 times in 2 different calls that it's 3 years , and today when I came in the courier office on the paper sheet it was written 2 years warranty I returned it back immediately , now waiting brand new White Taichi , 100BGN more - but it's from reputable reseller and it's with 3y warranty and it's white matching my build.

Good call. No reason to take risks when you're already spending a lot.

 

[hermesa]

Good call. No reason to take risks when you're already spending a lot.

I strictly asked that if it was used since I don't care about any boxes but just the gpu and BULK ver of this card is not a problem for me if its brand new unused and with warranty.Before goimg to the courier I called the reseller to ask if the gpu was used and whats the warranty(2nd time calling) ,they told me they have to ask their coworkers and will call me back and.they didn't called back... went straight to the courrier office ,saw what I saw ,called back and asked again the same things > the next reply from the reseller was like " but did you take the card or not?" I said I can't take it until you confirm if it was new or used, the woman said im gonna call my coworkers and I will notify you.I said that I am infront of the office and waiting for them to confirm the condition of the gpu(when I already saw it and knew the condition,it was obvious ) , they never called back

 

[NSR]

I strictly asked that if it was used since I don't care about any boxes but just the gpu and BULK ver of this card is not a problem for me if its brand new unused and with warranty.Before goimg to the courier I called the reseller to ask if the gpu was used and whats the warranty(2nd time calling) ,they told me they have to ask their coworkers and will call me back and.they didn't called back... went straight to the courrier office ,saw what I saw ,called back and asked again the same things > the next reply from the reseller was like " but did you take the card or not?" I said I can't take it until you confirm if it was new or used, the woman said im gonna call my coworkers and I will notify you.I said that I am infront of the office and waiting for them to confirm the condition of the gpu(when I already saw it and knew the condition,it was obvious ) , they never called back

Sounds like either they have bad communication or tried to fool you. Are you still able to return it and guarantee a refund? EU businesses are required to take returns within 14 days I think.

 

[Zach_01]

Not from tapped-out silicon, not without making an IF-linked dual Navi4x MCM.

Navi48 can only reliably go higher and faster with water or sub-ambient.
Maybe, Well-binned examples could've made for a RX 9070 XTX using these hypothetical Navi48XTX(H) bins, but I'm pretty sure AMD already thoroughly investigated that option. (At least, they did with Navi 10)

basically, AMD pushed that off onto AIBs.
All the 3x8-pin and 12-pin cards, are a partial performance tier up.

Leaves me wondering if AMD *did* have a 9070 XTX SKU planned, but it was so little uplift, they left those binnings to the 340+W AIB cards?

You are talking about an oveclocked version of the same die right?
I think you're right. This die with those CUs can only go this far. I dont think that past 350~360W (OCed AIB) you will gain anything more.

I took for granted that when @NSR said a 5080/4090 competitor, meant a larger die with more CUs. Like 30~50% more, hence my answer in post #177

 

[hermesa]

Update: Today the NEW one arrived , Taichi White , it's excellent ! brand new , in box + bundle game. It turned out that the reseller had an physical shop 40km away from me and they offer really good and rapid services if something happens. The gpu is on Performance mode(switch) taking 403W constant power when the fps in is uncapped.It have some coil whine (barely noticable) only when under full load on games with uncapped fps which gets above 300-400fps. What I noticed is that I don't have much of an performance increase in Squad than my previous 7700XT , I must be doing something wrong - yes I installed the new drivers with DDU , no thermal throttling at all - it runs pretty cool and the delta is 15C under 40-45C , it gets around 30C delta on higher temps which is totally fine considering that It was the same with my previous 7700XT. Maybe I am CPU limited now in this Squad but I won't upgrade any further or just the map I joined in the server was heavy and big. I will explore further today. Update: forgot to turn on SAM , I tried on the ''training map'' and compared to 7700XT (92-100fps with drops to 65-70 in training map) now on the same map with 7900XTX is 190 with minimum of 120-130 (average 147 on intense graphic scenes). I think that's even better than what I hoped for! Glad I choose the XTX over 9070XT for this game. Literally double the fps with 5800X3D ,and much higher than the one benchmark I found in YT with 9070XT and better gpu than mine that reached 150 fps and 100 fps with scope. In CS2 I have ~120fps increase in menu and 80-100fps increase in-game on 1440p max settings(yes I do play CS2 in 1440p) For now it seems the increase in performance is pretty solid and I am more than happy. Couldn't reach more than 50C in-gaming until now.


I wonder what this means in task manager: ''Dedicated GPU memory usage : 24.0GB'' , ''Shared GPU memory usage 16 GB''
GPU memory 1.0/40.0GB , shared GPU memory 0.1/16.0GB

I remember shared from my nvme drive some space because this was kind of a fix for Star Wars unsufficient memory error while playing. Is this have something to do with the 40.0 GB GPU memory ?

 

[Zach_01]

I wonder what this means in task manager: ''Dedicated GPU memory usage : 24.0GB'' , ''Shared GPU memory usage 16 GB''
GPU memory 1.0/40.0GB , shared GPU memory 0.1/16.0GB

I remember shared from my nvme drive some space because this was kind of a fix for Star Wars unsufficient memory error while playing. Is this have something to do with the 40.0 GB GPU memory ?

Dont worry about it. These are just numbers depending on the size of your system RAM and VRAM

 

[hermesa]

Sounds like either they have bad communication or tried to fool you. Are you still able to return it and guarantee a refund? EU businesses are required to take returns within 14 days I think.

I didn't take the GPU at all. I returned it back to them(here in our courier services we have an option ''view and test'' and every official reseller need to put such an option when sending their packages to customers only for private packages you can skip it.A lot of people report for such a practice with that particular reseller. They try to pull some of the returned for warranty service /or used items to customers and are on the principle ''If I get away with it''(they hope someone unfamiliar with hardware will just take) Also people report for the exact same ''bad communication'' where they never call you back In addition to that the second time I called them , the person from the company was only interested if I took the GPU already(somehow this person was already familiar with my case and knew that it's about a GPU item,sounds like a group of scammers gathered in a room where they have a potential ''fish and when I ''busted'' their scheme and started asking unconvenient questions about the product they stopped responding - literally what happened lol).it's my civil obligation to report to the law for their practice and that particular case because it's not the only one. By looking at their website and offers and products and If you are not experienced even a little bit with hardware you can't tell that they are such a scamers and most ppl would never pay attention that the GPU is used and that's what they hope for. They only tell you it's a bulk and to not expect the original box with the gpu, the moment when they are lying and trying to scam you is that they promise 3 years warranty and unused(new) part, when you go to pick up your item - you see different things than promised.


oh , forgot to mention that I keep my conversation with them where they convince me that it can't be used GPU and it's the last item they got from that particular model and whenever I contacted them I give them my order number and they know what is it about. It just can't be a misunderstanding or bad communication , they knew what they are sending me.
I would believe that there is some huge warehouse on some big company(like amazon) that have bad communications between them because of the size of the company they are , but this is some Bulgarian reseller with 10+ years of practice in this market that have barely 80k orders for all this time and usually here they wait for the importing companies to deliver them - they just don't need and have big warehouses and huge number of staff members.I mean yeah - this is Bulgaria , not USA or Germany,UK ,Canada. We have 1 big importer for the country of such IT hardware which serves all of the resellers.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Some of that, sounds like what Eth PoW mining opened up the world to, which would be scammers.

 

[hermesa]

Some of that, sounds like what Eth PoW mining opened up the world to, which would be scammers.

I'm not into mining , but this reseller is an official bulgarian reseller (just like the others which are around 8-9-10-15) which is mainly for selling gaming components,focused on gaming components for build/prebuilds.Some people said that the previous owners of this ''company'' did a great job , now they are different ones and s*cks.

I just contacted my current reseller that gave me the fine GPU and explained them the situation and they told me that they are partners with ASRock for many years and ASRock is not selling BULK GPUs. So yeah - this was a scam

 

[Chomiq]

If you wanna play Squad, give Public Playtest a try, that is running on UE5.

 

[hermesa]

If you wanna play Squad, give Public Playtest a try, that is running on UE5.

I just tried it yesterday , in best cases I hit 150fps , in worst case and 1% lows 60-70fps with average 110fps.(for example in Training zone in Squad official I have 180-250max fps depending on the scene , in Public testing I have 220-230 , but that's hard to tell since there are no players and much happening except the effects that are produced when I am shooting friendly vehicles and making them explode)I used AMD FSR native x1.0 Maybe a little tweaks wil the graphic settings will help me. There are a lot new settings that I am not familiar with yet.The map is really laggy and it's ghosting for some reason , and a lot of other bugs and lags that I noticed , maybe the developers are not ready with the game yet. Hope when they finish it and release it the game would give me better FPS than what I am getting now

 

[rusty caterpillar]

I think Asrock is overstating the power requirements here.

I run my 7900XTX on a 750W PSU and on my previous setup with 5900X the power requirements was higher than now

On CP2077 the 5900X was peaking at 120+W and averaging at 105~110W.
7900XTX was peaking at ~380W (382W limit) and averaging at 350W.
I saw "GPU power maximum" sensor up to 500+W (short spikes)
Total system power consumption was about 500W avg and 600W peak, measured by the PSU itself.

With current system (9700X with 150W limit) the total system power is even lower.
9700X is averaging at 85W

Your 5800X3D is very similar to my 9700X in terms of power if not better. X3Ds are way under 100W on gaming.

TPU recommends a 750W PSU for the 7900XTX Phantom and a 800W for the Nitro+ and I find those recommendations legit if you want to run these GPUs with high power limits.

A system with 5800X3D + 7900XTX should be fine with a high quality 750~850W PSU.
No need for a 1200W. This is not a 14900K + 4090/5090 system...

Entirely agree as I said before on this thread 850 Watt good PSU, is enough.

I will run myself 9070 XT soon on 750W PSU and I really wouldn't have any retention in running an 7900XTX OC even with 5x old HDD hooked as well.

My 285k is a ranky clinkle of the stinky pinkle. I like it. Plays games totally fine.

Ain't nobody downgradin a 7900xtx for a junky 9070xt. That is jaboobpy dinker dingly yo!

In the long run 9070XT will have more consistency and has lower power draw. I will trade some FPS for that myself.