9070XT or 7900XT or 7900XTX

[hermesa]

My 285k is a ranky clinkle of the stinky pinkle. I like it. Plays games totally fine.

Ain't nobody downgradin a 7900xtx for a junky 9070xt. That is jaboobpy dinker dingly yo!

I hope the 7900xtx will be the card that won't make me wonder "what it could be with 9070XT" I'll see the day after tomorrow when it arrives

 

[Aken Bosch]

I got my 3080ti by accident, not joking ( was hunting a 6900XT at that time). Forza Motorsport yells at me sometimes that I don't have enough VRAM (depending on the circuit).

I dont regret it. So bite the bullet and that's it, if it's good enough for you, internet be damned.

 

[LabRat 891]

But the xtx is faster. Why would you spend money to downgrade?

"Sidegrade". Not my first time on that, either.

RX580X 8GB -> 6500XT 4GB
Vega 64 -> WX9100
Now, 7900XTX -> RX 9070 XT

The RX 9070 XT is superior in performance for any RT-supporting title (the places I was dissatisfied with the XTX.)
-and, I got back my PCIe 4.0x4 slot, and I don't get quite so badly 'hotboxed' by my rig.

It was an appreciable upgrade, for me.

 

[korn87]

The advisers have a completely strange approach. There is a clear task, in which games there should be a decisive advantage. But instead of jointly looking for fps comparisons in these games between 7900 and 9070, here they are busy listing technologies and advantages that these games do not need. Return to reality, do not put on the scales of comparisons what should not be there. Or is the author of the topic no longer sure what exactly he wants from an upgrade?

 

[Zach_01]

It nice to have more features like FSR4 and better RT performance but I wouldn’t replace my 7900XTX for any 9070 just for those. No way!
But that’s me doing me…

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

"Sidegrade". Not my first time on that, either.

RX580X 8GB -> 6500XT 4GB
Vega 64 -> WX9100
Now, 7900XTX -> RX 9070 XT

The RX 9070 XT is superior in performance for any RT-supporting title (the places I was dissatisfied with the XTX.)
-and, I got back my PCIe 4.0x4 slot, and I don't get quite so badly 'hotboxed' by my rig.

It was an appreciable upgrade, for me.

Some of that, reminds me of ATi Radeon 9000 Pro vs. ATi Radeon 8500. Where it actually was Radeon 8500 >Radeon 9000 Pro.

 

[blinnbanir]

Propaganda? Thats laughable. You’d have a point about vram if either card was sporting 8gb, but they don’t. Everything on RDNA 4 is an improvement over RDNA 3, whether it’s the encoder, FSR, RT, power, software support going forward, higher bandwidth display ports, and so on. Buying old tech in the same performance and price bracket is a poor investment unless it’s at a STEEP discount.

But I guess it’s irrelevant as the OP has chosen.

I know that the 9000 cards have been a success. To say that they are an improvement is much more nuanced. For example what is the Power draw of the 9070XT. What is the power draw of the 7800XT? Does the 9070XT represent the high end for AMD? No, So comparing them against the previous gen high end is propaganda. It is good that they compete with them but it is not like you can get a 9070XT for half what a 7900XTX costs.

 

[rv8000]

I know that the 9000 cards have been a success. To say that they are an improvement is much more nuanced. For example what is the Power draw of the 9070XT. What is the power draw of the 7800XT? Does the 9070XT represent the high end for AMD? No, So comparing them against the previous gen high end is propaganda. It is good that they compete with them but it is not like you can get a 9070XT for half what a 7900XTX costs.

I don’t think you understand what propaganda means. The fact remaining, however slight, all of the 9070XT models offer moderate to slightly better efficiency and or power consumption.

 

[jarablue]

All I know is that I would take a 7900xtx over a 9070xt any day.

 

[Hxx]

there is no world where the 7900 XTX makes sense over the 9070 XT unless its significantly cheaper in your region than the XT or for some reason you need more than 16GB vram. They trade blows in raster and the XT completely murders the XTX in RT due to FSR4 plus runs cooler quieter and also fixes the high power draw at idle and its more forward looking for future games.

 

[DaemonForce]

All I know is that I would take a 7900xtx over a 9070xt any day.

I side with this one quite a bit. High core clock that starts where my RX580 stops and then 20GB of newer memory on top of that is an instant win for all of my gaming, lightmapping, 3D rendering and other junk as well as attempting to stream any of it. Prices have come down a bit as predicted but not enough to be attractive or stable. Along comes 9000 series. Bandwidth and total memory cap take a tumble but the raster and features went through a wild transformation, the encoder is finally fixed, not just improved enough to be acceptable competition. So if you're an editor that picked up a 7900XT/XTX around Turkey day, that's as good as it gets. If you're a creator that needs quality at unreasonably low bitrates and you miraculously sniped a 9070/XT last month, that's probably the best chance you've got. Both of these cards are interchangeable for the duties they perform but only one is attractive right now due to price. That's where we're at today.

 

[Redwoodz]

Actually, none of the cards in the title get a rec. over the 9070. It does practically everything the other cards do while consuming 100w less, running quieter, and cooler.

 

[hermesa]

The advisers have a completely strange approach. There is a clear task, in which games there should be a decisive advantage. But instead of jointly looking for fps comparisons in these games between 7900 and 9070, here they are busy listing technologies and advantages that these games do not need. Return to reality, do not put on the scales of comparisons what should not be there. Or is the author of the topic no longer sure what exactly he wants from an upgrade?

Finally someone to say it.
All I found as a benchmarks between these two GPU were:
1.9070XT with much more powerfull CPU than mine( i think 7950x3d or smh like that) which combo gave around 150fps in light scenes ,100fps in scoping(heavy scenes) and all of that on the map fallujah,which map is not the most demanding one.Or at least there are more demanding ones

2.7900XTX with non-3D cpu chip.Which is crucial because X3D gives a huge advantage in this game and the comparison can't be made.I think the CPU was smh like 5700X or 7700X, not sure but yeah much worse cpu than mine 5800X3D which have 3d cache.With that combo I saw numbers like 120fps-130 , and maybe 100fps in scoping.

In this game literally every map gives you different fps. Changing from low to epic settings doesn't change anything.Neither the quality of the picture neither your fps.

I know that the 9000 cards have been a success. To say that they are an improvement is much more nuanced. For example what is the Power draw of the 9070XT. What is the power draw of the 7800XT? Does the 9070XT represent the high end for AMD? No, So comparing them against the previous gen high end is propaganda. It is good that they compete with them but it is not like you can get a 9070XT for half what a 7900XTX costs.

even if I could get the 9070XT for half the price of xtx I would take the more powerfull one for raw power which maybe is 7900XTX.I don't need the best deal for money but the best deal for performance in certain conditions. My goals are not p/p but higher raw fps for poor games like squad.My games mainly are eSports CS2 and Valorant,some battlefields like 2042 and 1 ,Squad and Hell Let Loose ,couple online client games like war thunder,world of tanks.The last single player demanding AAA title that I played was Indiana jones on this 7700XT and the experience were pretty good.So every gpu above 7700XT's performance will provide me with decent fps for AAA titles and I don't really care about the AAA(98% of them) single player titles which everyone use for benchmarking.Do I need high fps in single player games? - No.I need at least 60fps in these SP games and every modren gpu provides them in any game at 1440p.

 

[Krit]

All I know is that I would take a 7900xtx over a 9070xt any day.

They are too close to each other to vote for an old tech even for the same price. And usually XTX is more expensive not cheaper!

 

[Chomiq]

when loading games mine peak at 100-105w

That's most likely shader compilation.

 

[AVATARAT]

I can only recommend the 7900 XTX over the 9070 XT if you water cool the XTX ! Extra money, but somewhat worth it.

1. 7900 XTX needs regular maintenance. The AsRock model, when the hotspot paste gets baked (and it will 100%, every model dries it out), if you return it to AsRock under warranty, and if they decide to do something, it will be to return you another one with less baked paste (this happened when I returned mine to AsRock).

2. The 7900 XTX needs a well ventilated case because it gives off a lot of heat, that's extra money if you don't have one.

3. The best thing you can do with the 7900 XTX is replace the paste with Thermal Grizzly KryoSheet, but then your warranty will gone. That's also extra money you'll want to pay.

 

[malons]

3. The best thing you can do with the 7900 XTX is replace the paste with Thermal Grizzly KryoSheet, but then your warranty will gone. That's also extra money you'll want to pay.

I used Thermalright TFX thermal paste, Thermal Grizzly KryoSheet and PTM7950 on my XTX with waterblock and the one that gives me best delta is the PTM7950, 14ºC delta, with 24ºC room I get 50º gpu and 64º hotspot max.

 

[NSR]

They are too close to each other to vote for an old tech even for the same price. And usually XTX is more expensive not cheaper!

The raster performance difference is so much smaller than it seems and that's really all the 7900 XTX has. As much as I like the XTX, it's really difficult to justify it against a 9070/XT. It's like if the 4080 Super was cheaper than the XTX. It wouldn't have made much sense to recommend the XTX in that scenario. This is that kind of scenario.

With that being said, OP seems to strictly want the best raster he can get out of AMD and in that case the XTX is technically the fastest card for his needs, though not by much. Hope he has fun with it at least.

 

[RejZoR]

Unless you absolutely need 24GB of VRAM on XTX, go with RX 9070 XT. I can't understand how people are still questioning this when RX 9070 XT is technologically far more advanced, more efficient and just better long term. Especially ray tracing is significantly better and more and more games demanding ray tracing, it's only logical to go with RX 9070 XT even if you say "but I don't need or care about RT". That's not an option anymore for several games and more will follow.

 

[hermesa]

I can only recommend the 7900 XTX over the 9070 XT if you water cool the XTX ! Extra money, but somewhat worth it.

1. 7900 XTX needs regular maintenance. The AsRock model, when the hotspot paste gets baked (and it will 100%, every model dries it out), if you return it to AsRock under warranty, and if they decide to do something, it will be to return you another one with less baked paste (this happened when I returned mine to AsRock).

2. The 7900 XTX needs a well ventilated case because it gives off a lot of heat, that's extra money if you don't have one.

3. The best thing you can do with the 7900 XTX is replace the paste with Thermal Grizzly KryoSheet, but then your warranty will gone. That's also extra money you'll want to pay.

There is a difference when you buy directly from ASRock and resellers like our local one.


I do have really good case ventilation and airflow.2x140mm lian li fans are directly blowing cold air in the gpu intake fans.

I can only recommend the 7900 XTX over the 9070 XT if you water cool the XTX ! Extra money, but somewhat worth it.

1. 7900 XTX needs regular maintenance. The AsRock model, when the hotspot paste gets baked (and it will 100%, every model dries it out), if you return it to AsRock under warranty, and if they decide to do something, it will be to return you another one with less baked paste (this happened when I returned mine to AsRock).

2. The 7900 XTX needs a well ventilated case because it gives off a lot of heat, that's extra money if you don't have one.

3. The best thing you can do with the 7900 XTX is replace the paste with Thermal Grizzly KryoSheet, but then your warranty will gone. That's also extra money you'll want to pay.

The thing is a little bit different here.I dont buy it directly from ASRock but from a reseller ,which gives me 3years warranty which warranty applies to them, not to ASRock.(and yes - the product is brand new directly from ASrock,not refurbished or anything like that)They also offer maintance and when u send it to them - the warranty is not voided.It's their responsobility what they do to the GPU and if something happens they need to refund me or I can sue them.On the other hand , they have warranty for this GPU to the manufacter(ASRock).
For example , I can use this gpu with melting temps until it burn out and if it stops working - they send me new one for the period in which I have warranty.So i can use it like a barbarian without worries.
As far as I know this warranty scheme applies to this reseller only If I don't register the product at the original manufcturer official website.
I don't know how the things work abroad,but here is like that.Maybe that's the reason why our prices are a little bit higher than in western countries. The "conusmer/user laws" here in EU are very strict against the resellers and people who import stuff because a lot of scams happens and you can't complain across the globe if some reseller scams you.
I am not completely sure if this is like that because of the laws or it's just reseller's policies in order to get more trust in people but yes - we do have warranty to the reseller and not to the manufacturer.Ofcourse if you want your warranty directly to the manufactutrer you can simply register your product with date of purchase and SN code on their official website and voiala your warranty with the reseller is done, ofcourse if something happens to the gpu its your responsobility to send it abroad for service and wait for months...The IT resellers here have their own services, if they can't fix something or diagnose it - they use the warranty to the manufacturer and in 99% of the cases they send you brand new part withing months.So we have an option for maintaining the GPU without
voiding the warranty.Ofcourse the reseller have to do that.
And yes, I have really good case with really decent airflow thanks to NZXT. And I have installed x2 140 bottom fans Lian Li which are blowing cold air directly to the GPU and are 3-4cm apart from it. I would replace the TIM by myself because I trust myself most ,but I would void the warranty that way :l I maintained all of my PC hardware trough the years and never had a single problem doing it.

Unless you absolutely need 24GB of VRAM on XTX, go with RX 9070 XT. I can't understand how people are still questioning this when RX 9070 XT is technologically far more advanced, more efficient and just better long term. Especially ray tracing is significantly better and more and more games demanding ray tracing, it's only logical to go with RX 9070 XT even if you say "but I don't need or care about RT". That's not an option anymore for several games and more will follow.

I probably would need them for mods

Update: they contacted me from the store to notify me that they have only BULK version, should that be a concern for me ? In the website for gpu it also says "OEM"

 

[RejZoR]

Bulk/OEM usually just means meant for further assembly, meaning computer shops and prebuilds where you don't need a fancy box, they just come in a brown box or just the anti static bag. Opposed to retail in a fancy colorful box with accessories.

 

[hermesa]

Bulk/OEM usually just means meant for further assembly, meaning computer shops and prebuilds where you don't need a fancy box, they just come in a brown box or just the anti static bag. Opposed to retail in a fancy colorful box with accessories.

the PC shop I am buying it from also sells prebuilds but somehow doesn't seems right to sell me new gpu just in static bag.Who knows I don't really care about packaging,its literally just a box,but somehow I have a feeling that something is not alright

 

[Zach_01]

They are too close to each other to vote for an old tech even for the same price. And usually XTX is more expensive not cheaper!

Nice comparison
Its impressive how the 9070XT manages to be very close at some games and even beating the 7900XTX with 66~67% of compute units and almost 15% less power.
Also FSR4 is so much better as it is shown here.
Of course I am not trading the 7900XTX but If I were on the market now the 9070XT would be very hard to pass.

I bought the 7900XTX Nitro+ for 1100€ 16 months ago (including 24% VAT) and right now after the initial super demand for GPUs last month 10 variants of 9070XTs are sold for 820~880€, another 5 for 900~970€ and a few more for 1000+€. Hopefully prices will come down more.

XTX prices have gone up from last year (900+€) and now they are starting from 1000+€.

 

[NSR]

Its impressive how the 9070XT manages to be very close at some games and even beating the 7900XTX with 66~67% of compute units and almost 15% less power.

This leads me to believe AMD could have definitely made another high-end card to compete with the 5080, if not the 4090. I mean, the XT is only 10% slower than the XTX on TPU and tests like Daniel Owen's even show the 9070 XT being favoured...I suppose this should just make us more excited for the competition for the next generation.

 

[Hxx]

This leads me to believe AMD could have definitely made another high-end card to compete with the 5080, if not the 4090. I mean, the XT is only 10% slower than the XTX on TPU and tests like Daniel Owen's even show the 9070 XT being favoured...I suppose this should just make us more excited for the competition for the next generation.

I don’t know where you are getting the 10% but reading the 9070 xt nitro+ review on TPU it is literally within 5% or less compared to the XTX in raster . Thats 3-5 frames more on average . An OC will make up that difference