AMD Aims Higher, 50% Market-share in Discrete-graphics in Sight

PP Mguire · Aug 16, 2008

Lol same ol wait for drivers game.

Wile E · Aug 16, 2008

Weer said:
Don't give up so easily. That review has mostly wrong figures, such as 260 SLi beating 280 SLi, and nVidia has the edge in Crysis so they technically still win. Although, yeah, AMD has placed 800 ALU's on a single GPU.. obviously they're going to win some battles. They did what they had to in order to win, no matter the manufacturing cost. nVidia could easily knock them out again, and they very likely will. I wouldn't be against AMD, if only their architecture wasn't so dated and they would finally move to Scalar. But this competition is great. I just think that nVidia fanboys want nVidia to come out a head a little bit.

Ummm, you do realize that it costs more for nVidia to make that huge monolithic die, than it costs ATI to make their smaller dies, right?

PP Mguire said:
Single fastest card = 4870X2
Single fastest chip is GTX280

Lets make the playing grounds more fair. It isnt exactly fair to compare 1 GPU to 2 GPUs. The 2 GPUs will almost always win in any scenario.
Lets put 2 G200 chips on a single board and see whos the winner. Im sure we'll find Nvidia wills till be top single card performance king. Not a fanboi but just stating the facts.

Sad thing is though i think we'll have to wait till 55nm process to see any kind of G200 GX2 variance.

It doesn't matter who has the fastest chip. As was stated earlier in the thread, we don't buy the chips, we buy the cards. How the card becomes faster does not matter at all, only the end result matters, and in this case, the end result is that ATI is faster, period. That's absolutely the only thing that matters for claiming the performance crown.

OzzmanFloyd120 · Aug 16, 2008

Weer said:
Don't give up so easily. That review has mostly wrong figures, such as 260 SLi beating 280 SLi, and nVidia has the edge in Crysis so they technically still win. Although, yeah, AMD has placed 800 ALU's on a single GPU.. obviously they're going to win some battles. They did what they had to in order to win, no matter the manufacturing cost. nVidia could easily knock them out again, and they very likely will. I wouldn't be against AMD, if only their architecture wasn't so dated and they would finally move to Scalar. But this competition is great. I just think that nVidia fanboys want nVidia to come out a head a little bit.

Weer said:
Jesus Christ. Where did you find such senseless propoganda?

Fanboy much?

OzzmanFloyd120 · Aug 16, 2008

Wile E said:
It doesn't matter who has the fastest chip. As was stated earlier in the thread, we don't buy the chips, we buy the cards. How the card becomes faster does not matter at all, only the end result matters, and in this case, the end result is that ATI is faster, period. That's absolutely the only thing that matters for claiming the performance crown.

I don't think anybody is capable of saying that in any way to make it any more clear.

PP Mguire · Aug 16, 2008

Ok then when the next GX2 comes out we will have the new performance king. Because the G200 chip is faster and you put 2 on one board (or 2 boards on one slot) it will be faster than 4870x2. It wont take long, Nvidia has their panties in a bunch now.

Wile E · Aug 16, 2008

PP Mguire said:
Ok then when the next GX2 comes out we will have the new performance king. Because the G200 chip is faster and you put 2 on one board (or 2 boards on one slot) it will be faster than 4870x2. It wont take long, Nvidia has their panties in a bunch now.

I agree, if NV releases a 280GX2, they will have the fastest single card. The problem is, they can't even think about doing that until they get their 55nm process out the door. By then, it may be too little, too late. Time is gonna have to tell in this round. Although it is refreshing to see ATI being competitive again.

candle_86 · Aug 16, 2008

They could do it right now with the 65nm die if they wanted to actully, Nvidia does what they want, when they want. It wouldn't be hard to make a dual PCB GX2 card from Nvidia again, the only thing they need to work on is cooling, which IMO i figured that out already

Heatpipes from bottom card move heat to HSF unit on front card, making the cooling Tripple slot instead of dual, but this isnt really an issue because most with dual slot don't use that extra slot next to it anyway, and make it an internal duct system similar to the FX5950 Unit. Nvidia could do it and do it with style

xfire · Aug 16, 2008

Nvidia is going to start looking at costs too, since they are seeing red.

Widjaja · Aug 16, 2008

Good and all being the fastest but the thing is I don't want to see either of these card manufacturers pushing synthetic benchtest cards out the door just to say they are the fastest.

Then go to play a game and you see it plays like you have half the card, weird graphic glitches, stuttering, lag spikes despite the super high fps etc. . .

Then everyone who bought the uber fast card hopes for the driver to mature when in actual fact, this is how just the card performs in games.

btarunr · Aug 16, 2008

It's funny, how when one team sees red, the other sees green (opposite team's colour).

Wile E · Aug 16, 2008

candle_86 said:
They could do it right now with the 65nm die if they wanted to actully, Nvidia does what they want, when they want. It wouldn't be hard to make a dual PCB GX2 card from Nvidia again, the only thing they need to work on is cooling, which IMO i figured that out already

Heatpipes from bottom card move heat to HSF unit on front card, making the cooling Tripple slot instead of dual, but this isnt really an issue because most with dual slot don't use that extra slot next to it anyway, and make it an internal duct system similar to the FX5950 Unit. Nvidia could do it and do it with style

I don't know of too many people willing to buy a card with a triple slot cooling solution. It isn't nearly practical for NV to release a GX2 while still on the 65nm process.

And, although opinion, you say they could do it with style, yet most people I know find the 2 pcb GX2 designs to be a kludge. Albeit a kludge with potential, just in no way elegant or stylish. lol.

[I.R.A]_FBi · Aug 16, 2008

when you compage a nvidia x2 vs an ati x2 the nvidia card seems to be more of a ghetto rig, lol

xfire · Aug 16, 2008

btarunr said:
It's funny, how when one team sees red, the other sees green (opposite team's colour).

AMD will still see red if their processor's don't perform.

btarunr · Aug 16, 2008

I'm talking about this:

xfire · Aug 16, 2008

If their CPU's don't perform the charts will start to dip but with their new IGP and the 4870x2 the chart will perform for now. Wonder if they can manage to get Phys-X support.

zithe · Aug 16, 2008

Wile E said:
I agree, if NV releases a 280GX2, they will have the fastest single card. The problem is, they can't even think about doing that until they get their 55nm process out the door. By then, it may be too little, too late. Time is gonna have to tell in this round. Although it is refreshing to see ATI being competitive again.

From what I've seen, 4870 crossfire scales better than GTX 280 SLI.

http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3354&p=7

That's old.

Ekklesis · Aug 17, 2008

Go AMD go cause this will benefit all of us...

OzzmanFloyd120 · Aug 17, 2008

I remember seeing somewhere that the 4870x2 gets 104% gains and every review I've seen of GTX280SLI shows like 60% gains.

[I.R.A]_FBi · Aug 17, 2008

up to 104% as low as 50sumpn and average of 70 something

romboi99 · Aug 17, 2008

yer nvidia are gonna eat so much shit if they don't jump to 55nm id buy 10 hd4850 for the sake of getting amd richer so they improve drivers and bring better shit out -- not so much of a amd cpu fan

romboi99 · Aug 17, 2008

and have nv moved to mixed sli
eg. 1x 280gtx and 2x 8800gt

zithe · Aug 17, 2008

romboi99 said:
yer nvidia are gonna eat so much shit if they don't jump to 55nm id buy 10 hd4850 for the sake of getting amd richer so they improve drivers and bring better shit out -- not so much of a amd cpu fan

romboi99 said:
and have nv moved to mixed sli
eg. 1x 280gtx and 2x 8800gt

What?

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romboi99 · Aug 17, 2008

zithe said:
What? ';

i was woundering if nv is able to do what CrossFireX can, like mix a 260GTX with 280GTX with a 8800GT or simuler

Hayder_Master · Aug 17, 2008

they must go more ati better now

Wile E · Aug 17, 2008

zithe said:
From what I've seen, 4870 crossfire scales better than GTX 280 SLI.

http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3354&p=7

That's old.

It being an old review can can be a negative for ATI as well as NV. NV's performance improves with drivers as well.

And that's at 1 resolution, what about some more common resolutions, like 1920x1200 or 1680x1050?

Got any more links? I'm actually having a hard time finding reviews that include both the X2 and GTX in SLI.

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