10700 vs 3700x which one if both priced almost the same ?

[JustAnEngineer]

Motherboard pricing and availability are bonkers right now, so it's challenging to figure in the difference between Intel and AMD on that front. Would the OP be shopping H470 vs. B450 motherboards?

Are there any import options that would save the OP money over the local prices? In the U.S., Ryzen 7 3700X is $280 while Core i7-10700 is $329, which puts it head-to-head against the $330 Ryzen 7 3800X.

 

[SL2]

Same CPU.

Just get better comparisons, that's all I'm saying.

"realistically" he will see the benefits of a CPU that is 10% faster minimum in CPU bottlenecked games when he is going to keep the system for 5-7 years. The 140-160FPS on current gen game benchmarks will drop to half that in 7 years time, and in that case, running at 60fps instead of 45fps will certainly be noticeable even if you don't have a high refresh rate monitor by then.

You're right. IF he gets a 2080 TI or similar, which he won't. You know, reading comprehension.

He won't be buying before Ryzen 4000, we don't even know what that's capable of. Maybe Comet Lake will continue to be the fastest in gaming, but it sure as hell won't be compared to Ryzen 3000, which makes this whole thread pointless.

And don't give me the next gen nividia argument. You can't go there without acknowledging that the prices go up a lot for each generation, so 2080 TI performance for 2070 price isn't a given.
980 TI $650
1080 TI $700
2080 TI $1000

 

[dgianstefani]

10% is average gain according to TPU. Plenty of games out there show 150fps compared to 110, which is more in the region of 20%. Suddenly though you actually have some data you care about when I make a small mistake lmfao.

60/45 = 1.33, I may not know how to count but you can't figure out division and percentages.

That's not even close to 10% but nice try, if these CPUs would maintain that 10% (which isn't accurate nor realistic even today) which they probably wouldn't you'd be looking at 60 vs 54 worst case, wow, colossal.

I bet you'll say to yourself, "man am I glad I made the right decision 7 years ago, now I'm getting 5 more frames".

Motherboard pricing and availability are bonkers right now, so it's challenging to figure in the difference between Intel and AMD on that front. Would the OP be shopping H470 vs. B450 motherboards?

Are there any import options that would save the OP money over the local prices? In the U.S., Ryzen 7 3700X is $280 while Core i7-10700 is $329, which puts it head-to-head against the $330 Ryzen 7 3800X.

If you read the actual OP, you'll see they have CPUs and Mobos already picked out. Let's not move the goalposts.

 

[Vya Domus]

10% is average gain according to TPU. Plenty of games out there show 150fps compared to 110

But the average is still 10% (not actually 10% but I see that you try and pass an OC'd 10700 as the baseline, sneaky) no matter how hard you try and ignore that, still can't get you're head around that ? Or everyone is just going to play Far Cry or something ? The way your brain functions, it's fascinating.

If "plenty" of games show 150 vs 110, then the average difference couldn't possibly be 10% mathematically.

Suddenly though you actually have some data you care about when I make a small mistake lmfao.

Hold on a second I am compiling some charts, they don't contain a 3700X though. Is that OK ?

 

[Vario]

Currently he is using DEEPCOOL FROSTWIN-CPU Cooler on his LGA 1156 and it's suppose to be compatible with LGA1200, maybe not upto the task of fully cooling 10700 but still a good initial solution.

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Should be fine, so I would say 10700. In fact thats a bonus as LGA1156 is the same hole spacing as the LGA1200. I would rather a 10700 + Deepcool versus the 3700X + Stock AMD HSF. Might be a different story if he didn't have a compatible heatsink, because I really don't recommend the stock Intel HSF unless you are doing a seriously low power build (i3 or i5).

 

[dgianstefani]

But the average is still 10% (not actually 10% but I see that you try and pass an OC'd 10700 as the baseline, OK fine) no matter how hard you try and ignore that, still can't get you're head around that ? Or everyone is just going to play Far Cry or something ? The way your brain functions, it's fascinating.

If "plenty" of games show 150 vs 110, then the average difference couldn't possibly be 10% mathematically.

Hold on a second I am compiling some charts, they don't contain a 3700X though. Is that OK ?

TPU doesn't test for 1% lows, which are basically the gold standard for CPU testing in games. The average is 10% according to TPU, other review sites have it very different. You asked for examples, I provided three current generation 2020 AAA games. Not enough? Find evidence proving me wrong then.

If you're contradicting my claims, the onus is on you to provide evidence. Noone anywhere will make the argument that the 3700x is better for gaming than the 10700, and it's a toss up between the two for productivity, yet you are the one suggesting that the 3700x should be the preferred choice.

 

[Vya Domus]

You asked for examples, I provided three current generation 2020 AAA games.

But go ahead and scour the internet to find those few edge cases when the difference is bigger than that, that's how it works right ? You find the biggest gap between the two and claim that's the case across the board. Top 10 brainded argumentation techniques brought to you by your average Intel fans.

I said this as a joke but you still insist on this, not only that you actually tried and went ahead to do that, you couldn't even find benchmarks with a 10700. You provided three benchmarks without a 10700 in them.

You didn't provide anything buddy, and even if you did the average still remains at about 6% actually by the way not 10%. Stop trying to pass an OC'd 10700 as the baseline here.

you are the one suggesting that the 3700x should be the preferred choice.

You are literately imagining things.

 

[dgianstefani]

Listen "buddy" a 8700k 10600 does better in gaming than both your prized 3700x and even a 3950x, a 9900 10700 does better than that, and a 10900 is better still. Get your head out of your ass.

 

[Vya Domus]

This is so bad, you can't even come up with anything worthwhile to say, that's what happens when you keep spamming nonsense. The 3700X is "prized" in your head solely, again you can't help but think only like a fanboy.

 

[SL2]

This thread is over.

 

[dgianstefani]

Hold on a second I am compiling some charts, they don't contain a 3700X though. Is that OK ?

Use a 3800x if you like, still going to get beaten by a 8700k, 9900k, 10600k, 10700, 10700k, 10900, 10900k

 

[Vya Domus]

Use a 3800x if you like, still going to get beaten by a 8700k, 9900k, 10600k, 10700, 10700k, 10900, 10900k

I am going to use what I want, you still can't get over the fact that I haven't actually recommended any of these CPUs ? Holy crap, it's like you live in a parallel universe.

 

[Vya Domus]

Does arguing with someone suggesting the superior option make you feel smart?

Who knows but I bet that posting charts that have nothing to do with anything and not knowing how averages and percentages work probably do make you feel smart.

You are still convinced I am suggesting that OP should definitely buy a 3700X, wow. Man you must really hate that red sticker.

 

[jayseearr]

Your still arguing with him Vya? He told others to learn to read after mistaking the 10700 for the 10700k and then proceeded to post a graph with no 10700 on it. And now he's following it up by comparing the 3800x with the i9 9900k and 10900k which are nowhere near the same price point. any credibility he had in the discussion has been slowly evaporating and now he's just starting to come off like a shitty intel salesman hurting for commission at this point. safe to say you're taking him too seriously

 

[dgianstefani]

Buy the best product for your needs. In this case it's the 10700. But yeah, keep throwing around shill accusations when you can't make a convincing argument lmfao.

If you had at least average reading comprehension you could easily see I own both a 3900x and a 8700k system... but muh intel shill

 

[Vya Domus]

keep throwing around shill accusations when you can't make a convincing argument lmfao.

Or just just keep posting charts that are missing the main object of the discussion.

Yeah, I am never gonna let that go because it was soooo bad coming from someone who was so vehement about showing "data".

 

[dgianstefani]

Go and look at two benchmarks comparing the 9900 and the 10700, then get back to me with what you see.

 

[Vya Domus]

No thanks, it's of no use, you had your chance to prove whatever it was you wanted to and you blew it. You looked at a chart comparing these two CPUs where there was clearly just a 6% difference across the board and yet you kept claiming "plenty of games are 150 vs 110" and whatnot. Basically you only cared about whatever benchmarks you found and ignored everything else, I am not the one than needs to look at anything, you are.

No one cares about a 9900 or whatever else you try and plop into this discussion, I have no idea why you keep trying.

 

[Totally]

Well this thread no longer seems to be going anywhere but anyway don't mind me

 

[dgianstefani]

No thanks, it's of no use, you had your chance to prove whatever it was you wanted to and you blew it. You looked at a chart comparing these two CPUs where there was clearly just a 6% difference across the board and yet you kept claiming "plenty of games are 150 vs 110" and whatnot. Basically you only cared about whatever benchmarks you found and ignored everything else, I am not the one than needs to look at anything, you are.

No one cares about a 9900 or whatever else you try and plop into this discussion, I have no idea why you keep trying.

I circled it to help with your reading comprehension

 

[Vya Domus]

My reading comprehension is fine, I am flattered that you care so much about me to be this concerned about it.

I don't care enough about you though to say the same. We're not that close.

 

[dgianstefani]

Is that why you keep responding to my posts? Because you don't care?

 

[Vya Domus]

I said I don't care that much to be concerned about your reading issues like you are about mine. I can talk to anyone I want.

 

[95Viper]

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