12600K price drops are making me hesitate.

[N/A]

Again with the cost that the Z690/790 DDR5 and AIO for a 150-200W carries not a steal. The CPU istelf may be a steal, but it's built on the old 10nm node. When S1851 is coming later this year, you are better off with box 15400 on 3nm and some say 2nm and miles ahead, improved IPC reverse hyperthreading USB4 and PCIE5 and all.

 

[ir_cow]

@N/A it's a pretty good deal. Plus you can upgrade the CPU for cheap in the future.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Again with the cost that the Z690/790 DDR5 and AIO for a 150-200W carries not a steal. The CPU istelf may be a steal, but it's built on the old 10nm node. When S1851 is coming later this year, you are better off with box 15400 on 3nm and some say 2nm and miles ahead, improved IPC reverse hyperthreading USB4 and PCIE5 and all.

Lot of what ifs involved I reckon. Something newer is always coming, even if it's like the "14th Gen" that of "new generation" doesn't have anything at all.

There's rumors of Bartlett Lake coming to LGA 1700 (again Raptor Cove based but 12P+0E config) and Intel adopting this socket as a long life socket like AMD did with AM4... Personally, I don't think Z690/790 motherboard pricing is too high, not at this point in time, anyway.

Of course a Z790 ROG Apex Encore costs are bundle but you don't need one of those...

 

[nomdeplume]

I will say tho, if you do end up going down that route do check some reviews of the mobo's VRM of your choice.

As you might guess by the CSM mobo in my system specs, well aware.

Again with the cost that the Z690/790 DDR5 and AIO for a 150-200W carries not a steal. The CPU istelf may be a steal, but it's built on the old 10nm node.

Exactly how I see it with being unable to reuse anything I already own except a few fans. If I did this it would be a nice PSU and otherwise as cheap yet acceptable as possible. All those contact frames and other high markup gifts to aftermarket brands add up as quickly as value is plummeting on discontinued components.

When S1851 is coming later this year, you are better off with box 15400 on 3nm and some say 2nm and miles ahead, improved IPC reverse hyperthreading USB4 and PCIE5 and all.

I did the ""400 thing. It feels like time for a new gag. Sithaer understands this is about different compromises that correct for the low points of that path in hopes of a balanced package that is personally rewarding.

For the time being V-Sync on a 60hz tv is being tailored towards with capabilities. Cache is still something I'd rather have in reserve than constantly be in a debt of.

There's rumors of Bartlett Lake coming to LGA 1700 (again Raptor Cove based but 12P+0E config) and Intel adopting this socket as a long life socket like AMD did with AM4... Personally, I don't think Z690/790 motherboard pricing is too high, not at this point in time, anyway.

I think you are teasing. Which is fine.

If the 12600KF gets close to US $100 and a few other sales align this is almost certainly going to happen before it disappears. A single tech person in upper management dealing with their throat getting parched waiting for the next glass of wine is a compromise I'm willing to accept.

 

[nomdeplume]

Late revision to thread title: 14600K price drops are making me hesitate.

After waiting on 14th gen (at least memory speed increased) I've been increasingly of the mind this next gen brings nothing I'm willing to wait X months for a mobo or pay a premium for. A few questions remain on RAM speeds I should have with parts in link below. 32GB or 48GB options only please.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KhbcQP

Editing in a few QVL listed options that were checked for retail availability across a few speeds.

EXPERT DDR5 DESKTOP MEMORY BLACK 48GB(2x24GB) 7200MHz CL34 - TEAMGROUP

The T-CREATE EXPERT DDR5 Memory's professional cooling design delivers stable performance, larger capacities, faster processing speeds, and next-level multitasking.

www.teamgroupinc.com

F5-6000J3238F16GX2-RS5K F5-6000J3238F16GA2-RS5K - Overview - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

Ripjaws S5 is a performance DDR5 DRAM memory series made with hand-screened memory ICs that passed G.SKILL rigorous validation tests. Each Ripjaws S5 memory kit strikes an ideal balance between performance, compatibility, and stability and is available in matte black or matte white aluminum...

www.gskill.com

 

[SOS_Earth]

I just keep coming back to the horror stories of 12th gen hardware failures and unsolvable issues.

As it does not have AVX 512 disabled, this processor is among the first released in the 12th series. Bought in June 2022, it didn't upset me at all.
P.S. The Ryzen 5 5600X launched with a $300 MSRP. Now it costs $150. What defect does it have?

 

[nomdeplume]

As it does not have AVX 512 disabled, this processor is among the first released in the 12th series. Bought in June 2022, it didn't upset me at all.
P.S. The Ryzen 5 5600X launched with a $300 MSRP. Now it costs $150. What defect does it have?

Sure, I'll step back to revisit original direction.

A large part of me is still convinced of a xx500 DDR4 build. Current i5-8400 and lower end board run very cool and stably in ways I would greatly prefer to sustain in the next purchase.
At this moment 14600K is cheaper than any available xx500. Mobo options for D4 really are pushing me in this direction in spite of reservations.

After too many years and too much vacillating it might be time to just buy something and go off to be happy. Warranty on cpu should be non-issue.

 

[Nater]

I built 3 identical 12600K rigs at work on MSI Z-690 Pro's. One gets absolutely abused with heat as it's on the shop floor, and it reaches well over 90°F ambient in the summers.

No hiccups to speak of.

I saw people are scooping up 5700X3D tray CPU's on aliexpress for under $140.

 

[rethcirE]

MSi PRO Z690-A WiFi DDR5
Intel i9-12900K
G.Skill RipJawz 16GBx2 6000MHz DDR5

$333 Bundle

Purchased last year from MicroCenter. Each componenet essentially $111. Easily overclocked out of the box on LianLi Gallahad II AIO to 5.2GHz Pcore 4.0 Ecore, 4.5 Ring, "essentially" a KS spec with some tuning. Ran for about a year now and absolutely no regrets. The whole build (all LianLi, see Signature) came in around $1500. It was a steal then.

All that to say; I had no fears getting a 12th gen last year and still would now if I were on a budget.

 

[nomdeplume]

All that to say; I had no fears getting a 12th gen last year and still would now if I were on a budget.

The budget concern is feeding $$$$ into business entities operating with no consumer interests. $400 15th gen i5-K?

Coming from a chip that can only run low speed DDR4 I'm also quite heavily adverse to a new build that can only run low speed DDR5. My understanding is 14th gen is where the scale tips in favor of actually making use of DDR5 while new games are optimized for it.

 

[N/A]

No, 15Th I5 KF $250 6C+8E no bug infested H-Threading low IPC split to oblivion. Mobo same $, Ram Same $. Suggest buy a 5600 single 32 GB then another. and a 2TB Pcie.4

 

[nomdeplume]

No, 15Th I5 KF $250 6C+8E no bug infested H-Threading low IPC split to oblivion. Mobo same $, Ram Same $. Suggest buy a 5600 single 32 GB then another. and a 2TB Pcie.4

Though I appreciate a more modern endorsement. We have rumors and suspect leaks of benchmarks at this point. No solid evidence of gaming performance on retail cpu with verified system composition/settings. Two weeks and three days from now we'll have at least some idea. As well as suggested pricing and if it is respected.

 

[N/A]

If it seems worth it then it probably isn't, a variant of too good to be true. It just looks that way, and there's a catch, and I'll never know exactly what the catch is before it's too late.
The limited offer seems to have expired now, although it still remains very good in my country.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

I'm using 12700K with a Z690 on Windows 11 as my main desktop. No problems to report day in and day out.

Same here, not a single problem since Nov 2021.

 

[stahlhart]

Have a 12600K here in a secondary Z690 DDR4 build, and it's an absolute beast. Overclock is OCCT stable and boosts to 5,000, 4,700 all core, pairs really nicely with the 3070Ti, and laughs at 13th and 14th gen degradation issues. Purchased new in November 2021.

$150 for it is an absolute steal.

 

[dirtyferret]

I'm using 12700K with a Z690 on Windows 11 as my main desktop. No problems to report day in and day out

no problems on my 12600k, I can't even recall reading an article on problems. This thread seems based on "alternative facts"

 

[Vayra86]

Sure, I'll step back to revisit original direction.

A large part of me is still convinced of a xx500 DDR4 build. Current i5-8400 and lower end board run very cool and stably in ways I would greatly prefer to sustain in the next purchase.
At this moment 14600K is cheaper than any available xx500. Mobo options for D4 really are pushing me in this direction in spite of reservations.

After too many years and too much vacillating it might be time to just buy something and go off to be happy. Warranty on cpu should be non-issue.

I wouldn't directly spend big on a last gen hardware based platform. Either it comes dirt cheap or not at all. Dirt being 2nd hand cheap, not some 20% discount.

DDR5 has longevity, yes you spend a bit more, but you're buying midrange. If you're looking at a DDR4 build to just ride it until its dead or obsolete, yeah, that'll work, but you'll be wanting performance in due time and you'll bite the DDRx price bullet again. If you want a midrange build and later upgrade to something better to keep that DDR5 going longer, that's only possible by jumping on it now - or you'll be in the same situation as you are now, 5-7 years later.

 

[nomdeplume]

I wouldn't directly spend big on a last gen hardware based platform. Either it comes dirt cheap or not at all. Dirt being 2nd hand cheap, not some 20% discount.

Very true, typically. After some years of looking at this I'm drawing a large question mark if well reasoned common sense follows this line of thought. You are certainly aware the used market is not overflowing with desirable last gen hardware. Which you are probably equally aware I'd pursue.

The largest hurdle is finding a quality mobo either used for D4 or new for D5. Especially mATX. No fishbowl or other downgrade has impelled changing cases.

DDR5 has longevity, yes you spend a bit more, but you're buying midrange. If you're looking at a DDR4 build to just ride it until its dead or obsolete, yeah, that'll work, but you'll be wanting performance in due time and you'll bite the DDRx price bullet again. If you want a midrange build and later upgrade to something better to keep that DDR5 going longer, that's only possible by jumping on it now - or you'll be in the same situation as you are now, 5-7 years later.

When I bought current build it was an enjoyable experience without any guesswork. 45 seconds to decide only other in store option using low end Z mobo/K cpu was less desirable than what I chose. Easy peazy.

This is motivating beyond 99% of what I've seen. Very similar to the flexible array of ports and board components that inspired what I own. Worth spending another $20 for Clear CMOS button and SATA ports eating into lanes, probably not. For gaming the VRM should be... not awful.

I'd appreciate any suggestions for RAM to crossreference against QVL. Meaning a rough guess at what to pair with this mobo using 14th gen for undebatable increase to memory performance and cache size.

V-Sync will probably lower memory usage and temps beyond active cooling I plan to use. Cool, stable, tuned - happy.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

I wouldn't directly spend big on a last gen hardware based platform. Either it comes dirt cheap or not at all. Dirt being 2nd hand cheap, not some 20% discount.

DDR5 has longevity, yes you spend a bit more, but you're buying midrange. If you're looking at a DDR4 build to just ride it until its dead or obsolete, yeah, that'll work, but you'll be wanting performance in due time and you'll bite the DDRx price bullet again. If you want a midrange build and later upgrade to something better to keep that DDR5 going longer, that's only possible by jumping on it now - or you'll be in the same situation as you are now, 5-7 years later.

Look at the price of some old hardware on eBay, crazy some of it. I'd pay a good price for good last gen/s hardware. Imo intel 12th gen stuff is still pretty good.
As for DDR4, I'll keep mine till it's dead then switch to something using DDR5 if I haven't already done a jump to Arrow Lake.

 

[nomdeplume]

Look at the price of some old hardware on eBay, crazy some of it. I'd pay a good price for good last gen/s hardware. Imo intel 12th gen stuff is still pretty good.
As for DDR4, I'll keep mine till it's dead then switch to something using DDR5 if I haven't already done a jump to Arrow Lake.

I only started really looking around 13th gen/X3D. At Z390+K which shocked by going for original retail or above for poor used examples. Impact on market for newer goods was predictable.


I have not moved on anything due to lacking personal satisfaction of two questions.

1. Generalized impact of microcode update on cpu/mb behaviors since it's delivered through BIOS.
2. Where to place my initial investigations into RAM speeds.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

I only started really looking around 13th gen/X3D. At Z390+K which shocked by going for original retail or above for poor used examples. Impact on market for newer goods was predictable.


I have not moved on anything due to lacking personal satisfaction of two questions.

1. Generalized impact of microcode update on cpu/mb behaviors since it's delivered through BIOS.
2. Where to place my initial investigations into RAM speeds.

I'm still on my 12700k/z690/ddr4 4000c16 B die. it still does the job for me, and can always stick a 13/14th in it if i don't bother with AM5/Arrow lake.

 

[nomdeplume]

My long dormant enthusiast interest is being slowly piqued. All still depends on successfully answering primary question regarding cpu and BIOS that could be immediate dead end. Currently investigating base MSI B760 BIOS functionality for undervolting and other deeper settings likely to be very important with this gen of Intel.

Question two above, worth of investigation into 6000 or above memory, passed reasonable doubt based on Asian reviewer's use of auto programming settings below. Other than latency, which someone might correct me would ideally be less than 10 ns. Manual settings could be very worthwhile or less effective on B board.

 

[phanbuey]

My long dormant enthusiast interest is being slowly piqued. All still depends on successfully answering primary question regarding cpu and BIOS that could be immediate dead end. Currently investigating base MSI B760 BIOS functionality for undervolting and other deeper settings likely to be very important with this gen of Intel.

Question two above, worth of investigation into 6000 or above memory, passed reasonable doubt based on Asian reviewer's use of auto programming settings below. Other than latency, which someone might correct me would ideally be less than 10 ns. Manual settings could be very worthwhile or less effective on B board.

View attachment 366787

56NS for a 13700K is very good.

 

[jallenlabs]

I have run a bunch of 12th gen in several motherboards since they came out, and never had an issue. 12600kf, 3x 12700k, 12700kf and 12900k. Boards from ASUS, ASRock, MSI and Gigabyte. Because they are a great value now, I just keep buying em. With a lil tweaking, they still run very fast and do all the things I need to go, whether gaming, editing or anything else.

 

[nomdeplume]

No OC, hyperthreading, or reuse of current mobo. Has large multithreaded gains over last gen.
Attempt to seriously consider CU turned up some humorous anecdotal evidence.

No, 15Th I5 KF $250 6C+8E no bug infested H-Threading low IPC split to oblivion. Mobo same $, Ram Same $. Suggest buy a 5600 single 32 GB then another. and a 2TB Pcie.4

At release this looks more $320 for i5K, $260+ ASRock mATX Z890, plus bootable single stick of RAM to be replaced in X months when dust settles on best 2* 24GB or 32GB option.

Reads like the menu at an overrated restaurant that requires a complicated starter order before serving up a large block shaped entree that might reignite while being consumed.