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The difference between the two tests is not huge, but power does increase by 16.1W from 81.83W to 97.93W and temperature rises by 18C from 53C to 71C. The full set of AIDA64 stress tests does push your CPU hard and I don't see any point running it for too long. No point in breaking your PC if it's your only machine.
I did even much worse when was in process of searching the faulty part, among the other tests I turned on OCCT's Power test and I was lucky not to burn the whole PC. That test increased almost all parts temperature to 85℃, luckily I was watching and had Core Temp running in the tray and noticed those numbers there, also got beep sound and turned it off quickly. OCCT's Power test is really dangerous, I didn't know at that time.
power does increase by 16.1W from 81.83W to 97.93W and temperature rises by 18C from 53C to 71C
Is overclocking worth then?! I think it depends the purpose of PC usage.
Removing junk files from your disk drive will not speed things up, especially if they're on the SSD
Well, this is a bit disputable. In my experience I have seen some viruses/potentially unwanted programs throwing their parts in temp folder and I remember - once it even created running process from the temp folder.
I'd advise against defragging an SSD.
I agree, SSD have it's own trim. Also I did data erase with Samsung magician a couple of times but bad thing about this is that it says "the disc is in frozen state, disconnect SSD power cable and then reconnect back", that's really annoying.
Disabling unnecessary programs from loading when Windows boots up (using the Startup tab in Task Manager) can improve OS loading times marginally and reduce the background tasks slightly. It's amazing what clutter accumulates when the OS installation is several years old.
Yep. Not only for speed improvement but also for security and other reasons but this is different topic :)

To improve Windows Desktop refresh times with really old GPUs, I tweak 'Performance Options' as shown below. Search for "Adjust the appearance and performance of Windows" to reach this setting. What you lose in fancy screen animations, you gain with improved Desktop redraw times, but it won't make your games run faster. For that you'll more powerful GPU.
Yep, I also know this since Windows 7 you could disable Aero to improve something but I never done that, I like those settings and as you mentioned it won't help in games.
 
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amrgul said: That test increased almost all parts temperature to 85℃
I checked the spec for your Ryzen 2600 on the CPU World web site and it shows the Maximum Junction Temp is 95C, the same as my 7950X. At 85C you're still 10 degrees below the maximum temp and the the built-in thermal throttling mechanism should (hopefully) reduce the voltage/current levels to prevent damage. I've seen my 7950X pinned at the 95C limit during long Handbrake video conversions.

amrgul1 said: Is overclocking worth then?!

I overclock many of my old systems to get a worthwhile improvement in speed, e.g. quad-core i5-4760K (3.4GHz stock) has a 4.3GHz overclock; dual-core Intel Pentium G3258 (3.2GHz stock) has a 4.1GHz overclock. These are not particularly high overclocks because I limit these two CPUs to a manual Vcore of 1.25V, well below the "safe" limits up around 1.35 to 1.40V. Above 1.5V these CPUs will die unless running on Liquid Nitrogen cooling down near -176C.

I haven't overclocked my new Ryzen 7950X yet with CPB or PBO (see below) but I have seen my CPU pinned at 95C during long Handbrake video conversions. The 7950X is designed to run at 95C 24/7 and the Intel i9-13900K runs at 100C 24/7. Both CPUs boost their clock frequencies as high as possible when pushed really hard, consistent with not exceeding the 95/100C limit. The more heat you can pull out of these CPUs, e.g. large water cooling or chiller system, the faster they'll clock. I'm happy with the slightly reduced performance of large air coolers such as the Noctua NH-D15.

Core Performance Boost (CPB) allows the Ryzen processor to run faster than its rated frequency when below maximum power, temperature, and current specifications.
Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO) allows the Ryzen processor to run beyond the defined voltage values to the limits of the board, and allows it to boost at higher voltages for longer durations than default.

amrgul1 said: I have seen some viruses/potentially unwanted programs throwing their parts in temp folder

I hadn't considered that particular "nasty" but my computers are normally clean (fingers crossed). I run regular scans on all my boot drives using anti-virus software, followed by a Malwarebytes and/or Kaspersky Rescue Disk to check for viruses. For my sins, I also use the much maligned CCleaner to delete unwanted files, including those in the Windows Temp folder. I run my web browser in Sandboxie-Plus to reduce the chance of web-bourne infections.

Any software I'm suspicious of is first installed in Windows Sandbox or a Hyper-V Virtual Machine on a "sacrificial machine", before it's deemed safe to install on a more important computer. I upload any dubious installation files to VirusTotal.com from inside the Windows Sandbox before running them. If VirusTotal shows multiple detections, I close the Sandbox and erase the source files with Eraser.

N.B. You need to enable Virtualization in your computer's UEFI/BIOS to use Microsoft's Sandbox/Hyper-V. With Virtualization switched on, Windows Sandbox and Hyper-V can then be enabled in Windows 10/11 Professional, but you may have problems if you only have Windows Home. I think Windows Sandbox can be added to Windows 11 Home Edition, but I'm not sure about Windows 10 Home.

amrgul1 said: I did data erase with Samsung magician a couple of times
I've not been brave enough to wipe any of my SSDs with the manufacturers' utilities. I've had a Kingston 120GB SATA SSD die on me for no obvious reason during partitioning and I'm not going to mess with the three M.2 NVMe drives in my new rig. The first M.2 drive is for OS/programs, the second M.2 is a "scratch" disk to speed up video editing, the third M.2 holds working files. On completion the 11GB video files are transferred to separate hard disk drives (2 x 8TB, 1 x 6TB and 2 x 4TB). Backups and archives then go to LTO4 tape.
 
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I limit these two CPUs to a manual Vcore of 1.25V, well below the "safe" limits up around 1.35 to 1.40V.
D.O.C.P. set mine to 1.35v when I set 2800MHz ram frequency. Do you think I should change it to 1.25?
 
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D.O.C.P. set mine to 1.35v when I set 2800MHz ram frequency. Do you think I should change it to 1.25?
If you use D.O.C.P (Default) it will use the voltage, timings and memory speed as specified in the XMP profile.

If the modules are rated for 1.35v, dont lower it since you will endager the stability of your system.
Why do you also set a different memory speed? Keep all the memory settings on AUTO and use the XMP profile.
 
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Why do you also set a different memory speed? Keep all the memory settings on AUTO and use the XMP profile
If I set memory frequency to auto it drops to 2133MHz. After if I enable D.O.C.P. or D.O.C.P. Standard, it sets frequency to - 3000MHz which is over that my Cpu supports, Cpu supports only 2933MHz, That's why I manually set it to - 2800MHz.
 
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If I set memory frequency to auto it drops to 2133MHz. After if I enable D.O.C.P. or D.O.C.P. Standard, it sets frequency to - 3000MHz which is over that my Cpu supports, Cpu supports only 2933MHz, That's why I manually set it to - 2800MHz.
No wories, 3000MHz will be fine with two dimms installed.

I achieved the following with the AMD processors I owned:
CPUOfficial supportedMemory speed I was running 24/7Outside the official specification
AMD Ryzen 5 1600XUp to 2666MHz3466MHz with 2 dimms / 2933MHz with 4 dimms800MHz (2 dimms) / 267MHz (4 dimms)
AMD Ryzen 7 3700XUp to 3200MHz3600MHz with 4 dimms400MHz
AMD Ryzen 9 5900XUp to 3200MHz3733MHz with 4 dimms533MHz
 

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Dang it - if you'd found our Zen garden clubhouse we could have had this sorted some time ago
Having an A320 board and a 2000 series ryzen means you simply can not run high RAM speeds, despite the motherboard offering the options to do so


I don't have an image on-hand for ryzen 2000, but these are the official AMD specs for the original 1000 series


Ryzen 7 Press Deck-18_575px.jpg


The problem is not the motherboard or the memory - it's the memory controller inside the CPU, specifically the SoC.

Since the SoC is shared hardware with PCI-E lanes, USB, SATA and infinity fabric, errors can be seemingly random and unrelated, and memory testing often passes fine with issues occuring at low load or the transition from lower load to higher load (simply a power draw increase, too fast for the SoC to keep up)
This is also the common cause of the USB dropouts common on early ryzen setups, future boards worked on reducing the voltage drops and future CPU's raised the default SoC voltage

Quite often you can simply raise the SoC voltage in the BIOS and solve these issues or reduce them, but with an entry level motherboard and 2000 series CPU 3200MT/s will be your maximum you can achieve with two single rank sticks

Your first post gave zero information on the RAM, so no one focused on that. People can only output answers with the information you share.
I see, thanks.


I also plan to add heatsinks to them when I resolve this problem.



Both identical, Patriot Signature Line 2*8gb PSD48G266681

View attachment 285321 View attachment 285322
Scrolling on down, we find zentimings showing what you're currently running - and a model name for the RAM
Patriot Signature Line DDR4 8GB 2666MHz (PC4-21300) UDIMM Memory Module 1.2 Volt with Heatshield : Amazon.com.au: Computers

2667MT/s with 19-19-19-43 timings - you're running slightly slower than this, but that may be the board adjusting things for stability or perhaps you did that manually.
Certain stability features on ryzen do not work (or disable automatically) below 2667MT/s, Gear Down mode is one of them. This feature changes odd-number timings (like your RAM has) to even numbers

This was not a feature always available and was introduced in Agesa 1.0.0.6 in motherboard BIOS updates - your zentimings screenshot showed this is active, but you may still get better stability rounding all those values up to even (19-19-19-43 to 20-20-20-44)
Memory OC Showdown: Frequency vs. Memory Timings - AMD Community (archive.org)

The only result of concern there is your SoC voltage is unusually low
Googling isn't finding me a default SoC voltage as it seems to vary a little by motherboard, but none of my AM4 systems default below 0.95v, with 1.10 to 1.15v needed for some of the RAM setups
(Not all are as high speed as my main PC)

My ryzen 3700x system requires 1.05v for 3200, so that's likely a good starting point since it will droop under load.
Raise it in small steps every time you have a crash until they stop - but don't exceed 1.20v on the SoC voltage. (The name itself may vary in your BIOS, VSOC, SoC voltage, etc)
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If you can't change the SoC voltage, then set the timings manually to even values and try 2400 then 2133, and see if that helps.
 

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Thanks for all this guide but I already changed to new pair Corsairs and don't have energy left to test old Patriots again. There is Ram voltage but I couldn't find VSOC, maybe I searched badly. Will leave Corsairs on 2800MHz to be on safe side, I don't need more.
 

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Thanks for all this guide but I already changed to new pair Corsairs and don't have energy left to test old Patriots again. There is Ram voltage but I couldn't find VSOC, maybe I searched badly. Will leave Corsairs on 2800MHz to be on safe side, I don't need more.
If it's stable it's stable - and this information might prove useful to know in the future, so you can re-use that RAM

Reading the manual this board defaults to "EZ" mode that hides most settings, F7 enables advanced mode

Looks like that board has the "DOCP" with two options, i believe one of those will enable manual settings - but the one youtube video i've found showing the BIOS, didnt actually pick them to see what enabled
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On the modern BIOSes, AMD have included "AMD overclocking" sections that include settings like this for SoC voltage if the board maker didn't - but the board makers option always has priority, so if the asus one says 1.0v and the AMD one says 1.2v, it'll run 1.0v
 
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On the modern BIOSes, AMD have included "AMD overclocking" sections that include settings like this for SoC voltage if the board maker didn't - but the board makers option always has priority, so if the asus one says 1.0v and the AMD one says 1.2v, it'll run 1.0v
Yeah, I see. AI Overclock Tuner only appeared with Corsair, with Patriots it wasn't there. Both those D.C.C.P profiles set memory frequency to - 3000MHz and both allow to manually change that. I read on Amd forum that difference between them is that Standard shouldn't use frequency more than Cpu supports. There is search box on Bios and when I searched for Vsoc and Soc, I get 2 results, one of them was "SOC Overclock Vid". Maybe this is the same as VSOC but I was not sure. If I could find that and increase, maybe that would solve the problem with Patriots ram.
 

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Yeah, I see. AI Overclock Tuner only appeared with Corsair, with Patriots it wasn't there. Both those D.C.C.P profiles set memory frequency to - 3000MHz and both allow to manually change that. I read on Amd forum that difference between them is that Standard shouldn't use frequency more than Cpu supports. There is search box on Bios and when I searched for Vsoc and Soc, I get 2 results, one of them was "SOC Overclock Vid". Maybe this is the same as VSOC but I was not sure. If I could find that and increase, maybe that would solve the problem with Patriots ram.
VID is the requested voltage, instead of the actual voltage. Think of it as a "dumb" request that doesn't care if the output is exactly that.
The BIOS will have a list of VID and MHz values tied together for the CPU, so if you raised or lowered VID you'd alter clock speed too - this is why static voltages disable boost on ryzen, but offsets dont.

Voltage offsets manipulate voltage seperate to VID, they'll tell the CPU that it's getting 1.20VID when it's getting 1.18v and it'll run the clock speed associated with 1.20vid, without checking the actual voltage.


In other words both will work, they just might give slightly different voltages in reality - software like Zentimings or HWinfo would show you.
You likely found one setting from the board vendor, and one from AMD - use the board vendor one first.
 
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