3060ti 8gb vs 3060 12gb

[oxrufiioxo]

I haven't seen anybody talk about 4K before you mentioned it. It is still a niche market segment that doesn't concern most gamers. Not to mention, OP has a 1440p screen according to their profile.

Still doesn't make buying a 500+ gpu that will lose to a lower tiered sku any better regardless of how niche that may be.

 

[AusWolf]

Still doesn't make buying a 500+ gpu that will lose to a lower tiered sku any better regardless of how niche that may be.

So I shouldn't buy X graphics card for playing at 1080p/1440p because it loses to Y card in 4K? That doesn't make any sense.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

So I shouldn't buy X graphics card for playing at 1080p because it loses to Y card in 4K? That doesn't make any sense.

A higher tier sku shouldn't be losing to a lower tiered one in any circumstance you don't pay more for less.... 1080p gpu should not be 500+ either but what you do with your own wallet is your choice everyone has to do their own research and make a choice the 20 series was garbage as far as progress from pascal but a lot of people own them even me.

 

[Frick]

Still doesn't make buying a 500+ gpu that will lose to a lower tiered sku any better regardless of how niche that may be.

It probably won't though.

That's the whole point though, Nvidia cheaped out on the 3060 Ti giving it less Vram than their much weaker 3060 while making the 3070 and 3080 look even worse as under the 3080 ti the weakest 30 series card has the most vram on Desktop. They partly didn't have a choice because 6GB is no longer enough and really shouldn't be on any 300+ usd card anyways but that still doesn't excuse Nvidia from cheaping out on higher tiered variants.

When looking at msrp there has been no progress in Vram amounts since Pascal other than the 3060 which only has 12GB because 6GB would have looked terrible. Half Decade with zero progress from the green team is just sad.

Everyone has got to decide with their own wallet though and at least for me I would expect more vram at a given price bracket generation to generation.....

+1 to all of this. The RTX3060ti would have made a good <€400 card (with the downside To Little VRAM), but that isn't what reality looks like right now.

 

[AusWolf]

A higher tier sku shouldn't be losing to a lower tiered one in any circumstance you don't pay more for less....

It doesn't matter. What matters is what you use it for. I've got a 1080p monitor, so if it's better at 1080p, I'll buy it. I couldn't care less about 4K performance.

1080p gpu should not be 500+ either

That I agree with, but it is what it is, unfortunately. You can take it or leave it.

the 20 series was garbage as far as progress from pascal but a lot of people own them even me.

The 20 series was about the introduction of raytracing and the tensor cores. Nothing more. If you think about it, the 30 series is garbage too, as it basically has the same performance/watt ratio as the 20 series.

 

[dirtyferret]

My gut feeling is that by the time we can say for certain that 8 GB VRAM isn't enough anymore, the pure computational power of the 3060 won't be enough, either, regardless of its 12 GB VRAM.

This, end of debate.

 

[Bomby569]

It has a demo? I didn't know! Downloading it now...

It does, but honestly it doesn't represent the game that impressively. It's good to check the gameplay not the game itself. Game is very very good. sorry for the offtopic

 

[AusWolf]

It does, but honestly it doesn't represent the game that impressively. It's good to check the gameplay not the game itself. Game is very very good. sorry for the offtopic

It's not off. I downloaded it mainly for testing purposes.

Like I mentioned, it runs fine with a stable 40 fps at 1080p max settings on my 2070. VRAM usage pegged at 8 GB isn't an issue.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

It doesn't matter. What matters is what you use it for. I've got a 1080p monitor, so if it's better at 1080p, I'll buy it. I couldn't care less about 4K performance.


That I agree with, but it is what it is, unfortunately. You can take it or leave it.


The 20 series was about the introduction of raytracing and the tensor cores. Nothing more. If you think about it, the 30 series is garbage too, as it basically has the same performance/watt ratio as the 20 series.

And people should always buy what feels best to them in their given price range as it is what it is... Doesn't mean I'm going to agree that Nvidia didn't cheap out... I mean they already saved money going with Samsung 8nm as it is the whole ampere linup likely would have been much better on TSMC 7nm.

I would've liked to see how much better a 3090 class product on it would have been.

The biggest problem with the 20 series was RT was a bust for almost a year and it took them almost 2 years to get DLSS in a usable state.... I think I can count on one hand how many RT games I played on my 2080 ti before it was replaced and that was the only card that was better than Pascal but Nvidia made sure we paid for it... I semi give them a pass becuase you have to start someone developers aren't going to make games RT compatible until we have cards capable of it..... Although I feel the same about Vram if developers have more of it and can target it we will get games with much higher resolution textures a lot of games still compress the shit out of them.

 

[AusWolf]

Although I feel the same about Vram if developers have more of it and can target it we will get games with much higher resolution textures a lot of games still compress the shit out of them.

If it means I won't have to replace my 2070 for a couple more years, devs can compress all they want out of their textures.

 

[Vario]

Why plan on selling a card that you don't even have yet? I'd say, just buy it, and sell it when it doesn't make you happy anymore.

Because I can essentially go from a 1060 6GB to a 4060(?) with this plan without a net cash outlay by being patient and having other people pay me to be patient for them.

 

[AusWolf]

Because I can essentially go from a 1060 6GB to a 4060(?) with this plan without a net cash outlay by being patient and having other people pay me to be patient for them.

I don't quite get what you mean, but if a 4060 is your goal anyway, then you might as well just wait it out and save for it. Mid-term solutions aren't the most economical ones.

 

[Bomby569]

i know it's just in early stages (even if it's coming real soon, early 2022) but the UE5 demo needs 8GB vram minimum to run

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[Vario]

I don't quite get what you mean, but if a 4060 is your goal anyway, then you might as well just wait it out and save for it. Mid-term solutions aren't the most economical ones.

It is, presently people will pay me $300 for a 5 year old 1060 6GB and pay over me $800 for a 3060 that costs me $400. It is the most economical solution. Have you looked at the cost right now on the used market?

 

[AusWolf]

It is, presently people will pay me $300 for a 5 year old 1060 6GB and pay over me $800 for a 3060 that costs me $400. It is the most economical solution. Have you looked at the cost right now on the used market?

I have. I just didn't know that your 3060 will only cost you $400 through the EVGA store. Unfortunately, that is something we don't get here in the UK.

 

[Bomby569]

I have. I just didn't know that your 3060 will only cost you $400 through the EVGA store. Unfortunately, that is something we don't get here in the UK.

they aren't selling those cards directly, it's a wait list system and it's closed for sometime now. And it's that plus taxes.

 

[efikkan]

And as you can see from those results, the 3060 performs on par with or beats out cards that were top tier just a few years ago and are still considered powerful enough for current highend gaming. If those older cards were good enough for gaming at 4k back then, they are still good now.

Having current mid-range cards compete with high-end cards from a couple generations ago has been the norm for ages. What you fail to realize is that newer architectures have architectural features which improves performance beyond what you would expect from just specs like VRAM size.

The question of whether or not it can perform well is academic. That leaves us the question of the topic, will a player using a 3060 benefit more from 12GB or the extra performance of the ti model. The simple answer is clear: Long term, the 12GB will age better. History has ALWAYS shown this. Cards with more VRAM stay relevant longer. It is fact, not opinion. Full stop, end of discussion.

You are 100% wrong.The evidence show the opposite. :faceplam:
Take a look at the evidence you yourself provided: (image cut)

A few facts are easily observable;
- As resolutions grow, lower VRAM cards (but same architecture) like RTX 3060 Ti, 3070 and 3080 increase their advantage over RTX 3060 12GB. This clearly shows as the workloads increase, other factors become more important than more VRAM, and is a very good indicator of further scaling. (look at that massive advantage 3080 has in 4k!)
- Additionally, looking at prev gen RTX 2080, 2080 Super etc. you see the same pattern; at higher resolutions and details, they pull further ahead of RTX 3060 12 GB.
So the evidence is clear; VRAM is not a larger scaling factor than overall performance.

You are also ignoring the fact that using more VRAM will always require more bandwidth and computational power. The amount of raw computational power, texture mapping, memory bandwidth etc. are all fixed throughout the lifetime of a product. So anyone who have the rudimentary understanding of rendering should understand the implications of this; if you want larger textures in the future, you have to sacrifice a lot of frame rate. For this reason, we can conclude that RTX 3060 12 GB will be obsolete long before it can outperform RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB (outperform it due to VRAM limitations). RTX 3060 12 GB will never be objectively the better card.

I'm trying to tell you politely, you clearly have no idea of what you are talking about, you don't even grasp the basics of how GPUs work, so please get the knowledge before you make such incorrect claims. I just want to stop this spread of misinformation. I know you are smarter than this, so listen an learn. Have a merry Christmas.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Having current mid-range cards compete with high-end cards from a couple generations ago has been the norm for ages. What you fail to realize is that newer architectures have architectural features which improves performance beyond what you would expect from just specs like VRAM size.


You are 100% wrong.The evidence show the opposite. :faceplam:
Take a look at the evidence you yourself provided: (image cut)
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A few facts are easily observable;
- As resolutions grow, lower VRAM cards (but same architecture) like RTX 3060 Ti, 3070 and 3080 increase their advantage over RTX 3060 12GB. This clearly shows as the workloads increase, other factors become more important than more VRAM, and is a very good indicator of further scaling. (look at that massive advantage 3080 has in 4k!)
- Additionally, looking at prev gen RTX 2080, 2080 Super etc. you see the same pattern; at higher resolutions and details, they pull further ahead of RTX 3060 12 GB.
So the evidence is clear; VRAM is not a larger scaling factor than overall performance.

You are also ignoring the fact that using more VRAM will always require more bandwidth and computational power. The amount of raw computational power, texture mapping, memory bandwidth etc. are all fixed throughout the lifetime of a product. So anyone who have the rudimentary understanding of rendering should understand the implications of this; if you want larger textures in the future, you have to sacrifice a lot of frame rate. For this reason, we can conclude that RTX 3060 12 GB will be obsolete long before it can outperform RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB (outperform it due to VRAM limitations). RTX 3060 12 GB will never be objectively the better card.

I'm trying to tell you politely, you clearly have no idea of what you are talking about, you don't even grasp the basics of how GPUs work, so please get the knowledge before you make such incorrect claims. I just want to stop this spread of misinformation. I know you are smarter than this, so listen an learn. Have a merry Christmas.

Seriously with that nonsense? Yeah, you're done. Bye bye.

 

[Bomby569]

This got completely out control but i must agree with Lex here, the RX 480 or the 580, great cards that can still do a lot of gaming, but the 4GB version are completey bottlenecked by the low VRAM. It's really not worth any savings you got by buying the low VRAM version, unless you planed on upgrading in a short time, and there are a lot of people that keep their cards for a long time and even a lot of use after that for someone else on the used market.

Sure you can still game, but you are really not using it's full power and have to scale back because of the VRAM. This seems obvious to me at least.

 

[AusWolf]

This got completely out control but i must agree with Lex here, the RX 480 or the 580, great cards that can still do a lot of gaming, but the 4GB version are completey bottlenecked by the low VRAM.

There is some disagreement here:

Seriously with that nonsense? Yeah, you're done. Bye bye.

Did you look at the graphs in the review you linked earlier?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Did you look at the graphs in the review you linked earlier?

I did, if the context of my point is not being understood, that's not my problem.

 

[freeagent]

Just curious, because I can only game at 1080p/60 right now..

In a game like RE2, in the graphics settings you can choose to exceed your video memory, I select ok and bam looks fantastic.. same with FC5 I can run it with maxed out settings and it looks and runs great.. but that's at 1080p, I would assume the lack of memory would show up more in higher resolutions?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Just curious, because I can only game at 1080p/60 right now..

In a game like RE2, in the graphics settings you can choose to exceed your video memory, I select ok and bam looks fantastic.. same with FC5 I can run it with maxed out settings and it looks and runs great.. but that's at 1080p, I would assume the lack of memory would show up more in higher resolutions?

Resident evil village is the only game when set to 4k with max settings and raytracing that the 8GB cards choke hard and lose to weaker gpus that come with more vram afaik.

1080p and 1440p is fine

 

[Bomby569]

Just curious, because I can only game at 1080p/60 right now..

In a game like RE2, in the graphics settings you can choose to exceed your video memory, I select ok and bam looks fantastic.. same with FC5 I can run it with maxed out settings and it looks and runs great.. but that's at 1080p, I would assume the lack of memory would show up more in higher resolutions?

i tried to max it and it became a slide show, but i'm at 144, but i think even at 60 that should happen.

Resident evil village is the only game when set to 4k with max settings and raytracing that the 8GB cards choke hard and lose to weaker gpus that come with more vram afaik.

1080p and 1440p is fine

that's absolutely not true, it struggles at 1440p if you go past the vram limit, ask me how i know

 

[chrcoluk]

I think one factor when considering how much VRAM is needed, is how much of a game you play in a single session. This is perhaps an area one could argue where benchmarking wont properly represent the playing experience, e.g. in Tales of Berseria if I just stay in one area, the VRAM usage may only be a couple of gigs, but if I start exploring the world, fight battles, let FMVs play and so forth it will consume triple the amount.

Now I did do an experiment as I am aware of the allocated vs usage argument, I let a browser leak VRAM by selecting D3D9 as the Angle API, watched some youtube videos to get the VRAM allocation high enough that only 2 gigs was left, and then launched Tales of Berseria, the game doesn't crash but there is a lot of stutters and mini freezes, e.g. the game kept momentarily freezing whenever I used a mystic arte. An interesting experiment, but when I tried the same thing with a newer and theoretically more demanding game, Final Fantasy 15 (a game which uses lots of VRAM), there was no stutters, but however was lots of texture pop in issues which are not normally there, I assume due to eviction of textures to free up memory. So VRAM is kind of a quality of life thing and potential stutter mitigation depending on how well the game handles loading in of textures. There was other games I tested which had no issues at all.