4070 Ti Super or 4080 Super

[Vayra86]

That’s interesting for a TPU Proofreader

Yeah it has me baffled time and time again

Either way, its healthy to have these differences of opinion. My take is my take, built on a few decades of experience in GPUs. Take it or leave it, really... It has served me quite well over the years, regardless.

 

[Macro Device]

We're also not seeing modded games in any way shape or form.

I'm playing Cyberprank 2077 with a massive UHD textures mod that increases VRAM usage by 1.5 to 3 GB at 4K depending on a scene. I also run RT reflections and everything non-RT set on High or even Ultra. At native 4K, I don't run out of 12 GB my RX 6700 XT has. It's just 3 to 5 times slower than needed for 60 FPS at these settings. Wtih FSR at Performance, I get 37 to 53 FPS (ugly but I can live with that) and VRAM is 500 to 2200 MB free depending on a location. And I am talking allocation, I'm pretty sure the real consumption is lower.

So yeah, VRAM capacity is an overblown metric. At least in games I play (RDR2, CP2077, GTA V, Fallout 4, about to purchase Starfield in some future...) I run out of pure performance about five to six gigabytes before I run out of VRAM. And that's just it for most gamers.

the headroom is zero

Games still evolve the way GPU speed requirements grow faster than VRAM capacity requirements. So in games of 2030, we will see 4070 Ti finally maxing its 12 GB out at 1080p but games will crawl at 20 FPS for a different reason...

 

[freeagent]

I play at 4K60 with my 12GB card.. its a good card. Middle of the road. And yep, it was cheaper than anything from AMD when I bought it

 

[dgianstefani]

I'm playing Cyberprank 2077 with a massive UHD textures mod that increases VRAM usage by 1.5 to 3 GB at 4K depending on a scene. I also run RT reflections and everything non-RT set on High or even Ultra. At native 4K, I don't run out of 12 GB my RX 6700 XT has. It's just 3 to 5 times slower than needed for 60 FPS at these settings. Wtih FSR at Performance, I get 37 to 53 FPS (ugly but I can live with that) and VRAM is 500 to 2200 MB free depending on a location. And I am talking allocation, I'm pretty sure the real consumption is lower.

So yeah, VRAM capacity is an overblown metric. At least in games I play (RDR2, CP2077, GTA V, Fallout 4, about to purchase Starfield in some future...) I run out of pure performance about five to six gigabytes before I run out of VRAM. And that's just it for most gamers.

Games still evolve the way GPU speed requirements grow faster than VRAM capacity requirements. So in games of 2030, we will see 4070 Ti finally maxing its 12 GB out at 1080p but games will crawl at 20 FPS for a different reason...

People gotta clutch at the straws they have. AMD has better... VRAM this generation, so that's the current meta.

Also, love Cyberprank.

That’s interesting for a TPU Proofreader

freeagent said:
I play at 4K60 with my 12GB card.. its a good card. Middle of the road. And yep, it was cheaper than anything from AMD when I bought it

Nonononono, you're actually having massive issues, because some guy on the internet said so!

 

[kurosagi01]

If you have no constraints of case and budget allows it then 4080 super is the obvious choice, if electricity bill isn't a concern and the 7900xtx is cheaper by a decent amount and you have no interest in DLSS or RTX then the 7900xtx.

 

[Vayra86]

Fun fact, there isn't a single 12GB GPU in the vote up on this topic, yet here we are, talking about it for a page because I mentioned how shit it is.

Very interesting indeed. Almost like some toes were stepped on. I wonder why, given the fact its clearly enough VRAM.

I'll leave you with that thought for the day.

 

[dgianstefani]

Fun fact, there isn't a single 12GB GPU in the vote up on this topic, yet here we are, talking about it for a page because I mentioned how shit it is.

Very interesting indeed. Almost like some toes were stepped on. I wonder why, given the fact its clearly enough VRAM.

I'll leave you with that thought for the day.

Maybe don't spread misinformation then.

 

[freeagent]

Almost like some toes were stepped on.

Someone doesn't know how to dance very well

 

[Vayra86]

Maybe don't spread misinformation then.

Its not misinformation, its an uncomfortable truth. 12GB is just not enough for cards of this calibre. And if that is categorically wrong, and you know this for sure, why even bother responding to it?

The fact is you don't know, there are only educated guesses. Yours as well as mine.

 

[freeagent]

What caliber though?

Everything is expensive.

A couple of years ago anyone buying high end GPU's was part of the problem, including myself.

Welcome to the new normal.. you get what you pay for now?

 

[Vayra86]

What caliber though?

Everything is expensive.

A couple of years ago anyone buying high end GPU's was part of the problem, including myself.

Welcome to the new normal.. you get what you pay for now?

What are you talking about? You can leave your cognitive dissonance at the door, honestly, because that's what this reads as.
Is there anything you need here? I dropped this subject some 5 posts ago, you know.

Underequipped cards are not the new normal. The 16GB 4070ti proves this, the 4080 proves this. Everything is expensive yes, so you better buy something truly worth your $$$ or not?

 

[Dragam1337]

Only in this configuration because it's not strapped for cache or memory bandwidth. Above AD103 the story changes a little, but the 4090 is still missing a significant portion of its SMs and a very large amount of its cache. 12.5% of SMs and 25% of L2, to be precise.

I reckon the large cutdown on L2 cache on the 4090 is the biggest reason why it's not proportionally faster than the 4080 when looking at core count.

 

[Macro Device]

Everything is expensive yes, so you better buy something truly worth your $$$ or not?

I'd buy a shotgun and a load of body armour and start practicing my 2nd amendment rights inside AMD and NV HQs but I'm a lazy pathetic semi-veggie so not gonna happen.

4070 Ti Super is a true 4K60 GPU for Med to High settings, being a good RT performer at lower resolutions. Also more likely to fit compact cases compared to 4080S.
4080 Super is a true 4K60 GPU for High settings, even allowing for some RT at 4K.

Both green GPUs are expensive but not to the terrifying extent. I wish they were about 600 and 750 USD respectively (with other GPUs getting similar discounts) but market ain't thinking the same way.

Both 7900 XT and XTX are excellent overclockers and numbercrackers if we don't talk RT. But their lackluster feature set and last-gen level energy efficiency ain't making these GPUs very nice to buy at what they are priced now. So my bet for a GPU upgrade is 4070 Ti Super because 4080 Super won't last much longer and ~15% performance difference isn't as significant as 200 USD + VAT. And if you don't mind investing $200 into +15% stock performance then why don't you own a couple 4090s yourself? xD

 

[Deleted member 237269]

What caliber though?

Everything is expensive.

A couple of years ago anyone buying high end GPU's was part of the problem, including myself.

Welcome to the new normal.. you get what you pay for now?

Can we all be friends and say that Nvidia and Amd fuck us deep with these prices. With Bitcoin, Covid and now AI ... Every year it’s something new. It has become the norm, we are fucking consumer idiots. And I'm guilty, seeing the System Spec of people here we are all.
Even with a reduction of 50% they would make a big profit and even taking into account the developments costs of a new technology. They build factories everywhere for the growing demand.

 

[Dragam1337]

For the people claiming that 12gb is clearly always enough... i reckon you should get a new TPU title : Shortsighted.

 

[Deleted member 229121]

You could get away with a 4070S, but the 240Hz display @ 1440p there, yeah I can see wanting a little more too.

I hate to say go with the upsell because that's the entire intent of their pricing/product stack...
...but at $800/$1000 you're probably going to kick yourself not going with the better card.

Can we all be friends and say that Nvidia and Amd fuck us deep with these prices.

THIS. It's easy to point at Nvidia and shout "d-bags", but the fact of the matter is AMD is just as bad in the GPU space.
Jensen moved the goal posts on pricing and rather than maintain a value underdog position (which was what they used to do), AMD just said screw it slot them in w pricing adjusted to performance.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I enjoy my RTX 4080 but if I had to be perfectly honest most of my games would run happily at 4K120 with an RTX 2080 Super, it's really relative, I don't think you must look at flagship AAAs every time unless that's what you mean to play

I reckon the large cutdown on L2 cache on the 4090 is the biggest reason why it's not proportionally faster than the 4080 when looking at core count.

I have always felt the same, if Nvidia released a full-die AD102 configuration in the form of some Titan Ada it would zip past the 4090

 

[Dragam1337]

I enjoy my RTX 4080 but if I had to be perfectly honest most of my games would run happily at 4K120 with an RTX 2080 Super, it's really relative, I don't think you must look at flagship AAAs every time unless that's what you mean to play



I have always felt the same, if Nvidia released a full-die AD102 configuration in the form of some Titan Ada it would zip past the 4090

An AD102 with no cutdowns would likely be 20% faster than the 4090, yeah.

 

[MarsM4N]

Its not misinformation, its an uncomfortable truth. 12GB is just not enough for cards of this calibre.

Resident Evil 4 is already hitting 16GB VRAM in 1440p (non ray traced), also modded Skyrim will exceed 12GB. Plus we didn't even look at the tons of unpopular and/or unoptimized games that do not get tested on a regular basis. For the most games out there 12GB will be totally fine, but there are edge cases where you have to lower your settings.

My guess 12GB only will become a real problem once the next gen consoles launch in 2026/2027 and/or when game engines up their requirements.

Bought a Switch Oled in 2021 but honestly nowadays i would not recommend to buy one. According to the recent Switch 2 leaks, handheld could be launched in Q3 2024. And hopefully the games from the 1 are backward compatible.

Just saw that Nintendo released "F-ZERO 99", which makes me really itchy to get a Switch. Plus "Tetris 99" would be another reason.

Sure, there is "Tetris® Effect: Connected" on Steam, but it just looks like cyber crap. And "Puyo Puyo™Tetris®" & "Puyo Puyo™ Tetris® 2" is a mishmash of different games.

 

[dgianstefani]

Resident Evil 4 is already hitting 16GB VRAM in 1440p (non ray traced), also modded Skyrim will exceed 12GB. Plus we didn't even look at the tons of unpopular and/or unoptimized games that do not get tested on a regular basis.

I can see quite a few 8/12/16 GB cards beating 11/16/24 GB cards.

Damn, even the 8GB 4060 Ti is beating the 16 GB one?

Remember kids, allocation ≠ usage.

 

[wheresmycar]

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this quote is frightening to the bone! A summation in one way or another for regulated consumerism. I have to admit i fit that bill too... i like fancy things, wasting time gaming, watching tv-series/movies, music, etc.. not really a productive lifestyle and often regret creeps in but only as a temporal fleeting thought to be discharged and then back on to the unproductive stuff in no time. Who knows maybe one day!

 

[Macro Device]

I can see quite a few 8/12/16 GB cards beating 11/16/24 GB cards.
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Damn, even the 8GB 4060 Ti is beating the 16 GB one?

Remember kids, allocation ≠ usage.

Holy shit, how pathetic 7800 XT looks in this game compared to 6900 XT.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

An AD102 with no cutdowns would likely be 20% faster than the 4090, yeah.

Originally I thought they were saving it for the professional market but even it hasn't gotten it afaik and they are so far ahead of the competition in the gaming segment with the 4090 as it is they probably see no point.

 

[MarsM4N]

Holy shit, how pathetic 7800 XT looks in this game compared to 6900 XT.

"Pathetic" is quite a stretch. The 7800 XT is on average just ~5 FPS slower. Which you won't even notice in-game. Plus it consumes way less power.

this quote is frightening to the bone! A summation in one way or another for regulated consumerism. I have to admit i fit that bill too... i like fancy things, wasting time gaming, watching tv-series/movies, music, etc.. not really a productive lifestyle and often regret creeps in but only as a temporal fleeting thought to be discharged and then back on to the unproductive stuff in no time. Who knows maybe one day!

It's frightening because the Wachowski brothers sisters where portraying our current system we are living in. They where just using the cyber theme, the "Matrix", to make it more entertaining. People where coming out of the movie, blown away but just couldn't pin point exactly why. It takes some time to wrap your head around, and acceptance of reality. It's the "secret sauce" movie writers use for their scripts.

The only movie that comes even close to "The Matrix" would be John Carpenter's "They Live" (1988). What makes it even more creepy, the lead actor, Rowdy Roddy Piper, last Tweet before dying was "They Live is a documentary!!". Can't make this s**t up! John Carpenter was also doubling down in his 2015 interview on that: John Carpenter Looks Back on ‘They Live': 'It's Not Science Fiction. It's a Documentary'

 

[Dragam1337]

I can see quite a few 8/12/16 GB cards beating 11/16/24 GB cards.
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Damn, even the 8GB 4060 Ti is beating the 16 GB one?

Remember kids, allocation ≠ usage.

You do realize that vram limitation primarily manifests as stuttering, right? Looking at average fps is pretty much useless in that context...