A mined 2080TI for 2 months,or an old card 1080ti used for constant gaming?

[Dr. Dro]

1. until i die, if it is possible.for the rest of my life
2.no ,i am not so rich ,in my enitre life i always search on garbage to find best price-performance
3.no way
4. ????????????

It is true all 2080Ti with Micron type memory have space invaders artifact problems?Some people say to avoid all 2080Ti version with Micron memory,and choose only with Samsung and Hynix.Is true???
I don't want 6700xt and I want to switch to green camp,im tired of red camp,because red camp always have poor optimized drivers.I owned this Fury X since 2016...and for me is enough.This card stopped production of drivers,and gtx 980Ti which is same generation like Fury X still have drivers up to date.That/s why i want to go on green camp

Then you have the answer, someone in your shoes should never buy a GPU that has been used by a cryptocurrency miner. Also, no, it is not true, and the cards with Micron memory are not faulty. You're overthinking things. Very few early release units were bad and RMA resolved them all.

I understand that you're frustrated with AMD's driver support, especially as a R9 Fury X owner, I had two of these, and yes they basically gave up on it and abandoned the card, so believe me, I know how you feel. But think: you'll have a hard time getting a graphics card that is tons better than that from NVIDIA with $300 in your pocket nowadays.

The only thing I could recommend you from NVIDIA with $300 right now is the EVGA 2060 KO (which has the 2080's TU104 chip cut down to 2060 specs), and that's $309 on Newegg right now. It's a great card and my brother owns one, so I've seen it in action, but I don't think I would be too happy spending $300 on that, $200 maybe. Perhaps, very slightly perhaps, the RTX 3050, but otherwise, nope.

 

[El-Presidente]

Under 11 GB of vram video i will not go,because nowadays, quantity of vram count in modern title of games like: Farcry 6,the Last of Us,Cyberpunk2077,resident Village and many many games.The lasst of US consume very fast 8Gb vram...i saw on youtube test.Video card with 8GB vram are not safe anymore novadays
For instances,Diablo 4 requirments is already 32 GB system RAM,so 16GB system RAM is become to be insufficient.
Nowadays all manufacturer put the price ONLY on quantity of vram or RAM system memory....
The near future will be at least 11 GB vram video and 32 GB system RAM...that's why i don 't want video card under 11 GB vram...that's why i wanted 2080ti

 

[El-Presidente]

look at this game...11700Mb vram usage at 1080p....In the near future even 11 Gb vram will be less. 8 Gb vram are not safe anymore.Now i understand why many video card have 12,16 or even 24 Gb vram......
8Gb vram will be insuficient very soon,trust me.............

Another title: Farcry 6,my favorite game : 8870MB vram usage-even 9000MB

 

[Arkz]

A second hand card, the usage claimed by the seller is worthless. Lightly used for gaming could mean a heavy OC and high temps. Mined for 2 months could mean 3 years without a proper underclock/undervolt/fixed fan speed with the card also cooking. I mined for about a year and a half with my 3080 and 6700xt. undervolted/power limited/fixed fan speed ensuring they don't get too hot. Gelid Extreme's on the 3080. Both now used for games work fine. The 3080 is my main gamer and has no difference in gaming from new to now after the mining.

But you don't know the true history with preowned and both could have been thrashed and not have long left on them. No warranty either. Just save yourself the hassle and get a new one with a nice long warranty.

look at this game...11700Mb vram usage at 1080p....In the near future even 11 Gb vram will be less. 8 Gb vram are not safe anymore.Now i understand why many video card have 12,16 or even 24 Gb vram......
8Gb vram will be insuficient very soon,trust me.............

Another title: Farcry 6,my favorite game : 8870MB vram usage-even 9000MB

A terrible port with awful optimization isn't a great example though. I bet if you lowered the textures from ultra to medium it would still try pull loads of vram. It's a lazy mess.

 

[Vario]

A mining card that's been running at 60% TDP under steady state thermal load will be in better condition than a gaming card that's run overclocked at twice the power draw for the same amount of time.

Thats a lot of presumption. Most people don't overclock graphics cards.

i am so scared about mining terms itself,because many people say a mined card has no future .If i tested with Furmark that mined 2080Ti for stability test, is a good choice?i am scared to not encounter artefacts on the screen in the future

Not good enough, it might even be the straw that breaks the camels back. Just buy something new.

 

[El-Presidente]

A terrible port with awful optimization isn't a great example though. I bet if you lowered the textures from ultra to medium it would still try pull loads of vram. It's a lazy mess.

Yes,the Last of Us game is a power hungry GPU,like it was Crysis in 2007when it launches.The sad story is,in the near future 8Gb vram will be insuficient

 

[Dr. Dro]

Under 11 GB of vram video i will not go,because nowadays, quantity of vram count in modern title of games like: Farcry 6,the Last of Us,Cyberpunk2077,resident Village and many many games.The lasst of US consume very fast 8Gb vram...i saw on youtube test.Video card with 8GB vram are not safe anymore novadays
For instances,Diablo 4 requirments is already 32 GB system RAM,so 16GB system RAM is become to be insufficient.
Nowadays all manufacturer put the price ONLY on quantity of vram or RAM system memory....
The near future will be at least 11 GB vram video and 32 GB system RAM...that's why i don 't want video card under 11 GB vram...that's why i wanted 2080ti

I understand but it matters very little if the GPU doesn't have the power or capability to run these newer games (1080 Ti's case).

You're part of the budget market that Nvidia doesn't give a single damn about for years at this point. For $300, the only GPU which meets your performance and memory capacity criteria is the RX 6700 XT.

AMD won't abandon RDNA 2 overnight, it's still a very capable architecture that they very much support. So I would just buy that and give up on Nvidia unless you can double your budget and buy an RTX 4070.

 

[dgianstefani]

Thats a lot of presumption. Most people don't overclock graphics cards.

Cards are overclocked by default, out of the box. What makes you think the 1080 Ti has never been mined on? Certainly a capable card to do so.

Miners prioritise power draw leading to massive core underclocking and undervolting. You have to be a special kind of stupid to run a mining card at stock voltages and clocks, since it literally costs you money and doesn't even make the card mine faster.

 

[eidairaman1]

This is why eBay has buyer protection, and it is very much favoring buyers by the way vs the sellers - same with PayPal.

You got burned online once, so has just about everyone at one point or another.
The few times it happened to me was of course frustrating (I don't buy from non-established sellers either), but eBay/PayPal made it right.

What was far more frustrating was having things go south as a seller...

I had someone claim a package was never delivered (it was); the dispute was open with eBay for nearly a month and I ultimately had to get a claim from UPS.
Another person claimed a gift card I sold didn't work, immediate refund and loss to me no help from eBay or PayPal.

Buying anything used involves a certain level of risk.
That risk can be mitigated to an extent though if you buy something in warranty, from a reputable seller and on a platform with buyer protection.

There's nothing wrong with preferring to buy new, I do myself with most things.
Just because it's a preference though, doesn't mean buying used is a near guaranteed burn for someone on a budget.

Yeah good luck with that, most come here crying their gpu doesnt work and after a bios restoration the gou is still toast.

Heed @Solaris17 and I's warning. Used gpus are a crapshoot.

a bunch of miners can dig deep

Really i don't know what to do,some people say me 2 months of mining is nothing and i can buy that 2080ti without problems,and others say is very dangerous to buy a mined card...i really don't know what to do. 300$ for a 2080Ti videocard is very temptating for me..i really don't know what to do
I think i will start to cry...like a child
in any case, i really apreciate all answer on this topic

Get a brand new in box 6800XT

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Cards are overclocked by default, out of the box. What makes you think the 1080 Ti has never been mined on? Certainly a capable card to do so.

Miners prioritise power draw leading to massive core underclocking and undervolting. You have to be a special kind of stupid to run a mining card at stock voltages and clocks, since it literally costs you money and doesn't even make the card mine faster.

Not all miners do that, so its still playing craps.

 

[N/A]

4. ????????????

on 2080 you have to overclock the memory to 1900 MHz to manifest any sings of degradation. It doesn't necessarily show artifatcs, because of error correction the benchmark score is lower than that of 1800 Mhz for example. can't remember which generation started implementing Error correction exactly. The pixel artifact check program back in the day used to be ""Ati tool, now no idea what works best. And if it can't even do 1850 this card is a goner.

 

[Deleted member 229121]

Yeah good luck with that, most come here crying their gpu doesnt work and after a bios restoration the gou is still toast.

Heed @Solaris17 and I's warning. Used gpus are a crapshoot.


Get a brand new in box 6800XT

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Not all miners do that, so its still playing craps.

That's quite generalized and doesn't account for the minutia of their respective sales, just that they were here.

Again buying used isn't my preference either, but for some and in this case, budget is taking precidence over preference.
$300 was the higher end of the cards being discussed in the OP, and it seems the 6800XT was already proclaimed out of budget.

Perhaps a stretch into the $350 range for NIB options is doable / not too far off the mark for OP.

 

[sepheronx]

Well, I haven't bothered reading through entire thread. Anyway:

2080Ti would be my vote. If you are buying from Ebay, then it gives extra protection where you can test it within 15 days and then if you see issues like artifacting, then yeah, you can then claim a return as it isn't working. Just run 3D Mark and Heaven benchmark for a few hours and see if there are artifacting. And the 2080ti you are getting 3070 performance but with the additional vram so you wont have the same issues in modern games as 3070 is having.

 

[Arkz]

Yes,the Last of Us game is a power hungry GPU,like it was Crysis in 2007when it launches.The sad story is,in the near future 8Gb vram will be insuficient

It runs fine on a PS5. a system with 16GB of SHARED RAM, about 3GB of which is reserved. So around 13GB shared between CPU and GPU. A GPU which is what, an RX6600? The game on pc is just a terrible port with awful performance. It should be able to run on an 8GB GPU with 16GB system RAM perfectly. 8GB should be fine for 1080p/1440p gaming for a good few years, these outlier games with crap optimization are the minority. As long as people keep going and buying them day one, publishers arent gonna care and keep rushing things out the door.

 

[El-Presidente]

Someone from my country track my conversation and "steal my rtx 2080TI offer".He was faster than me...c'est la vie .I am relax now.I will wait another offer of 2080Ti when i found.In any case, i understand message: 1080Ti is too ancient for 2023,no way...at least 2080ti or newer card and i thank you all you guided me in the right direction

 

[demirael]

Who do you know who games 24/7 for 2 months straight ? Most gaming gpus (that hasn't been abused by miners) wont see that much usage in their entire lifespan...

Check your math. 24/7 for 2 months is 4 hours a day for a year. Also, mining tends to be a steady state load. As long as the temps were kept under control mining causes less wear. Heatcycles can cause actual mechanical wear.

No it’s better to never buy a mining card literal ever.

False. You'll want to test the card, but mining doesn't destroy cards unless the miner is incompetent.

 

[Vario]

Cards are overclocked by default, out of the box. What makes you think the 1080 Ti has never been mined on? Certainly a capable card to do so.

Miners prioritise power draw leading to massive core underclocking and undervolting. You have to be a special kind of stupid to run a mining card at stock voltages and clocks, since it literally costs you money and doesn't even make the card mine faster.

I assume all used cards are former mining cards, by default.

Check your math. 24/7 for 2 months is 4 hours a day for a year. Also, mining tends to be a steady state load. As long as the temps were kept under control mining causes less wear. Heatcycles can cause actual mechanical wear.


False. You'll want to test the card, but mining doesn't destroy cards unless the miner is incompetent.

Most are.

Part of the mining game for the last couple years was to mine for a year or so, abuse the crap out of the cards, then clean them up with compressed air, put the cards back in the original boxes and sell as new/refurbished on eBay for scalper prices. They don't care what happens to the card after that.

 

[nomdeplume]

1080Ti is too ancient for 2023,no way...at least 2080ti or newer card and i thank you all you guided me in the right direction

There is some truth to that.

Mostly nowadays that applies to getting your moneys worth. Dr Dro offered a couple very telling examples of gpu that are undesirable. I have no idea what your age is, but highly desirable electronics prone to regular updates should not be paired with a mindset they will last a lifetime or maintain relevance.

1080ti is still a gpu with a high level of ownership on this site. For both economic and developmental reasons many were not interested in the features or power/heat of 2xxx, 3xxx, or 4xxx. All of which exhibit increasing signs of a dead technological route. Any new game releases will become older and lower priced games that can be returned to when better gpu do arrive.

 

[2wick_10029]

1080Ti is fine if you don't need raytracing or DLSS or your monitor is 1080p
i personally got 2080 paired with a 1080p monitor and DLSS was too blurry at 1080p. But if i decide to get a 4k or 1440p monitor then DLSS will prove useful

 

[Dr. Dro]

It runs fine on a PS5. a system with 16GB of SHARED RAM, about 3GB of which is reserved. So around 13GB shared between CPU and GPU. A GPU which is what, an RX6600? The game on pc is just a terrible port with awful performance. It should be able to run on an 8GB GPU with 16GB system RAM perfectly. 8GB should be fine for 1080p/1440p gaming for a good few years, these outlier games with crap optimization are the minority. As long as people keep going and buying them day one, publishers arent gonna care and keep rushing things out the door.

That argument doesn't matter. PCs are not consoles, and PC games do not have a fixed, custom setting for the engine using tailored assets of varying resolutions. It either focuses on performance or on quality. You'll never get console efficiency out of a Windows PC, at least not until older APIs and support for Windows 7, as well as hardware from this era completely vanishes from the industry, and even then it will take some time.

The Steam forums are currently at war over the Windows 7 discontinuation notice, hordes and legions of fans with their pitchforks up, which is funny since all of them account for like 1% of the user base right now.

Programmers aren't magicians. It'd do well for PC players to stop asking of them the impossible and just focus on having them deliver us a smooth experience with a quality, functional port targeting a modern PC environment and not catering to the one guy who still runs 16 GB of RAM or some 12 year old Sandy Bridge quad core.

There is some truth to that.

Mostly nowadays that applies to getting your moneys worth. Dr Dro offered a couple very telling examples of gpu that are undesirable. I have no idea what your age is, but highly desirable electronics prone to regular updates should not be paired with a mindset they will last a lifetime or maintain relevance.

1080ti is still a gpu with a high level of ownership on this site. For both economic and developmental reasons many were not interested in the features or power/heat of 2xxx, 3xxx, or 4xxx. All of which exhibit increasing signs of a dead technological route. Any new game releases will become older and lower priced games that can be returned to when better gpu do arrive.

Thing is: you're buying a 6 year old GPU which is heading for the chopping block. Buying a 1080 Ti for any significant chunk of money today is a bad move, especially if you're in the OP's shoes and want longevity.

They're leaving the Fury X because it was treated badly by AMD and its driver support was abandoned. Pascal will be abandoned within 2 years. As of today, its architecture is already obsolete and only supports the most basic functions of DirectX 12. It's leaving the frying pan and getting into the pot, all the while you could just buy a 6700 XT and have a current GPU which will outperform both of these anyway. It just doesn't make sense to me.

The 1080 Ti is history. Its time has come and gone.

 

[Sithaer]

I assume all used cards are former mining cards, by default.


Most are.

Part of the mining game for the last couple years was to mine for a year or so, abuse the crap out of the cards, then clean them up with compressed air, put the cards back in the original boxes and sell as new/refurbished on eBay for scalper prices. They don't care what happens to the card after that.

I think this also depends on your choice of second hand market/site and where you live.
For example eBay is not even a thing where I live, instead we have multiple smaller but local forums/second hand marketplaces with pretty strict rules and whatnot.

So far I had no negative experience on the forum I'm using for both buying and selling my previous hardware, nor did my bro and hes even more of a second hand junkie than me. 'I think the only brand new part in his PC currently is a 2.5' SSD, even his PSU is second hand and that thing is like 5+ years old by now. Not a single issue with his system'

I always try to buy from reputable sellers with a history on the site and they do take that pretty seriously there.
Price difference is just too big around here to ignore the second hand market, when I bought my 3060 Ti in 2022 september that very same card cost ~200+ $ more brand new and thats not a small ammount for someone like me.
Or to put it in a different perspective, if I was dead set on a brand new card then the money I spent on my second hand 3060 Ti would only get me a new 6600 XT 'barely' and considering that I'm not upgrading all that often I rather buy an entire tier if not higher GPU from the second hand market and make the most out of my budget.

Warranty is also often given there by the sellers, my 3060 Ti had 1 year when I bought it but 1 week with return/send back warranty even on older hardware is fairly common.

Thats why I don't even consider brand new GPUs anymore for years now, I do check their prices sometimes but then I'm quickly reminded how stupid high those prices are and not for my budget range at all.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I think this also depends on your choice of second hand market/site and where you live.
For example eBay is not even a thing where I live, instead we have multiple smaller but local forums/second hand marketplaces with pretty strict rules and whatnot.

So far I had no negative experience on the forum I'm using for both buying and selling my previous hardware, nor did my bro and hes even more of a second hand junkie than me. 'I think the only brand new part in his PC currently is a 2.5' SSD, even his PSU is second hand and that thing is like 5+ years old by now. Not a single issue with his system'

I always try to buy from reputable sellers with a history on the site and they do take that pretty seriously there.
Price difference is just too big around here to ignore the second hand market, when I bought my 3060 Ti in 2022 september that very same card cost ~200+ $ more brand new and thats not a small ammount for someone like me.
Or to put it in a different perspective, if I was dead set on a brand new card then the money I spent on my second hand 3060 Ti would only get me a new 6600 XT 'barely' and considering that I'm not upgrading all that often I rather buy an entire tier if not higher GPU from the second hand market.

Warranty is also often given there by the sellers, my 3060 Ti had 1 year when I bought it but 1 week with return/send back warranty even on older hardware is fairly common.

Thats why I don't even consider brand new GPUs anymore for years now, I do check their prices sometimes but then I'm quickly reminded how stupid high those prices are and not for my budget range at all.

Yeah, I agree. It's an arrangement that worked well, and also allowed me to upgrade to the halo card every generation. Everyone was happy... until the miners came into play. I'm hoping those times come back, it keeps the market regulated.

 

[nomdeplume]

The 1080 Ti is history. Its time has come and gone.

Still a bit early to call that one. There seems to be just as much concern over everything before 4xxx being made obsolete as there is over eliminating the large share of gaming market who decided to wait things out. The former coming to fruition among the very top AAA titles is considerably more likely than the latter. 9xx would be a more fitting place to hang the legacy hardware tag.

Ultimately it comes right down to what games OP will be playing. What requirements need to be met long term.

 

[tussinman]

I personally wouldn't do it. Combination of it being a miner card + it's an almost a 5 year old card.......

If you where getting a stupid good deal then it might be worth the risk but paying nearly brand new 6700xt price on (which is barely slower and comes with a free game) not enough upside

 

[Vario]

I think this also depends on your choice of second hand market/site and where you live.
For example eBay is not even a thing where I live, instead we have multiple smaller but local forums/second hand marketplaces with pretty strict rules and whatnot.

So far I had no negative experience on the forum I'm using for both buying and selling my previous hardware, nor did my bro and hes even more of a second hand junkie than me. 'I think the only brand new part in his PC currently is a 2.5' SSD, even his PSU is second hand and that thing is like 5+ years old by now. Not a single issue with his system'

I always try to buy from reputable sellers with a history on the site and they do take that pretty seriously there.
Price difference is just too big around here to ignore the second hand market, when I bought my 3060 Ti in 2022 september that very same card cost ~200+ $ more brand new and thats not a small ammount for someone like me.
Or to put it in a different perspective, if I was dead set on a brand new card then the money I spent on my second hand 3060 Ti would only get me a new 6600 XT 'barely' and considering that I'm not upgrading all that often I rather buy an entire tier if not higher GPU from the second hand market and make the most out of my budget.

Warranty is also often given there by the sellers, my 3060 Ti had 1 year when I bought it but 1 week with return/send back warranty even on older hardware is fairly common.

Thats why I don't even consider brand new GPUs anymore for years now, I do check their prices sometimes but then I'm quickly reminded how stupid high those prices are and not for my budget range at all.

I get what you are saying, but I have bought something like 7 used graphics cards from eBay over the past decade and I have experienced 4 dead cards, with only one of those cards DoA and returned, and the other three either dying or rendered unusable due to instability and artifacting within 6 months of purchase, so frankly it costs more money to deal with that.

On the other hand, graphics cards that I have bought new seem to have a nearly unlimited lifespan. I have cards that are 20 years old that were purchased new by me and still work. I've had only one go bad, a Radeon XFX 7850 2GB which lasted from 2012 to 2022 until it started having artifacts when idle in Windows.

The three working eBay sourced cards were all so low powered that they weren't used for mining, and mostly just served as graphics adapters. Now, if I buy a used card, I only buy cards that are undesirable for mining and have extensive feedback and photos.

 

[Sithaer]

I get what you are saying, but I have bought something like 7 used graphics cards from eBay over the past decade and I have experienced 4 dead cards, with only one of those cards DoA and returned, and the other three either dying or rendered unusable due to instability and artifacting within 6 months of purchase, so frankly it costs more money to deal with that.

On the other hand, graphics cards that I have bought new seem to have a nearly unlimited lifespan. I have cards that are 20 years old that were purchased new by me and still work. I've had only one go bad, a Radeon XFX 7850 2GB which lasted from 2012 to 2022 until it started having artifacts when idle in Windows.

The three working eBay sourced cards were all so low powered that they weren't used for mining, and mostly just served as graphics adapters. Now, if I buy a used card, I only buy cards that are undesirable for mining and have extensive feedback and photos.

Yeah I know that once you get burned with second hand hardware its hard to feel good about it or consider it again.
Luckily I only ever had 1 second hand GPU die on me and that was way before any of this mining stuff and it was more like my fault for picking up a shitty model in the first place since I had no experience at the time. 'crappy overheating single fan Palit GTX 560 Ti that died on me in 1 year, still have it around as a paper weight '

At the very least I try not to pick up any second hand hardware anymore that has no form of warranty or I check it in person if possible.
So far that way worked out for me 'knocks on wood' and no dead GPUs ever since. 'including some admited miner cards like my RX 570 was and I don't exactly know the past of my 3060 Ti but since it came with 1 year warranty/LHR edition and dual bios I felt safer picking it up at the time for a decent price'

Interesting that most of these 'horror' stories I've heard/read came from eBay or from some shady sites/facebook market sellers or whatever.
I don't have experience with those but if those would be my only option then I'm not sure if I would do it.

I also watch a tech channel mainly dedicated to second hand hardware/PCs and flipping them and he seems to have an okay luck with whatever crap he buys. 'Tech Yes City/Brian on YT'