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I don't normally use AS SSD, so I couldn't tell you. I have the older WD Black so yours should be faster.
Not sure how the 4K scores compared to CrystalDiskMark, but it seems a tad slow, but a lot of that depends on the host system as well.

@lynx29 CDM results from my drive below. Note the version of CDM though, as they've moved on to 7.x now, which is a bit different in how it tests. This is my OS drives as well.

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thanks, something is def wrong on the 4kib front...

 

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thanks, something is def wrong on the 4kib front...

For one, the 4KiB Q32 is T1 in your case and T6 in my case. Not sure why it was T6 in my case as that isn't a default setting. This was something I dug up, since I'm stuck abroad due to the Wuhan virus...
The Q1T1 results are a bit slow for the write score, could be due to some background program running, assuming this is your OS drive.
I'd say the rest looks ok.
Found another runt that should make more sense. Looking at this, your Q32T1 results are a bit lacking as well, since you drive should be faster overall. Couldn't tell you why though and I'm not sure it's something to really worry about.

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Edit: Oh, your drive is is already 69% full, that might at least help explain some of the slower results.
 

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For one, the 4KiB Q32 is T1 in your case and T6 in my case. Not sure why it was T6 in my case as that isn't a default setting. This was something I dug up, since I'm stuck abroad due to the Wuhan virus...
The Q1T1 results are a bit slow for the write score, could be due to some background program running, assuming this is your OS drive.
I'd say the rest looks ok.
Found another runt that should make more sense. Looking at this, your Q32T1 results are a bit lacking as well, since you drive should be faster overall. Couldn't tell you why though and I'm not sure it's something to really worry about.

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Edit: Oh, your drive is is already 69% full, that might at least help explain some of the slower results.




i downloaded the latest edition. but like you said it probably has something to do with my drive being so full. regardless... the other numbers look ok, so I guess I just won't worry about it
 

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The 1TB P1 seems to be $105 now, if you buy it directly from Crucial.
So it's technically cheaper, but I'd say it's 50/50 which drive is "better".

A beast? It's a budget SSD with meh performance imho. You're using some kind of RAM cache to hit those speeds, which is cheating and it's not something you can compare with other drives, as it's not native drive performance.

And no, it doesn't have to be turned on at all, as you risk your data using those kind of features. In theory, someone can do the same with a good old spinning rust drive, do they then have an SSD? I don't think so. A RAM cache is NOT the same as turning of caching, you clearly don't seem to understand the difference, nor what you've enabled. I suggest you do some research before you come on here and try to show off and tell people what to do.

My answer will be emotional. Please be prepared.

Yes, I do agree that I am using both technologies - ram cache and Crucial Momentum Cache.
But! That is giving me an insane speed boost on my PC. I don't see a problem with that. Moreover, I clearly see it as an advantage. Let's take a look: People are comparing low budget NVMEs, then why not to choose one, which is cheaper and support extra performance modes via rearranging internal memory block to get speed (Momentum cache) and RAM cache to get PC crazy fast?
Is it a problem that I achieve speeds over 9000 by "cheating" and is it better to achieve half of those speeds (paying crazy money) but getting w/o "cheating"?

Most users won't move large files anyway, then why shall they choose expensive nvme? No point, besides marketing and measuring dicks.

Momentum Cache explanation:
Crucial’s Momentum Cache technology is an intelligent software driver that dynamically leverages unused system memory to enhance burst performance and to overcome the fact that SSDs typically have better read performance than write. Momentum Cache will use up to 25% of available system memory, though no more than 4GB.
Whenever the OS needs to write data to the Crucial SSD, the data is actually written to the portion of the memory being used by the Momentum software instead, which is much quicker. Afterwards, the data is flushed to the SSD for permanent storage.


Personal opinion: If you think that I'm going to throw away my nvme drive because those results are achieved by "unfair" caching mechanism, think twice. Moreover not every company includes such drivers in the low budget segment. Particularly currently observed drive. Or maybe I couldn't find such tech implemented by looking at their web page.

You're still confused. Using RAM cache is cheating. It doesn't show the capabilities of your drive, it shows the capabilities of you RAM. Clearly you don't get that.
Well... with this logic, I would like to see how are you going to use CPU without cache (L1, L2, L3), since it's cheating and not showing actual performance.
I'd like to see why WordPress engines have caching mechanism and it is boosting performance. Stupid admins are still switching it on, despite of... oh, fact of cheating.
Caching mechanism is not cheating. It's real-life tech, which boosts speeds of many processes.

Psst, I'll open you a scary/dirty secret. HDDs have also cache built into drives. Don't tell that, They are cheating to achieve better performance.

Sorry for ruining the perfect cacheless world.
 

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Well... with this logic, I would like to see how are you going to use CPU without cache (L1, L2, L3), since it's cheating and not showing actual performance.
Dude, just stop, seriously, this is NOT the same thing.
My main SSD has 1GB of local RAM onboard as cache.

Your bechmark result is testing your RAM, not your SSD, so it has ZERO meaning.

Using your PC's RAM as another layer is NOT the same as CPU cache. You clearly have NO understanding of any of this, so please, take it elsewhere, as you're just spewing nonsense.
 

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Dude, just stop, seriously, this is NOT the same thing.
My main SSD has 1GB of local RAM onboard as cache.

Your bechmark result is testing your RAM, not your SSD, so it has ZERO meaning.

Using your PC's RAM as another layer is NOT the same as CPU cache. You clearly have NO understanding of any of this, so please, take it elsewhere, as you're just spewing nonsense.
I will agree only if you take out that hardwired cache from SSD. Then I would see no difference. So far it's just moving functions of hardwired cache onto ram.
I clearly understand what are we talking about. However, you suggest to look at advantages of hardwired cache, instead of using ram as cache.
And what is exactly difference, mate?
I load files onto ram, which is faster and as consequence, I have way faster access to load of files.
You are still defending "fair" speeds of SSD. Who the hell needs them, if ram is faster? In budget section.
 
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this is my AS SSD score on my new WD Black SN750 1tb drive... does this all look good to you? @TheLostSwede i paid $129.99 and that included tax. i am not good with storage and that 0.072 seems a little high not sure why that is, sometimes it even says 0.125 ish range instead of 0.072
Hi,
Use crystal disk mark it as least checks out with hwinfo for read/ writes.
As ssd is all over the place.
 

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Hi,
Use crystal disk mark it as least checks out with hwinfo for read/ writes.
As ssd is all over the place.

I Will add my results as well in AS SSD test. Both Crucial Momentum cache and Ram cache is active. (That's my everyday usage. Once, I tested without caching mechanism, especially Crucials Momentum, I can't go back to slow speeds.)

But I found it interesting that Access times have similarities.
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Hi,
Use crystal disk mark it as least checks out with hwinfo for read/ writes.
As ssd is all over the place.

umm... scroll up to post number 28 please.
 
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After looking through PC PartsPicker, the Crucial P1 looks like the one to beat for performance per dollar.
 
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umm... scroll up to post number 28 please.
Hi,
Yeah I wouldn't worry about the 4k thing just read/ writes and the only two utilities that show close to the same readings is CDM and hwinfo64
As ssd just shows a ending score people like to see but read/ write matches nothing else.

I Will add my results as well in AS SSD test. Both Crucial Momentum cache and Ram cache is active. (That's my everyday usage. Once, I tested without caching mechanism, especially Crucials Momentum, I can't go back to slow speeds.)

But I found it interesting that Access times have similarities.
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Hi,
Samsung ssd's have the same feature.
 

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Hi,
Samsung SSD's have the same feature.

I noticed, yep, that some manufacturers add memory reorganizing features to give speed to the end-user. Unfortunately, not every manufacturer is making those options available. Don't know why - buying cheaper parts? Don't know how to write software/program memory allocation?
Nevertheless, a lesson, I've learned when choosing cheap class NVMe, is: Always check those "momentum cache", or whatever manufacturers fancy to name them.
And it's vital to understand that some manufacturers add RAM cache options, other add/replace that with changing QLC memory into SLC. AS much as I understand, SLC memory in those QLC SSD's is much faster. I think in P1, Crucial is reorganizing up to 4GB QLC into the SLC memory cluster. It's a very good solution, as average Joe is working with small files anyway and won't notice speed drops. Unless he's copying files, larger than 4GB. But then, even with falling to "slow" 2GB/s it's quite a quick process to copy files. And if we consider everyday practice, when those files are usually, copied to much slower drives, it doesn't make any sense to get expensive NVMe.

As an owner of P1 NVMe drive, I have to tell, that there is one particular problem with Momentum Cache on Crucial drives. It doesn't survive Windows update (distro update). Windows won't give a crap of Crucial's Drivers and will use its own ones instead. Thus, momentum cache will not be working at all. The only solution, for now, is to wipe windows and install as a fresh one. I don't think Crucial will fix it, as it's their lowest price consumer product, therefore it's unreasonable to spend money on the fairly minor public problem. (Not many users are even aware of those drive features.)

I guess, when Win files system will be made particularly with NVMe in mind, then we will see a great benefit from those SSDs and NVMe, as they are able to access really deep queues.I'd like to see PS5-like hardware to specifically process file reading/writing.

I think it's important to add those real-life use-cases to tests, as end-user will see how fast system he will get, when installing drivers and turning all speed features. Specifically, I mean when drives memory is changed. Idon't think that testing raw performance of video card without installing appropriate drivers is great idea in the first place. As we all know, using a video card without drivers will give a crappy performance in the first place.
Notebook integrated cards are borrowing RAM as their own RAM to work and we see a lot of tests done. Nobody is crying that integrated cards shall not be using the laptop's RAM to get the advantage of speed. Or that is "unfair and doesn't represent actual video card speed".
I think it will be fair to add to existing test also one, with all features enabled. Yes, I completely understand that those speeds will be similar and high. But that what end user will actually work with! And ones, like the user TheLostSwede, can always turn off all features and uninstall drivers (not install them in the first place) to get "Real" performance.
 
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