Adoption of Linux on desktop (again!)

[Aleksandar_038]

After the 2013 discontinuation, Hotmail was migrated into Outlook.
A lot of people don’t bother installing Outlook if they aren’t using an enterprise system. Web access is sufficient.
The point I wanted to make is that Outlook in most situations has become unnecessary. Most people switched to Gmail.

For personal use, it does not matter - most people will use webmail and that is it. But for corporate use, webmail is shit, and Outlook is one and only. Microsoft now tries to convince business to switch to Web Outlook - let's wait for them to fuck up completely, and then continue this discussion.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1198/tas.2011.09076

The results suggest that Gnumeric is the most reliable both in performing statistical analysis and for calculations involving statistical distributions.

Excel is not suitable for professional use. It makes math mistakes.

Still Using Excel for Data Analysis? See Why SQL Is Better!

Still Using Excel for Data Analysis? See Why SQL Is Better!

Do you think SQL is only for programmers? See how marketers, HR specialists, and other non-IT professionals use SQL instead of Excel or spreadsheets.

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SAS vs Excel

SAS vs Excel

Data analysis is a crucial component of decision-making in various domains, ranging from business to research. Two popular tools frequently…

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It's not like there's advanced excel knowledge at school, either, so it shouldn't be a problem to switch to one of faster methods.
Excel is unfortunately not more than a noob tool, which is not optimal for anything.

Excel makes math mistakes if you do not know how to use it. Noob tool? Bold statement, indeed.

As for "moving to SQL", please spare me third-grade links and articles. Excel and SQL are two different beasts, one is not a replacement for another. For simpler tasks, SQL is too much, for heavy-lifting and database management, Excel is the wrong tool.

The stability of proprietary software is often statistically compared to that of open source software. Turns out most obscure Linux systems are usually more stable than windows. Also, I have to say, I know a lot of window users who say their 'system never crashes'. But then when I play a game with these people, I often see that after a few minutes they've had a full system crash, while I'm sitting there playing on my Linux system, waiting for the windows gamer to fix their computer. This is very annoying and constantly happens when I play with windows gamers.

NTFS vs ext4 for reliability

NTFS vs ext4 for reliability

The reason for this question has to do with recent behaviour of a NTFS 1TB external drive I rely on for important production. Since I work both on Linux and Windows (although primarily Linux-Ubunt...

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NTFS is not considered to be a resilient file system, it only journals metadata and suffers from bit rot, which is made worse by the fragmentation it also suffers from.

Blender Developers Find Old Linux Drivers Are Better Maintained Than Windows

Blender Developers Find Old Linux Drivers Are Better Maintained Than Windows - Phoronix

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Completely anecdotal statements... Windows don't have problems with crashing since XP era, and that is the fact. User mistakes that leads to problems are other story, present on both OSes. What is skewing your statistics? Simple fact that Linux users are usually more advanced and solve problems on their own, where Windows is full of kids who barely knows how to add shortcut to Start menu...

Claiming that an operating system that doesn't have a stable file system and has no stable drivers never crash is simply a completely worthless statement.

The bunch of articles you are throwing around are worthless, mostly. Made by Linux fans for Linux fans... No stable file system? NTFS is far from perfect but calling it unstable is bullshit. I do not claim that NTFS is better than ext4, but it is surely not "unstable" or "bad". ext4 is great, from technical point of view, but it also have serious drawbacks that prevent him from becoming "THE ONE AND ONLY".

Story about drivers is hardly worth a comment...

I don't understand why you bother answering my comments if you don't understand computer science's basics.

Oh, so you are such an expert for the matter, especially since you don't make difference between app (Excel) and language (SQL)?

Hilarious.

Pardon me your majesty for speaking to you, I shall not bother you any more.

 

[bug]

Zero relevance?

GitHub stars matter! Here is why

GitHub stars matter! Here is why - Infracost

As Infracost has hit 3,000 GitHub stars , I wanted to share some thoughts as to why GitHub stars matter. Why do people star repos? There are two main reasons why people star GitHub projects: Bookmarks: some people star GitHub repos to bookmark them for later use. For example I can see the repos I've

www.infracost.io

A 2018 academic research survey of over 700 developers found that "three out of four developers consider the number of stars before using or contributing to GitHub projects".


Anecdotes?

Lockheed Martin goes open source, people freak out.

Lockheed Martin goes open source, people freak out.

I was really pleased to read the announcement that Lockheed Martin’s social networking platform, EurekaStreams, was released as an open source project today. Lockheed is a very conservative company, and while they’re happy to use open source internally and on projects for their customers, this...

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Linux is faster at fixing bugs than Apple, Microsoft and Google

Linux security

The study looked at data between January 2019 and December 2021 to determine how much time developers took to fix security issues.

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Study shows open-source code more bug-free than proprietary

Study shows open-source code more bug-free than proprietary - SD Times

Coverity’s study also examined the Linux kernel, PHP and PostgreSQL … continue reading

sdtimes.com

The results of the scan showed that in 37 million lines of open-source code across 45 projects, there was an average of .45 bugs per thousand lines of code.
Proprietary code, which was sampled anonymously from Coverity’s customer base, included over 300 million lines of code across 41 projects, where it was found that there were .64 bugs per thousand lines.

And yet, at the latest Pwn2own, both Safari and Firefox were breached. Again.

 

[SchumannFrequency]

For personal use, it does not matter - most people will use webmail and that is it. But for corporate use, webmail is shit, and Outlook is one and only.

Outlook does not play particularly well with others. It has limited integrations, working perfectly well within the overall Microsoft Office architecture, but it doesn’t, in and of itself, integrate with the likes of the Google Drive or many third-party programs. You can use other integration software to make it play with others, but that’s an additional expense and other perfectly viable alternatives exist that are friendly and integrate well with others straight from download.

Whisper this gently, but Outlook is also, when you get right down to it, pretty buggy. In some ways, Microsoft’s pre-eminence has driven it to an aloof place in terms of its integrations, and a complacent place in terms of its fundamental flaws. And while, absolutely, Microsoft patches problems in a timely manner, there’s the distinct possibility that going elsewhere for your email would take you out of the headache spiral once and for all.

And as we mentioned, if you’re using Outlook to its full potential, it’s probably an opera of functionality. But the fact remains that to use Outlook to its full potential, you’d have to spend quite a lot of your day unlocking its features and functions. The basic, day-to-day email function is…fine. Not especially spectacular or friendly, but absolutely…fine. But to unlock the boss level bonuses of Outlook probably requires a training course and regular reminders of how to do the things you learned – and frankly, who has the time?

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Zimbra Desktop

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Thunderbird for Organizations

Thunderbird for Organizations

Thunderbird Support for Your Organization, Business, or Enterprise

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Excel and SQL are two different beasts, one is not a replacement for another. For simpler tasks, SQL is too much

Didn't ONLYOFFICE improve pivot tables significantly in its latest version, so that ONLYOFFICE can actually be seen as a cheap and equivalent Excel clone?

SQL is a versatile language that can be used for analyzing small datasets up to full-scale financial investigations.

Gnumeric certainly has more functions (especially for statistics). It's also extensible with Python (and I've seen plugins for other languages), which IMO is preferable to VBA.
Python of course also has some pretty good statistic and scientific computing libraries, which are quite performant.

To finish the conclusion: Excel is not suitable for important calculations because it makes calculation errors, it is not suitable for large data sets, and it has very few functions compared to SQL, Julia, SAS and Gnumeric.

What developer wouldn't be able to create an exact clone of Excel when Excel is really just a very simple app with very few features (and poor performance)?

Windows don't have problems with crashing since XP era, and that is the fact.

windows is possibly the least stable of all operating systems in existence. This has never really changed, as programmers have become less talented over the years.

My biggest problem with Windows 10: Instability

My biggest problem with Windows 10: Instability

Windows 10's strength -- its comprehensiveness -- is also its biggest weakness. Too many moving parts are making for an unstable computing experience for me. Bring on Redstone!

www.zdnet.com

Windows 10 stability is going downhill, and not even Surfaces are spared

Windows 10 stability is going downhill, and not even Surfaces are spared

Bugs, errors, crashes, and just bad experiences have always been an issue with Microsoft Windows, but lately, it seems to be getting much worse.

www.windowscentral.com

No stable file system? NTFS is far from perfect but calling it unstable is bullshit. I do not claim that NTFS is better than ext4, but it is surely not "unstable" or "bad".

https://www.phoronix.com/benchmark/result/linux_47ext4_vs_f2fs_vs_btrfs_vs_xfs_vs_ntfs/27e91e6.svgz

The problem why windows and google users have become so illusional is also easy to figure out. They usually use google and bing as a search engine and therefore only 'learn' the things that Google and MS want. This has led to a profound dumbing down of the average human being, so that he is completely brainwashed with fiction and almost never knows what reality is.

 

[Assimilator]

SQL is a versatile language that can be used for analyzing small datasets up to full-scale financial investigations.

And it's still not Excel. Someone who insults others about not understanding computer science should understand this, you apparently do not.

What developer wouldn't be able to create an exact clone of Excel when Excel is really just a very simple app with very few features (and poor performance)?

Macros are Excel's power and it does them very well. It also has integration with pretty much any sort of data source, PowerQuery support, the list goes on and on...

Only a developer who knows nothing would claim to be able to create an Excel clone.

This has never really changed, as programmers have become less talented over the years.

What the actual f**k does this completely unsubstantiated claim have to do with anything?

My biggest problem with Windows 10: Instability

My biggest problem with Windows 10: Instability

Windows 10's strength -- its comprehensiveness -- is also its biggest weakness. Too many moving parts are making for an unstable computing experience for me. Bring on Redstone!

www.zdnet.com

Windows 10 stability is going downhill, and not even Surfaces are spared

Windows 10 stability is going downhill, and not even Surfaces are spared

Bugs, errors, crashes, and just bad experiences have always been an issue with Microsoft Windows, but lately, it seems to be getting much worse.

www.windowscentral.com

One of those articles is from 8 years ago, the other is regarding Windows Insider builds which, surprise surprise, contain bugs. Neither is evidence to support your claim.

https://www.phoronix.com/benchmark/result/linux_47ext4_vs_f2fs_vs_btrfs_vs_xfs_vs_ntfs/27e91e6.svgz

A benchmark of performance has f**k all to do with stability. And we're not talking about the Linux driver for NTFS, we're talking about the Windows one.

The problem why windows and google users have become so illusional is also easy to figure out. They usually use google and bing as a search engine and therefore only 'learn' the things that Google and MS want. This has led to a profound dumbing down of the average human being, so that he is completely brainwashed with fiction and almost never knows what reality is.

Says the one who is posting random bulls**t, that is at best tangentially related to the claims at hand, as "evidence" for said claims.

You people need help.

 

[dyonoctis]

RawTherapee is actually more advanced than Lightroom. And digiKam is more advanced and faster to manage photos than Lightroom.

I have also yet to see Photoshop results that cannot be achieved with GIMP or Krita, and the latter apps are easier to learn. So I am of the opinion that Adobe is not the least of the problems.

If you are an advanced user, you'll find that gimp isn't a perfect 1:1 equivalent, some effects will require more work to get a similar result. Some tools looks similar, but don't really behave in the same way/give the same result. Then there's the issue of collaborative work. Dynamic layers with filters won't play well in gimp. Photoshop also got a great integration with illustrator: you can import AI files as a smart object that allow you to get live edit of the AI file in photoshop.

Then there's after effects for compositing and motion design, the myriad of plug-ins made for it, and the decent integration that is got with photoshop/illustrator/premiere.

Adobe strength also lies in their ecosystem : when you do design work you'll often have to jump between several apps, and the link between them is a massive QoL/time saver.

 

[SchumannFrequency]

A benchmark of performance has f**k all to do with stability. And we're not talking about the Linux driver for NTFS, we're talking about the Windows one.

A person said we couldn't call NTFS bad in the statement I was responding to. But we can call it really bad:

Is NTFS slower than FAT32?

Is NTFS slower than FAT32?

Hey, I just recently reformatted my system and reinstalled WinXP. This time I choose FAT32 on the primary partition. When everything was done I immediately ran Sandra Disk Benchmark and got 16000 drive index score. Previously on NTFS I would only attain half that amount. I must conclude that NTFS...

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i agree
fat32 is noticeably faster for me too...

Why is Linux/ext4 SO much faster than Windows/NTFS for filesystem operations?
https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/x3bmtc Windows has always been terribly slow to update, say, all file permissions in a large directory structure. Updating 1 million files takes ages. Not just permissions, but moving them or getting file sizes, too. On a slow Linux box with an ext4 filesystem, the same operation takes less than a second. Both cases, a mechanical drive.
What's going on? I get that NTFS has an ACL making permissions more complicated than vanilla Linux. But file sizes, moving, listing, etc?

Has anyone ever had corruption/data loss with bit rot?
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/10mj7qt I find files corrupted on NTFS drives. Did they get that way at rest or when I wrote them? Impossible to know.
Without a reliable file system like ZFS and scrubs, you are expecting to lose data. And not even know it is bad until you try to use it.

 

[Aleksandar_038]

Outlook does not play particularly well with others. It has limited integrations, working perfectly well within the overall Microsoft Office architecture, but it doesn’t, in and of itself, integrate with the likes of the Google Drive or many third-party programs. You can use other integration software to make it play with others, but that’s an additional expense and other perfectly viable alternatives exist that are friendly and integrate well with others straight from download.

Whisper this gently, but Outlook is also, when you get right down to it, pretty buggy. In some ways, Microsoft’s pre-eminence has driven it to an aloof place in terms of its integrations, and a complacent place in terms of its fundamental flaws. And while, absolutely, Microsoft patches problems in a timely manner, there’s the distinct possibility that going elsewhere for your email would take you out of the headache spiral once and for all.

And as we mentioned, if you’re using Outlook to its full potential, it’s probably an opera of functionality. But the fact remains that to use Outlook to its full potential, you’d have to spend quite a lot of your day unlocking its features and functions. The basic, day-to-day email function is…fine. Not especially spectacular or friendly, but absolutely…fine. But to unlock the boss level bonuses of Outlook probably requires a training course and regular reminders of how to do the things you learned – and frankly, who has the time?

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eM Client Pro

eM Client - Email Client and Calendar Software for Windows and Mac

This free email client should be installed on your desktop. eM Client is just great.

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Zimbra Desktop

Zimbra Desktop - Zimbra

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Thunderbird for Organizations

Thunderbird for Organizations

Thunderbird Support for Your Organization, Business, or Enterprise

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Have you ever used Outlook? Because if you claim that Mailbird or Zimbra can be on the same level, you are delusional.

And I say that as someone who hates Outlook

Didn't ONLYOFFICE improve pivot tables significantly in its latest version, so that ONLYOFFICE can actually be seen as a cheap and equivalent Excel clone?

SQL is a versatile language that can be used for analyzing small datasets up to full-scale financial investigations.

Gnumeric certainly has more functions (especially for statistics). It's also extensible with Python (and I've seen plugins for other languages), which IMO is preferable to VBA.
Python of course also has some pretty good statistic and scientific computing libraries, which are quite performant.

To finish the conclusion: Excel is not suitable for important calculations because it makes calculation errors, it is not suitable for large data sets, and it has very few functions compared to SQL, Julia, SAS and Gnumeric.

What developer wouldn't be able to create an exact clone of Excel when Excel is really just a very simple app with very few features (and poor performance)?

Yes, you are delusional. Please create that excel clone and get rich, because you are such master of programming arts...

You obviously never opened Excel in last decade since your claim that gnumeric have more statistical functions than Excel is completely hilarious.

Also, having Python library attached to your file for calculation is really right way to go... In parallel universe.

WINdows is possibly the least stable of all operating systems in existence. This has never really changed, as programmers have become less talented over the years.

My biggest problem with Windows 10: Instability

My biggest problem with Windows 10: Instability

Windows 10's strength -- its comprehensiveness -- is also its biggest weakness. Too many moving parts are making for an unstable computing experience for me. Bring on Redstone!

www.zdnet.com

Windows 10 stability is going downhill, and not even Surfaces are spared

Windows 10 stability is going downhill, and not even Surfaces are spared

Bugs, errors, crashes, and just bad experiences have always been an issue with Microsoft Windows, but lately, it seems to be getting much worse.

www.windowscentral.com

You claim that people got used to Bing and Google search and therefore stupid, yet you post biggest bunch of shitty links seen in last decade as "arguments".

Except cherry picking, there is also matter of YOU NOT READING YOUR OWN LINKS, because you would otherwise see that one of them is obsolete, and other is talking about Insider build of Windows - beta OS where stability is not primary thing. Fact that you need to reach for such links just proves how desperate you are.

https://www.phoronix.com/benchmark/result/linux_47ext4_vs_f2fs_vs_btrfs_vs_xfs_vs_ntfs/27e91e6.svgz

The problem why windows and google users have become so illusional is also easy to figure out. They usually use google and bing as a search engine and therefore only 'learn' the things that Google and MS want. This has led to a profound dumbing down of the average human being, so that he is completely brainwashed with fiction and almost never knows what reality is.

NTFS is shit on Linux, and that is a Microsoft fault?
Also, ext4 is extremely fast, but you trash talked stability, which is not issue for neither one.

Do you read your links before posting them?

Also, secret of ext4 speed is also curse when it comes to corporate use and access control...

A person said we couldn't call NTFS bad in the statement I was responding to. But we can call it really bad:

Is NTFS slower than FAT32?

Is NTFS slower than FAT32?

Hey, I just recently reformatted my system and reinstalled WinXP. This time I choose FAT32 on the primary partition. When everything was done I immediately ran Sandra Disk Benchmark and got 16000 drive index score. Previously on NTFS I would only attain half that amount. I must conclude that NTFS...

www.neowin.net

i agree
fat32 is noticeably faster for me too...

Why is Linux/ext4 SO much faster than Windows/NTFS for filesystem operations?
https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/x3bmtc Windows has always been terribly slow to update, say, all file permissions in a large directory structure. Updating 1 million files takes ages. Not just permissions, but moving them or getting file sizes, too. On a slow Linux box with an ext4 filesystem, the same operation takes less than a second. Both cases, a mechanical drive.
What's going on? I get that NTFS has an ACL making permissions more complicated than vanilla Linux. But file sizes, moving, listing, etc?

Has anyone ever had corruption/data loss with bit rot?
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/10mj7qt I find files corrupted on NTFS drives. Did they get that way at rest or when I wrote them? Impossible to know.
Without a reliable file system like ZFS and scrubs, you are expecting to lose data. And not even know it is bad until you try to use it.

Linux fanboi screaming too much? NTFS is very safe for data, even safer than ext4...

Like I said, you are delusional.

I really hope that we will in future have some Linux distro challenging Windows, because I do not like being on Ms mercy, but fanboism and delusions are not helpful at all.

Microsoft do many bad things, but they are not idiots, they just treat customers like that. You think they are morons... Delusions.

 

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LibreOffice

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FreeOffice

FreeOffice: The best free alternative to Microsoft Office

FreeOffice, the best free alternative to Microsoft Office (Word, Excel, PowerPoint) for Windows, Mac and Linux

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[SchumannFrequency]

Have you ever used Outlook? Because if you claim that Mailbird or Zimbra can be on the same level, you are delusional.

Slant - 25 Best e-mail clients for Windows as of 2024

Thunderbird, Mail and Calendar, and Mailspring are probably your best bets out of the 25 options considered. "Stable" is the primary reason people pick Thunderbird over the competition. This page is powered by a knowledgeable community that helps you make an informed decision.

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Microsoft Outlook score : 61/100

I must say people are really impressed with your unbeatable Outlook.

But if I may be serious, scores below 65% are crapware.

You obviously never opened Excel in last decade since your claim that gnumeric have more statistical functions than Excel is completely hilarious.

It includes all of the spreadsheet functions of the North American edition of Microsoft Excel and many functions unique to Gnumeric.
It is well known that Gnumeric has over 170 basic statistical functions that are not present in Excel.

As I've said before, Excel and most MS apps are preschool tools. You also have Power BI and this is actually largely the exact same product as Excel. That way MS can double sell their toddler app. And so Excel users can also pretend to have two skills during their interview. Which gives a better impression than having them say they can't work with SQL, Gnumeric, SAS, Julia, ONLYOFFICE and they're actually too stupid to perform exact and/or advanced statistical/economic positions. What I mean by this is that 90% of Excel jobs can easily be automated with AI, because this is not an app for the gifted.

NTFS is shit on Linux, and that is a Microsoft fault?

I have already shown that it also sucks on windows with 4 links about different domains where it is not competitive. This was one of those links
https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/x3bmtc
Suppose it were a cyclist race, then you see that the winner arrives. A few seconds later the other cyclists arrive.

And five months later, the Microsoft team arrives, on tricycles.

PERFORMANCE OF FILESYSTEMS COMPARED

PERFORMANCE OF FILESYSTEMS COMPARED (includes Reiser4 and Ext4). - Phoronix Forums

Discuss anything Linux related that doesn't fit into any of the other areas.

www.phoronix.com

EXT4 default Standard ext4.
NTFS NTFS with Windows XP driver.

NTFS | 781 | 173 |
EXT4 extents | 162 | 55 |

173/55 = 3.145
781/162 = 4.821

 

[SchumannFrequency]

linux on the mainstream-desktop is never going to happen
stop just stop this is embarrssing

The year of the Linux Desktop already happened, just not in the way people wanted - Android and Chromebooks.

The year of the Linux Desktop already happened, just not in the way people wante... | Hacker News

news.ycombinator.com

 

[phanbuey]

linux on the mainstream-desktop is never going to happen
stop just stop this is embarrssing

I really had hope when linux was used on the Dell XPS developer edition -- I think it really shines in those cases. Without a major OEM with broad software support it's very hard to implement and support linux boxes/

The year of the Linux Desktop already happened, just not in the way people wanted - Android and Chromebooks.

The year of the Linux Desktop already happened, just not in the way people wante... | Hacker News

news.ycombinator.com

Agreed, the entire webapp/externally facing website cloud is primarily linux - windows is really mostly for corporate cloud management and intranets.

If you factor in MacOS being a heavily mutated version of Linux, plus SteamOS, android, ios, iot... then really Windows' area of strength becomes very concentrated in the gaming space and the corporate space (teams, excel, AD, SQL, exchange, office365). That being said, they dominate heavily in those spaces, and with their investment in automation and AI - I don't really see that dominance weakening.

 

[SchumannFrequency]

Russia tries to impose switch to Linux from Windows

lol no it didn't

Most laptops have a desktop where you can store shortcuts, files, and programs.
Chromebooks also have a desktop, there's still a wallpaper.
Since there are currently about 140 million Chromebook owners, you can say that the year of the Linux desktop has already happened.
ChromeOS fits the definition of Linux 100%.

Russia tries to impose switch to Linux from Windows

Russia tries to impose switch to Linux from Windows

The Russian government is switching from the Windows operating system to the open-source OS Linux and encouraging companies to follow suit.

www.freethink.com

While these changes won’t be imposed directly, the ministry states that in order to receive preferences in tax benefits, as well as government contracts, companies offering software products will be required to switch to Linux-based operating systems.

China's openKylin 1.0 arrives. Our verdict? Not a bad-looking, er, Ubuntu remix

China's Linux for the home market, openKylin, reaches 1.0

It's certainly not the country's 'first homegrown open source desktop operating system'

www.theregister.com

The project claims over 800,000 users, which is not bad going but doesn't place it in the Linux-distro big league just yet. Over 4,000 contributors and 3,000 repositories seems a little high, but then again, functions like an Android runtime and a voice assistant are not trivial, and it also supports Arm and RISC-V hardware along with x86-64.

UKUI is one of the most polished Linux desktops around, and puts most of the more mainstream Western desktops to shame. In our humble opinion, it's better looking than KDE or MATE, more functional than GNOME, and easier to use than all of them. If openKylin 1.0 is any indication, China is becoming a major force in desktop Linux innovation.

 

[SchumannFrequency]

Why are Russian programmers the best in the world?

Why are Russian programmers the best in the world?

They regularly win international informatics olympiads, work for IT companies all over the world and create popular online games and mobile apps,...

www.rbth.com

Why Russian and Chinese developers are the most successful?

Why Russian and Chinese developers are the most successful?

Where do the most talented software developers come from? So, why? One of the software engineering websites ranked the world’s top programmers based on their coding abilities. Russian and Chinese developers are the most successful.

www.linkedin.com

Here in the West we have a lot of people pretending to be somewhat knowledgable, but its all smoke and mirrors. Management. Consultants. IBM wankers talking about 'cognitive computing' -- incompetent people repeating buzzwords made up by the marketing department. Developers that can't list the 5 most common datatypes and their algoritmic complexity (i can just google it is not a proper answer for such a thing, since you have to be able to simulate composition of these things in your mind) Russia seems to reward actual fucking skill a lot more and the US tends to have a strong bias to favor people who are better at the 'narrative' side.

Bill Gates Didn’t Invent Anything

Bill Gates Didn’t Invent Anything

The Myth of Bill Gates

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The Myth of Bill Gates

Bill Gates didn’t actually invent anything.

How did the Amiga 500 compare to the Macs and PCs available at the time?

How did the Amiga 500 compare to the Macs and PCs available at the time?

Answer (1 of 5): Every Amiga system had up to 640×400 resolution in 16 colors, and as many as 4096 colors in lower resolutions. It had 4 channels of 8-bit digital sound, 2 left and 2 right in stereo output at sampling rates of up to 28kHz. It had a fully preemptive multitasking operating system t...

www.quora.com

The most common operating system was the single-tasking text-mode MS-DOS, though the relatively primitive Windows v1 was available, and the much-improved Windows v2 would be released only two months after the Amiga 500. Neither version of Windows yet supported preemptive multitasking; as on the Mac, applications had to explicitly give up, or be told to give up, control of the CPU before the task scheduler could switch to a new task.

The Commodore Amiga Was A Computer Ahead Of Its Time

The Commodore Amiga Was A Computer Ahead Of Its Time

Despite being ahead of its time when it was unveiled in 1985, the Commodore Amiga didn’t survive past 1996. The machine, which went up against with the likes of the IBM PC and the Macintosh, offered far superior hardware than its competitors. But it just wasn’t enough, as this video from Ahoy’s...

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Amiga vs Apple vs Microsoft

Amiga vs Apple vs Microsoft

We know Apple got their idea for an icon based GUI from Xereox, but wasn't Amiga already out or about to come out? 1) Who had the the GUI first? 2) From my understanding the Amiga was superior to Apple in almost every way---graphics, sound, and it had direct memory access independently of...

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Impartial applicants: What WAS the better platform...Amiga or Mac?

Impartial applicants: What WAS the better platform...Amiga or Mac?

Personally I'm biased, growing up with a Commodore 64, then picking up an Amiga 1000 in the late 80s. I always thought the 'real' computer geeks owned an Amiga, while those that had money to spend...well, they went for the aesthetically better looking Mac. View image...

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I always thought the 'real' computer geeks owned an Amiga, while those that had money to spend...well, they went for the aesthetically better looking Mac.

 

[dyonoctis]

Bill Gates Didn’t Invent Anything

Bill Gates Didn’t Invent Anything

The Myth of Bill Gates

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The Myth of Bill Gates

Bill Gates didn’t actually invent anything.

The thread is starting to get a weird turn...Bill Gates direct attack are the kind of argument that you use to see on Apple forums.
-"Windows was faster at copying the Xerox man-machine interface, but Steve Jobs planned to copy it first".
-"Android smartphones are nothing but a copy of the iPhone, Apple was betrayed by google".
Arguments that have little weight in real life, since the original inventor doesn't always make the best product, and there's innovation from imitators that end up being good for the general market. Just look at X86-64.

Windows is not perfect sure, but there's millions of people who managed to make a successfull career for themselves on windows. Using a specific OS doesn't make you a better person vs someone else who's not using it. Just use the right tool for the job

And the Russia/China argument got more to do with those respective country tension with the US. They are also actively trying to not rely too much on American social network/services.

 

[AnotherReader]

The thread is starting to get a weird turn...Bill Gates direct attack are the kind of argument that you use to see on Apple forums.
-"Windows was faster at copying the Xerox man-machine interface, but Steve Jobs planned to copy it first".
-"Android smartphones are nothing but a copy of the iPhone, Apple was betrayed by google".
Arguments that have little weight in real life, since the original inventor doesn't always make the best product, and there's innovation from imitators that end up being good for the general market. Just look at X86-64.

Windows is not perfect sure, but there's millions of people who managed to make a successfull career for themselves on windows. Using a specific OS doesn't make you a better person vs someone else who's not using it. Just use the right tool for the job

And the Russia/China argument got more to do with those respective country tension with the US. They are also actively trying to rely too much on American social network/services.

Moreover, that argument about multitasking is false. Mac OS only introduced multitasking in 2001 with Mac OS X. Before that, it used cooperative multitasking. Mac OS 8.6 used a very limited form of preemptive multitasking. Windows NT, since its initial version, and Windows 95 both beat Mac OS to preemptive multitasking by many years. The relevant portion of the Wikipedia article states:

Mac OS 8.6 added support to the Mac OS nanokernel to handle preemptive tasks via the Multiprocessing Services 2.x and later developer API. This update improved PowerBook battery life and added Sherlock 2.1. This free update for Mac users running 8.5 and 8.5.1 was faster and much more stable than either version of 8.5.x and was also the first version of Mac OS to display the version number as part of the startup screen. However, there was still no process separation; the system still used cooperative multitasking between processes, and even a process that is Multiprocessing Services-aware still had a portion that ran in the "blue task", which also ran all programs that were unaware of it, and was the only task that could run 68k code.

 

[Prime2515102]

I'm still waiting for Slackware on DVD to show up at Walmart.

 

[SchumannFrequency]

The thread is starting to get a weird turn...Bill Gates direct attack are the kind of argument that you use to see on Apple forums.
-"Windows was faster at copying the Xerox man-machine interface, but Steve Jobs planned to copy it first".
-"Android smartphones are nothing but a copy of the iPhone, Apple was betrayed by google".
Arguments that have little weight in real life, since the original inventor doesn't always make the best product, and there's innovation from imitators that end up being good for the general market. Just look at X86-64.

Windows is not perfect sure, but there's millions of people who managed to make a successfull career for themselves on windows. Using a specific OS doesn't make you a better person vs someone else who's not using it. Just use the right tool for the job

And the Russia/China argument got more to do with those respective country tension with the US. They are also actively trying to not rely too much on American social network/services.

My comment of Bill Gates is about the fact that he is often seen as a genius. But he hasn't done anything genius. Amiga was ahead of windows and macOS for a long time:

How the Amiga could have lived to age 30 and beyond

The Amiga, released in 1985, was ahead of its time, with color, graphics and multitasking. But it was doomed. Here's how Amiga could have survived.

dfarq.homeip.net

Revolutionary Graphics and Sound: The Legacy of the Amiga Computer - commodorehistory.com

The Amiga Computer: A Revolutionary Machine Ahead of Its Time In the early 1980s, the personal computer market was dominated by IBM and Apple. However, in 1985, a new player entered the game – the Amiga computer. Developed by Commodore International, the Amiga was a revolutionary machine that...

commodorehistory.com

The success of Bill Gates seems to me to be pure coincidence.
He might as well have been unemployed if Amiga had been better managed.

Both China and Russia have the best programmers and see little need in the windows desktop. They are both abandoning windows. You also see that the desktop market is declining and mobile is increasing, so windows is quietly disappearing anyway and can be replaced by Linux on the desktop.

I really notice that Clear Linux gives a better browsing experience than windows. And it can also achieve higher game performance, especially if games are optimized for Clear Linux.

‘Windows is a declining ecosystem,' Jamf CEO says

‘Windows is a declining ecosystem,’ Jamf CEO says

Dean Hager argues that Windows is on its way out: “Organizations must realize that in 10 years’ time, Windows will not be the dominant ecosystem."

www.computerworld.com

Global PC Shipments See Record YoY Decline in Q4 2022

Counterpoint

www.counterpointresearch.com

Linux holds more than 8% market share in India., and it's on the upwards trend.
https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/xix3sn
Indian State Tamil Nadu Switches To Linux From Windows XP

Indian State Tamil Nadu Switches To Linux From Windows XP

Southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu has decided to switch to Linux. The move is influenced with the end of support for Windows XP. State’s Information Technology Department has suggested to opt for Bharat Operating System Solutions Linux (BOSS Linux) as a Windows XP replacement for all state owned

itsfoss.com

 

[claes]

@SchumannFrequency is not only the type that believes whatever they read on Reddit, but draws correlation by googling their thesis and then posting the top five results that, surprise, are their thesis, with little regard for the veracity of their source. When simply posting random articles fails, they defer to personal experiences. When that fails, they call everyone who uses excel pre-schoolers.

If you haven’t noticed their obsession with web apps, the denizen and holy grail of power users, data scientists, and programmers, from the dozens of browser benchmarking threads they’ve made here, check out this fun thread on hard drives, where thir argument devolves into trustpilot reviews.

WD SN850X 1TB for $99.99

At B&H and Amazon: WD SN850X 1TB for $99.99 $109.99 for the 'with heatsink' version Not sure how hot of a deal this is, but it does seem to be a least warm.

www.techpowerup.com

Or their weird threads on the superiority of Linux audio, where often the best evidence of that claim is recordings of their audio setup taken from discount phones (you know, like the pros use when mixing albums).

In short, do not feed the trolls. There’s no rational argument to be had here, just someone convinced of their own ideas with little reason to support them.