Alleged AMD AM5 Socket for Zen 4 Raphael Processors Leaks

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We now return you all to the regularly scheduled article discussion..

 

[yotano211]

Hard to hold, hard to resist .

Might want to seek a doctor on that problem, I would suggest Dr Lisa Su.

 

[NC37]

Finally. It's about damn time we get some kind of CPU retention system. Bending pins on heatsink removals is something that should have stayed in the 90s.

r/WOOOOSH

I've seen people complain about this over the years and I've never ever had it happen or done it myself. This is from PowerMac ZIF sockets to AMD PGA (which is the same thing). Only time I've ever seen bent pins was on salvage CPUs.

Really what are you people doing to mess them up? Installing the in the wrong way and then forcing them instead of just reorienting? It's just silly.

 

[tabascosauz]

I've seen people complain about this over the years and I've never ever had it happen or done it myself. This is from PowerMac ZIF sockets to AMD PGA (which is the same thing). Only time I've ever seen bent pins was on salvage CPUs.

Really what are you people doing to mess them up? Installing the in the wrong way and then forcing them instead of just reorienting? It's just silly.

I use exclusively Secufirm so I've never had it happen to me, but from what I hear the AM4 stock coolers are pretty risky and there's not a whole lot that can be done about it. Something to do with the integrated retention mechanism, being hard to remove, and the fact that the pre-applied paste on them is sticky and utter garbage.

 

[Cybrshrk]

ohhhhh like my LGA-1207 2005 Opteron 2214/18 and 2006 Opteron 8356 Socket F .... still need to find a mobo ... ahahah ... (or TRX4/sWRX8 in a more modern fashion)
(i love these CPU ... alongside my socket 940, Opty 240/250/270/275 in my collection .... and i have 2 mobo for them this time)

oh well it was server/HEDT only for AMD before hehehe

they did maintain PGA with brilliance for long enough nonetheless, not minding the change, if they keep that behaviour (glad that my AM4 system can still have a worthy upgrade if needed, but a complete change if the 3600 hold long enough, will not be a problem either.)

sidenote, hilarious :
also for glueing things together ... Intel bashed AMD (childishly so ...) for using multiple "glued" die ... and now for their next gen they will do it ... but it's the "bee's knees" ... more "knee-jerk move" rather



edit... never bent a pin on a AMD cpu, ever since S939 till now... my last bent pin CPU was a ... 486DX (twisting and sliding works fine ... )

Both sides play the "oh its cool now that you're doing it?" Card I mean this article is literally about AMD adapting something Intel has used for decade plus.

And though I think amd now is a pretty solid product that I would likely go with if I needed an upgrade right now, the truth is when ryzen first arrived it was a bit of a dodgy mess. I didn't have one ryzen system I built in the first 2 years that didn't have multiple issues that kept them from booting on multiple occasions.

There was certainly some growing pains and the "glued together" while I pretty shoddy attack wasn't too far from the truth with early ryzen.

If Intel ends up in a similar boat for reliability with the new platform I'll be skipping them for sure.

I have no allegiance but I do call it as I see it and Intel has until just very recently been the only real option for a highest performing solid gaming platform.

Times have changed and I'll be glad to go either way when my next upgrade come around.

That is unless one or the other screw these upgrades up and deliver something as rough around the edges as early ryzen.

Also maybe you haven't done it but EVERY friend who decided to build themselves vs having me do it has had bent pin scares.

Granted that's only 3 during the ryzen days but still it's certainly easy for someone not super experienced but comfortable enough to build a system (ie knowing just enough to be "dangerous")

I've personally built a dozen or so ryzen systems and the first 5 during ryzen 1xxz and 2xxx all were frustrating to say the least.

The last 4 ryzen 5xxx have all went fine and like I said I have no real problem with recommending or even using it for my next build.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I've seen people complain about this over the years and I've never ever had it happen or done it myself. This is from PowerMac ZIF sockets to AMD PGA (which is the same thing). Only time I've ever seen bent pins was on salvage CPUs.

Really what are you people doing to mess them up? Installing the in the wrong way and then forcing them instead of just reorienting? It's just silly.

I've also never damaged a LGA motherboard, yet people complain about that to. Not happening to you =! problem not existing.

Once paste hardens with use and time it's common for the CPU to adhere itself to the cooler. Trying to remove the chip with a screwdriver will help you feel how strong that adherence is, and no, twisting is not sufficient to 100% prevent this. Especially if you dont have much room. If you have a tower air cooler where you can easily twist 90 degrees or more it works well, but if you have one of the larger coolers that can only turn 10-15 degrees before hitting something that rate of turn is not enough to break the connection, and the CPU comes up with the cooler. If there are any voids between the CPU and heatsink, or air pockets, trying to remove the cooler without opening said void to the air creates a vaccumm, which only makes it harder to take the CPU off.

This was an issue on intel pre LGA 775 as well. The biggest issue though is despite YEARS of complaints AMD did nothing about it. Having a CPU retention plate is not exclusive to LGA, and IIRC there was a company that made a plate that could hold the CPU in place, really a very simple plate that nobody bothered including with their motherboard or cooling solutions. Only that specific water cooler included it.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Both sides play the "oh its cool now that you're doing it?" Card I mean this article is literally about AMD adapting something Intel has used for decade plus.

And though I think amd now is a pretty solid product that I would likely go with if I needed an upgrade right now, the truth is when ryzen first arrived it was a bit of a dodgy mess. I didn't have one ryzen system I built in the first 2 years that didn't have multiple issues that kept them from booting on multiple occasions.

There was certainly some growing pains and the "glued together" while I pretty shoddy attack wasn't too far from the truth with early ryzen.

If Intel ends up in a similar boat for reliability with the new platform I'll be skipping them for sure.

I have no allegiance but I do call it as I see it and Intel has until just very recently been the only real option for a highest performing solid gaming platform.

Times have changed and I'll be glad to go either way when my next upgrade come around.

That is unless one or the other screw these upgrades up and deliver something as rough around the edges as early ryzen.

Also maybe you haven't done it but EVERY friend who decided to build themselves vs having me do it has had bent pin scares.

Granted that's only 3 during the ryzen days but still it's certainly easy for someone not super experienced but comfortable enough to build a system (ie knowing just enough to be "dangerous")

I've personally built a dozen or so ryzen systems and the first 5 during ryzen 1xxz and 2xxx all were frustrating to say the least.

The last 4 ryzen 5xxx have all went fine and like I said I have no real problem with recommending or even using it for my next build.

well AMD used it for hummmm not decadS but almost ... with Servers and HEDT nonetheless 2006-2021 and i would have liked seeing AM4 in LGA rather than PGA but well ... got used to it
got more socket pin bent tho and that, is harder to fix with a credit card in an unconventional way (nono ... not rebuying a new CPU) than a PGA ... well wrong wording ... it's easier to fix with a credit card (rebuying a new mobo) in a conventional way (sorry for the lame joke but i take that from a friend who unbent a Fx-57 using that "technic" and fixed his bent 775 system by buying a new mobo )

as for the rest, i perfectly understand you, i switched to Ryzen with the R5 3600 last week, thus i did not have to experience 1st gen Ryzen woes (well i got the RAM not in QVL woe nonetheless )

@tabascosauz the AM4 wraith **spire** use the backplate and need the removal of the "hook" bracket, my Wraith stealth was like that, 4 springloaded screws, but yeah the past is sticky as hell, nothing a good "twist'n slide" couldn't fix when i replaced it with the ETS-T50, dunno about prior to 3XXX Ryzen tho ...

hardened past is seemingly the main culprit ... well luckily i refresh my TIM quite often and also the TIM i use do not dry up too fast (aside bad batches .... in case of my Thermal Grizzly products )

 

[tabascosauz]

well AMD used it for hummmm not decadS but almost ... with Servers and HEDT nonetheless 2006-2021 and i would have liked seeing AM4 in LGA rather than PGA but well ... got used to it
got more socket pin bent tho and that, is harder to fix with a credit card in an unconventional way (nono ... not rebuying a new CPU) than a PGA ... well wrong wording ... it's easier to fix with a credit card (rebuying a new mobo) in a conventional way (sorry for the lame joke but i take that from a friend who unbent a Fx-57 using that "technic" and fixed his bent 775 system by buying a new mobo )

as for the rest, i perfectly understand you, i switched to Ryzen with the R5 3600 last week, thus i did not have to experience 1st gen Ryzen woes (well i got the RAM not in QVL woe nonetheless )

@tabascosauz the AM4 wraith use the backplate and need the removal of the "hook" bracket, my Wraith stealth was like that, 4 springloaded screws, but yeah the past is sticky as hell, nothing a good "twist'n slide" couldn't fix when i replaced it with the ETS-T50, dunno about prior to 3XXX Ryzen tho ...

hardened past is seemingly the main culprit ... well luckily i refresh my TIM quite often and also the TIM i use do not dry up too fast (aside bad batches .... in case of my Thermal Grizzly products )

Early production Ryzen 3000 suffered greatly at the hands of AMD (myself included). They basically ran a Tesla business model until 2020 - loyal customers=beta testers. Dogshit silicon quality, never properly hit boost speeds even after AGESA "fixes", IF-related WHEA 19s out the wazoo at 3600 or below, core-related WHEA 18s out the wazoo, cache hierarchy WHEA, assorted random bugs and weird behaviour.

If your chip is summer 2020 or later it was pretty much silky smooth sailing. Perfect time to buy into the platform.

I didn't actually know the lower end Wraiths use pushpins, interesting. I meant the Wraith RGB/Prism/Max (I thought they were the "desirable" stock cooler), nice coolers (on performance alone I'm not even sure if the L9x65 is better), but the installation method is kinda a bitch.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Early production Ryzen 3000 suffered greatly at the hands of AMD (myself included). They basically ran a Tesla business model until 2020 - loyal customers=beta testers. Dogshit silicon quality, never properly hit boost speeds even after AGESA "fixes", IF-related WHEA 19s out the wazoo at 3600 or below, core-related WHEA 18s out the wazoo, cache hierarchy WHEA, assorted random bugs and weird behaviour.

If your chip is summer 2020 or later it was pretty much silky smooth sailing. Perfect time to buy into the platform.

I didn't actually know the lower end Wraiths use pushpins, interesting. I meant the Wraith RGB/Prism/Max (I thought they were the "desirable" stock cooler), nice coolers (on performance alone I'm not even sure if the L9x65 is better), but the installation method is kinda a bitch.

nononono, not pushpins, actual true springloaded screws as in "they screw in the factory backplate", if it was not as Stealth but rather a Spire/Spire RGB i might have not changed it (the Wraith Max and Prism ,indeed, use the standard retention bracket tho ... but they are beefier with heatpipes )

Spoiler: yep, by far one of the best stock cooler i had and way more stable than pushpins

Spoiler: spire

and yeah, i think my 3600 is a second batch did not check

 

[Deleted member 185088]

I highly doubt the ihs is like that


I only had that problem with a 478 p4, after i figured it out, i havent bent a pin since.

While I haven't bent a pin, it was surprising to see my 3900x stuck to the cooler.