Alleged ASUS AMD X570 Motherboard Price-list Paints a Horror Story

phanbuey · Jun 11, 2019

If its anything like past releases where a b350 and a 2700 with a bit of tweaking = and x470 and a 2700x perfomance then it was never worth to begin with

s3thra · Jun 11, 2019

Could this be partly due to the Trump tariffs finally taking effect, and being that these product are new, they are incurring the new, higher prices?

Oh, and Australian motherboard prices say hi...

Vario · Jun 11, 2019

Anyone considering purchasing a new older series motherboard now before the 3000 series launch should wait until after launch when hopefully positive anecdotal reports come in about compatibility with the new Ryzen 2 series.

shmuck · Jun 11, 2019

Vario said:
Anyone considering purchasing a new older series motherboard now before the 3000 series launch should wait until after launch when hopefully positive anecdotal reports come in about compatibility with the new Ryzen 2 series.

I'm waiting for some Ryzen 3000 paired with B450 reviews. Both CPU and RAM overclockability are of particular interest. MSI Tomahawk and Gaming Pro Carbon are my top contenders for the moment, but I'm not pulling the trigger until I see some numbers.

Hardware Geek · Jun 11, 2019

So there is a wide range of prices and options for x570. I fail to see the issue.

TheDeeGee · Jun 11, 2019

40 MM Fans are expensive you know...

snakefist · Jun 11, 2019

Metroid said:
Taking the tdp of both, 2700x = 105w and 3950x = 105w, we can assume even a b450 will work pretty good with the top of the line monster 16 cores 3950x.

That is yet to be seen, tdp wise, 2700x and 3950x are equal.

Yeah, that's about what I'm interested in - I have 1500X on 370 (I need 370 because I need as much of M.2 and cached HDDs - long story). I *might* buy another CPU on, say, B450 if I can move all those drives in, if the deal is better - and that only because I'm keeping what I have, I need another mid-range system.

PCI4.0 is currently not of my interest.

Manu_PT · Jun 11, 2019

Hardware Geek said:
So there is a wide range of prices and options for x570. I fail to see the issue.

The issue is that if you try any sort of good CPU overclock + good ram overclock on a 160€ entry level motherboard like those , high chances you will fail hard. Did you bother to see those VRMs? That´s low -end material being sold at 160€. But you do what you want with your money of course!

Fatalfury · Jun 11, 2019

Asus- "Overpricing everything since 25 years.."
Also called Asus premium tax.

Metroid · Jun 11, 2019

Fatalfury said:
Asus- "Overpricing everything since 25 years.."
Also called Asus premium tax.

Even lower end is $20 more than the others and that in the lower end is a lot of money. Asus- "Overpricing everything since 25 years.." hehe

snakefist said:
Yeah, that's about what I'm interested in - I have 1500X on 370 (I need 370 because I need as much of M.2 and cached HDDs - long story). I *might* buy another CPU on, say, B450 if I can move all those drives in, if the deal is better - and that only because I'm keeping what I have, I need another mid-range system.

PCI4.0 is currently not of my interest.

At the moment only people with more money than sense will buy a x570. Buying a b450 will save $80 which can be used for something else, all things considered, we have to wait and see how asrock will price its x570. Like I said before asus charging $160 for its entry x570 is good news.

Aretak · Jun 11, 2019

Metroid said:
It seems that update was blocked by amd itself.

I wouldn't blame them if they've told motherboard manufacturers not to do it. AMD will end up being the ones who get the blowback if/when it doesn't work as expected. I still remember what an absolute mess X79 was with regards to the 2.0/3.0 switchover. Some boards could handle 3.0, some couldn't. Some CPUs could handle it, some couldn't. Even some specific revisions of CPUs could handle it, but not others. Nvidia still disable PCIe 3.0 support on X79 to this day when using a Sandy Bridge-E chip, with manual patching required to remove the restriction. My 3970X and X79-Deluxe combo could handle 3.0 just fine, but it was unstable on many other chips and boards.

Nordic · Jun 11, 2019

Vario said:
Anyone considering purchasing a new older series motherboard now before the 3000 series launch should wait until after launch when hopefully positive anecdotal reports come in about compatibility with the new Ryzen 2 series.

I was thinking about doing just that until I saw that there was no x470 matx motherboards on newegg. I don't want to buy a new case, so therefor I am buying matx, which means no X470 for me then.

Hardware Geek · Jun 11, 2019

Manu_PT said:
The issue is that if you try any sort of good CPU overclock + good ram overclock on a 160€ entry level motherboard like those , high chances you will fail hard. Did you bother to see those VRMs? That´s low -end material being sold at 160€. But you do what you want with your money of course!

Presumably if one is inclined to overclock their CPU and RAM, they will likely buy a higher quality board.
My point was that there is a wide range of prices and if you just want to buy something to run stock speeds, you can do that at a reasonable price. I guess my comment was too vague. My apologies.

Would I buy a low end board? No way. But I am not the target market for low end hardware and there are higher end options for those of us that want to overclock, etc.

Metroid · Jun 11, 2019

Aretak said:
I wouldn't blame them if they've told motherboard manufacturers not to do it. AMD will end up being the ones who get the blowback if/when it doesn't work as expected. I still remember what an absolute mess X79 was with regards to the 2.0/3.0 switchover. Some boards could handle 3.0, some couldn't. Some CPUs could handle it, some couldn't. Even some specific revisions of CPUs could handle it, but not others. Nvidia still disable PCIe 3.0 support on X79 to this day when using a Sandy Bridge-E chip, with manual patching required to remove the restriction. My 3970X and X79-Deluxe combo could handle 3.0 just fine, but it was unstable on many other chips and boards.

I guess that is why they decided to disable it prior x570.

Dristun · Jun 11, 2019

I just want Thunderbolt 3 ports on my Ryzen system and don't care about overclocking, seems like at least Gigabyte and AsRock will have boards equipped with those.

kapone32 · Jun 11, 2019

Athlonite said:
Back on topic if per say PCIe 4.0 is the only difference then why is there a huge difference in price between x470 and x570 I mean all PCIe 4.0 is is an increase in bandwidth from PCIe 3.0 right but is that really where it ends is that really all there is to it IMHO probably not

It is not the only the difference because of the signal requirements for PCI_E 4.0, the X570 boards are at the least a 6 layer PCB. There is no X470 with that thick a PCB. Other things like Wifi 6, Thunderbolt support (on some), WIFI 6 and VRM upgrades using enterprise level parts (GIgabyte Aorus X570, I don't even want to know what that board will cost with the Infineon VRM controller that is a natural 16 phase VRM.

s3thra said:
Could this be partly due to the Trump tariffs finally taking effect, and being that these product are new, they are incurring the new, higher prices?

Oh, and Australian motherboard prices say hi...

Asus is based in Taiwan and not China so no.

TheLostSwede · Jun 11, 2019

Keep in mind that we'll be getting 4, 6 and 8-layer boards and the cost of adding additional PCB layers is a fair amount of money for one, this is not new though, but...
All X570 boards also use higher quality/lower noise/reduced interference materials for the PCIe 4.0 signaling, which adds further cost (I mentioned this elsewhere).
As such, the base PCBA is already costing more than on previous generation products.
Add a more expensive chipset, additional components for PCIe 4.0 signal integrity and you end up with more expensive boards.
I'm sure the prices will come down over time, as they always do, but it seems as hardware is getting faster and more complex, prices goes up.
I guess we're all so used with the fact that prices have in general come down as we make advancements, but it seems that we've reached a point in time, where this is no longer true for a lot of things.

kapone32 · Jun 11, 2019

Manu_PT said:
The issue is that if you try any sort of good CPU overclock + good ram overclock on a 160€ entry level motherboard like those , high chances you will fail hard. Did you bother to see those VRMs? That´s low -end material being sold at 160€. But you do what you want with your money of course!

Not sure about the new chips but XFR2 and PBO currently do a better job on Ryzen CPUs than a straight up OC.

phill · Jun 11, 2019

TheLostSwede said:
Keep in mind that we'll be getting 4, 6 and 8-layer boards and the cost of adding additional PCB layers is a fair amount of money for one, this is not new though, but...
All X570 boards also use higher quality/lower noise/reduced interference materials for the PCIe 4.0 signaling, which adds further cost (I mentioned this elsewhere).
As such, the base PCBA is already costing more than on previous generation products.
Add a more expensive chipset, additional components for PCIe 4.0 signal integrity and you end up with more expensive boards.
I'm sure the prices will come down over time, as they always do, but it seems as hardware is getting faster and more complex, prices goes up.
I guess we're all so used with the fact that prices have in general come down as we make advancements, but it seems that we've reached a point in time, where this is no longer true for a lot of things.

I thought some of the higher end Asrock boards are 10 layers or more? They aren't as expensive.. It just seems like such a price hike for nothing more than greed to me. Yes the newer advance tech might cost a little but not as much as Asus are supposedly selling it for.
That just seems a OTT....

illli · Jun 11, 2019

how is this a 'horror story' when intel has been pricing their boards like this, and worse? doing forced obsolescence in order to make you have to buy a new motherboard like every other year lol. At least AM4 has been around a long time.
Anyways, the REAL horror story is i haven't seen ONE micro atx motherboard

GreiverBlade · Jun 11, 2019

cute .... their price are almost on par with the X470 for me ... enjoy

the cheapest decent X470 is 160$ and the highest is around 289$

DeOdView · Jun 11, 2019

I'm curious to how much the IC cost?
MBs ranging $150 - $700.

Did AMD make you (MB MFGs) sell that high? I don't remember AMD sold the MBs to you? NO?!
YOU made them and decided to sell them that MUCH and cry foul on AMD???

NO, seriously?! what's wrong with this picture?

Mining prices on the Video reminded me all over again...

Sighs!

TheLostSwede · Jun 11, 2019

phill said:
I thought some of the higher end Asrock boards are 10 layers or more? They aren't as expensive.. It just seems like such a price hike for nothing more than greed to me. Yes the newer advance tech might cost a little but not as much as Asus are supposedly selling it for.
That just seems a OTT....

And your level of experience in PCBA manufacturing is?
There might be one or two 10 layer consumer boards, but that's it, it simply doesn't make sense.
Most are four or six layer boards, eight is in fact quite extreme.
However, this is the first generation of consumer boards that need low loss materials. Some details here, albeit a bit old https://www.lboro.ac.uk/microsites/research/iemrc/documents/EventsDocuments/2012 conference/presentations/A Morgan Low Loss High speed laminates - What is really needed.pdf
This is a fairly big transition in terms of PCBA manufacturing materials, but I guess you wouldn't know much about that, as I presume you haven't actually been involved in making any hardware.

Also keep in mind that ASRock has a $999 board...

Edit: It's not low loss, it's mid-loss, I keep getting that wrong...

HD64G · Jun 11, 2019

Totally indifferent to those prices. A good B450 is more than enough for any stock Ryzen 3000, even the 3950 since the efficiency of the 7nm process is great and the algorithms in the cores work well also.

TheLostSwede · Jun 11, 2019

illli said:
how is this a 'horror story' when intel has been pricing their boards like this, and worse? doing forced obsolescence in order to make you have to buy a new motherboard like every other year lol. At least AM4 has been around a long time.
Anyways, the REAL horror story is i haven't seen ONE micro atx motherboard

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