AM4 and VRMs

Frick · 2024-09-07T19:09:47+0100

Hey. So I'm seriously considering a 5700x3d, and I came upon this VRM Tier List, and I really dislike other tier lists, so my question is basically what does that all mean? My current motherboard (Asrock B450M-HDV) is really far down on the list and it suggests it will not be able to run a 5700X3D at stock CPU speeds. Is that how it works? I've been wanting a new motherboard for some time now, mostly because of storage (second NVMe and more SATA ports mainly, secondly more PCIe slots), but I'm honestly not keen on it.

oxrufiioxo · 2024-09-07T19:20:40+0100

You'd likely need to drop it to 65-75w how much that'd effect performance who knows probably not much for gaming.

I'm not sure if temps or the actual power delivery in general would be the issue but that board looks like it's more geared towards 65w.

Your current cpu should sit around 70w at stock settings the 5700X3D is around 118w just for comparison.

TheLostSwede · 2024-09-07T19:21:02+0100

With the X3D chips, you don't have to worry too much and at the end of the day, all the boards are built to work with all of the CPUs in the supported CPU list for that board. Is the CPU in there? Then you're good to go.
Considering you can't overclock the X3D chips, a standard VRM isn't going to cause any issues.

In your case, the 5800X3D is on the supported CPU list, as is the 5700X3D, so they will work just fine.

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oxrufiioxo said:
You'd likely need to drop it to 65-75w how much that'd effect performance who knows probably not much for gaming.

Why? The board supports 105 W CPUs.

yfn_ratchet · 2024-09-07T19:23:05+0100

A proper VRM tier list is splitting hairs IMO, usually you can tell how 'good' (or overbuilt, in a vast majority of motherboards) a VRM assortment is at a glance to surprising accuracy. Official spec for the B450M-HDV is 105W, and while the 5700X3D is not included in the official support list, its predecessor the 5800X3D is.

A motherboard first and foremost should be about what expandability and capabilites you want, so if you want to OC your 5700X3D, up the PPT to 150W, and slap a +100mV offset on it, you'll want something newer and beefier—same for if you want more/faster NVMe slots. Even a $100ish B550 board would suit that need for you.

oxrufiioxo · 2024-09-07T19:23:22+0100

TheLostSwede said:
Why? The board supports 105 W CPUs.

Sure go for it.... At least if there are issues running the cpu he'll know right away.

A lot of boards claim 5950x support and while technically true it's at a 20% hit to perfomance.

TheLostSwede · 2024-09-07T19:26:30+0100

oxrufiioxo said:
Sure go for it.... At least if there are issues running the cpu he'll know right away.

A lot of boards claim 5950x support and while technically true it's at a 20% hit to perfomance.

Fair enough, but those CPUs have another CCD.

yfn_ratchet said:
Official spec for the B450M-HDV is 105W, and while the 5700X3D is not included in the official support list, its predecessor the 5800X3D is.

It is, it's at the bottom of the list with a new UEFI being needed.

oxrufiioxo · 2024-09-07T19:27:51+0100

TheLostSwede said:
Fair enough, but those CPUs have another CCD.

It is, it's at the bottom of the list with a new UEFI being needed.

To be fair I'd give it a go also I'd just have a plan B my statement was more of a worst case scenario.

ShrimpBrime · 2024-09-07T19:28:12+0100

Frick said:
Hey. So I'm seriously considering a 5700x3d, and I came upon this VRM Tier List, and I really dislike other tier lists, so my question is basically what does that all mean? My current motherboard (Asrock B450M-HDV) is really far down on the list and it suggests it will not be able to run a 5700X3D at stock CPU speeds. Is that how it works? I've been wanting a new motherboard for some time now, mostly because of storage (second NVMe and more SATA ports mainly, secondly more PCIe slots), but I'm honestly not keen on it.

Here is the specs off the tier list.

Yeah, I'd upgrade the board for sure.

4+3 won't handle it. The board will probably derate the cpu automatically from first post. My B450M-A did that with 2700X. A totally different story in my B450-I strix though. Can even overclock PBO.


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yfn_ratchet · 2024-09-07T19:30:08+0100

TheLostSwede said:
Fair enough, but those CPUs have another CCD.

It is, it's at the bottom of the list with a new UEFI being needed.

Huh! It is. I didn't think to scroll straight to the bottom, thought it'd be nestled in with the other Vermeer chips. Nice catch.

TheLostSwede · 2024-09-07T19:32:17+0100

yfn_ratchet said:
Huh! It is. I didn't think to scroll straight to the bottom, thought it'd be nestled in with the other Vermeer chips. Nice catch.

Yeah, very messy list of CPUs there.

Vya Domus · 2024-09-07T19:44:46+0100

I really doubt even that board would have trouble with a 5700X3D, these are not high TDP CPUs. I used a B450M Pro4 with a 1700X OC'd to ~140W and it was fine, this board looks like it has worse VRMs but still I doubt it can't handle 105W, which doesn't actually use that much power anyway.

iuliug · 2024-09-07T19:47:55+0100

ShrimpBrime said:
4+3 won't handle it. The board will probably derate the cpu automatically from first post. My B450M-A did that with 2700X. A totally different story in my B450-I strix though. Can even overclock PBO.

In real case full loads, what frequency did the 2700x ran on the B450M-A?

taka · 2024-09-07T19:51:36+0100

I'm running a 5700x3d on a MSI B550-A Pro with a CO -25 all cores and here is the power under cpu burner.

oxrufiioxo · 2024-09-07T19:54:36+0100

taka said:
I'm running a 5700x3d on a MSI B550-A Pro with a CO -25 all cores and here is the power under cpu burner.

View attachment 362468

That should be doable it would load about 12A per phase.

ShrimpBrime · 2024-09-07T19:55:01+0100

iuliug said:
In real case full loads, what frequency did the 2700x ran on the B450M-A?

In the Raijin case on the stock cooler, it would throttle. 95c was no problem. I know this isn't a 5700X3D, the VRMs just cooked. Had to actively cool them. So extra fan or cpu fan on turbo.

eidairaman1 · 2024-09-07T20:01:22+0100

ShrimpBrime said:
In the Raijin case on the stock cooler, it would throttle. 95c was no problem. I know this isn't a 5700X3D, the VRMs just cooked. Had to actively cool them. So extra fan or cpu fan on turbo.

I was thinking the same. MSi just doesn't speak quality for me...

ShrimpBrime · 2024-09-07T20:14:39+0100

eidairaman1 said:
I was thinking the same. MSi just doesn't speak quality for me...

Well, those where Asus boards, OP is running AsRock, and MSI seems hit or miss on some of these lower "tier" boards. Mortar Max was praised by a lot of people though. I think that was middle upper tier.

The B450-I strix is a badass board though. It's been running since at least 2018 daily. Has had everything except 3rd gen installed in it

. Currently a 5600G with 6700 xt. Not a terrible match for 1440p.

Case reference.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/raijintek-aeneas/

Pic of ~~B450M~~-A. 2017
Nope sorry that's A320 m-k.

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AM4 and VRMs

Frick

Fishfaced Nincompoop

oxrufiioxo

TheLostSwede

News Editor

ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0

yfn_ratchet

oxrufiioxo

TheLostSwede

News Editor

oxrufiioxo

ShrimpBrime

yfn_ratchet

TheLostSwede

News Editor

Vya Domus

iuliug

taka

oxrufiioxo

ShrimpBrime

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman

ShrimpBrime

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