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Thanks for explaining.

It's always good to make an informed purchase. I read the thread before the hijack and I agree with the recommendation for the B650E-E Strix. Only heard good things about it. Cheers
 
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I was really surprised that a board that costs 195eur new and 145eur used in mint condition can have 3xpcie4 nvme, so many usb connections, wifi AND pack alc4080 (I understand that's top tier built-in audio these days). Thanks for the recommendation. Still thinking what to do with cpu. 7500f is nice, very fast and cheap too.
a whole b650 tomahawk wifi+7500f+32g ddr5 6000 c30 setup would cost about 450eur. I would need a new cooler too, my old one doesn't have an am4/am5 mount, and it's quite large too. Would like to sell it and get a new 120mm that wouldn't block the access to the pcie clip like my d15s. any recommendations ? maybe the new arctic 36 ?
My recent AM5 upgrade kit for client:

AMD Ryzen 5 7600 5.1GHz 6C/12T AM5
GIGABYTE B650M DS3H AM5 DDR5 mATX
G.Skill Flare X5 32GB DDR5 6000MHz Cl 30
DeepCool AG620 BK ARGB

~ EUR 547.60

My alternative for you to save here and there, also, with your choice 7500F CPU:

GIGABYTE B650M DS3H AM5 DDR5 mATX
AMD AM5 Ryzen 7500F Tray 3,7GHz 6x Core 65W Boost 5 GHz 32MB Cache
PATRIOT VIPER VENOM DDR5 32GB 2X16GB 6000 Cl 36
DeepCool AG500 BK ARGB

~ EUR 473.90

I have tested the 7600 for fun with AG500 but with 2nd fan and it was PERFECTLY FINE without OC. So plain AG500 for 7500F is enough, AG620 even with 1 fan is better for OC or some ~5 C lower temps I'd suggest.:)
 
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My recent AM5 upgrade kit for client:

AMD Ryzen 5 7600 5.1GHz 6C/12T AM5
GIGABYTE B650M DS3H AM5 DDR5 mATX
G.Skill Flare X5 32GB DDR5 6000MHz
DeepCool AG620 BK ARGB

~ EUR 547.60

My alternative for you to save here and there, also, with your choice 7500F CPU:

GIGABYTE B650M DS3H AM5 DDR5 mATX
AMD AM5 Ryzen 7500F Tray 3,7GHz 6x Core 65W Boost 5 GHz 32MB Cache
PATRIOT VIPER VENOM DDR5 32GB 2X16GB
DeepCool AG500 BK ARGB

~ EUR 473.90

I have tested the 7600 for fun with AG500 but with 2nd fan and it was PERFECTLY FINE without OC.So plain AG500 for 7500F is enough, AG620 even with 1 fan is better for OC or some ~5 C lower temps I'dsuggest.:)
I wonder how this would do with a 7500f or a 7700
 

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Color me surprised, expected 7900x3d to beat 7800x3d. Must be some sort of CCD related stuff. I'm unaware of anyone really arguing its superiority, but I'm new here. I mean, the charts speak for themselves, right ? If 7950x3d is behind 7800x3d and 13700k, I expect 7900x3d to be similar, if not worse.

With X3D R9 there're two theoretical problems but I don't know how practical, noticeable they are on daily basis. And it's not even counting 7900X3D having only six X3D cores. First is dual CCD latency and secound scheduling mess I'm not sure AMD solved yet or plans to solve. Need to e.g. use Process Lasso what is imo absurd due to me expecting CPU working the best way out of the box or at least tending so. Not counting stupid default ideas of mobo manufacturers, voltages and similar, but all being different topic. Both problems may impact performance and I would love to know if somebody has some honest experience to share. Ofc not counting 7900X3D guy who managed to show up impressively fast, like there's no dual CCD latency lol
 
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It is. If you don't mind, I will explain how it works for you.

The 12-core Ryzen 9's have an unique topology, as they're basically two 6-core Ryzen 5's conjoined. For example, both the 5900X and 7900X are built out of two 5600X and 7600X "compute dies", respectively. The 5950X and 7950X processors are likewise built out of two 5800X and 7800X, respectively. With the new Ryzen 9 X3D's, AMD did something different: one compute die is identical to its standard counterpart, while the other is identical to its X3D counterpart. This means that they carry both the strengths and weaknesses of both types of CPUs - so the 7950X3D is built out of one 7800X and one 7800X3D die, and the 7900X3D is built out of one 7600X and one "7600X3D".

A long standing weakness of the 12-core Ryzen 9's has been the fact that they have 6 cores per CCD, which causes a relative performance regression compared to the 8- and 16-core models on applications which spread across 8+ CPU threads. This is because there is a certain penalty for synchronizing and accessing data on the other compute die, as well as a bandwidth bottleneck involved. The 16-core model isn't affected as badly because both partitions contain a full 8-core 16-thread processor complete with all of its resources, so in the worst case scenario for the 7950X3D, it'll not scale as well as the standard 7950X or an eventual model that would have two X3D-equipped compute dies. To help optimize scheduling and making sure that applications perform as well as they can, AMD provides a software driver that will cause Windows to attempt to throw certain workloads to a "side" of the processor, necessarily depriving programs of some of the other side's resources.

Specifically, in the case of the 7900X3D, you get hit by this problem two-fold: one is that it's 6+6 and thus affected by the aforementioned problem, and the other is that due to one of its compute dies being X3D equipped, one of the dies is slower and has even higher operating latencies, which causes this penalty to become more severe. The end result is that the 7900X3D is a master of none, all while also being unable to become a competent jack of all trades. It will perform at best like a 7600X or an eventual 7600X3D in a best case scenario - but it will never perform as well as a 7800X, 7800X3D or 7950X3D because of the nature of its design.

If you're curious about how a Ryzen 5 X3D would be, AMD made a limited run for the United States of the 5600X3D, and there is a review:


Unfortunately, it was not released worldwide, and since W1zzard is based in Germany, I believe he was not sampled as there is no TPU review of it.



Someone can't help themselves :rolleyes: But it's OK, take our advice to heart and buy the 9800X3D this time around.
Listen I bought a 7800X3D and it felt slower than the 7900X3D. You can keep your opinion on a CPU that you have never used to yourself.
 
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I wonder how this would do with a 7500f or a 7700
pure BS. AG500 has 5 pipes, while this has 4. For 7500F this may be sufficient, but for 7700 I'd definitely reco AG620 - it has not only more pipes, but, which is my main concern - it has BIG contact plate instead of "direct contact" with pipes, which is also smaller than AG620 contact plate.
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pure BS. AG500 has 5 pipes, while this has 4. For 7500F this may be sufficient, but for 7700 I'd definitely reco AG620 - it has not only more pipes, but, which is my main concern - it has BIG contact plate instead of "direct contact" with pipes, which is also smaller than AG620 contact plate.
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Many complain about AG620 (and other coolers using fans with this blade geometry) being acoustically upleasant with anomalies showing quite often across rpm range. It's this other than dBA side of acoustics of cooling product. Sadly harder to verify not testing yourself, but in real life way more crucial. P12 fans Arctic 36 comes with are in this regard even more infamous, but needs to be added that cheaper coolers in general tend to have unspleasant acoustics due to exactly cheap solutions and leading brand here is unfortunately the most expensive Noctua.

@Zazigalka I would choose something from Thermalright or Noctua. Both have their advantages, both have top performing products, but my recommendation comes from combining it with them being one and only offering mounting kits for future sockets (even for their discontinued coolers). Noctua gives, TR at least sells. These guys just let you use your cooler for as long as you want and it makes them the only ones I want to buy cooler from. Maybe even lack of this is the reason why you are looking for a cooler today.
 
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Many complain about AG620 (and other coolers using fans with this blade geometry) being acoustically upleasant with anomalies showing quite often across rpm range. It's this other than dBA side of acoustics of cooling product. Sadly harder to verify not testing yourself, but in real life way more crucial. P12 fans Arctic 36 comes with are in this regard even more infamous, but needs to be added that cheaper coolers in general tend to have unspleasant acoustics due to exactly cheap solutions and leading brand here is unfortunately the most expensive Noctua.

@Zazigalka I would choose something from Thermalright or Noctua. Both have their advantages, both have top performing products, but my recommendation comes from combining it with them being one and only offering mounting kits for future sockets (even for their discontinued coolers). Noctua gives, TR at least sells. These guys just let you use your cooler for as long as you want and it makes them the only ones I want to buy cooler from. Maybe even lack of this is the reason why you are looking for a cooler today.
Tbh I never liked the sound my noctua fan produced, same for Corsair AF/ML ones I had. I have 3x120mm alpenfohn wingboost fans in my case nów and they are the most non-annoying fans I ever owned. I prefer them at 1600rpm vs noctua/Corsair at 1000.
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Wat ?
 

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Tbh I never liked the sound my noctua fan produced, same for Corsair AF/ML ones I had. I have 3x120mm alpenfohn wingboost fans in my case nów and they are the most non-annoying fans I ever owned. I prefer them at 1600rpm vs noctua/Corsair at 1000.
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Wat ?

Sadly with pleasant or not side of acoustics, especially if we talk case fans, it's unpredictable. Fan sounds a little different or show anomalies or not in every other pc case. E.g. my Scythe's fans, which I really like, started with rear one making droning sound. Moving it like 1mm up solved it due to it blowing then thru a little different pattern (Define 7 has irregular real grill pattern). Even Noctua with their in fact documented by more detailed reviews state of the art refinement isn't prone to that. It's amazing in testing conditions, but there happen some kind of filter or grill pattern it exhibits anomaly. There's similar problem with Noctua's NF-A14 and cases with honeycomb real grills or some front filters. But coming back to cheap fans, they also tend to use cheaper internals resulting in louder motors and bearings or higher vibrations due to use of less solid plastic. Add also likelihood of showing wear faster, sometimes really fast like weak or month, so what reviews won't tell you, but it's worth to check if there aren't too many such opinions.

Coming back to cooler, I would also go something non-direct touch. Direct touch is cheap solution worse handling heat loads.
 
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Hi, I'd like a recommendation for an AM5 mobo. Was gonna wait for Arrow Lake-S, but seeing all the drama with 13/14th gen, I don't think I'll trust Intel (despite being on intel cpus exclusively for the last 20+ years)
I will likely just pair it with a 7500f for now, enough for a 4070 Super, and upgrade the cpu to 9000x3d in the future.
I'd like to have at least 10xUSB on the back (got a lot of peripherial stuff), built-in wifi, at least 3x nvme (5.0 is not a must, could be 4.0 or even 3.0) and at least 6x SATA.
I'd like to keep it under or as close to 200eur as possible.
I'm very partial to AsRock boards. Very feature rich without all the frufru crap, very dependable and affordable!

EDIT: I know I'm late to the party(TLDR) and if you've already made a choice, please forgive.
 

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Today the board must have PCI 5.0 x 16 and DDR 5, the Nvidia 5000 series cards are now all PCI 5.0, the PCI 4.0 x 16 will die in a few months.
 
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Nothing is decided yet, the more options I have the better.
In that case, may I suggest the following:

From AsRock;
X670E PRO RS
5xM.2, 6xSATA and plenty of other useful features.
Only slightly above your 200Euro budget(depending on where you shop, maybe less), but worth it!

From MSI;
MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI
3x M.2, 6xSATA and other useful features as well.
Within your stated budget.

You've stated that you're interested in a Ryzen 7500F. That's a solid choice and since you already have a GPU, the last thing you need is RAM. With DDR5, you don't need the high end stuff. A 2x16GB kit of 4800 will be all you need and should only set you back about 75Euro.
 
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In that case, may I suggest the following:

From AsRock;
X670E PRO RS
5xM.2, 6xSATA and plenty of other useful features.
Only slightly above your 200Euro budget(depending on where you shop, maybe less), but worth it!

From MSI;
MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI
3x M.2, 6xSATA and other useful features as well.
Within your stated budget.

You've stated that you're interested in a Ryzen 7500F. That's a solid choice and since you already have a GPU, the last thing you need is RAM. With DDR5, you don't need the high end stuff. a 2x16GB kit of 4800 will be all you need and should only set you back about 75Euro.
that asrock board is 290eur here.
and I think I'll get 6000/6400 ddr5, the plan is to get a decent board and memory with a cpu that won't hold back a 4080 Super/5070 and only drop a new cpu in few years from now.
 

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that asrock board is 290eur here.
and I think I'll get 6000/6400 ddr5, the plan is to get a decent board and memory with a cpu that won't hold back a 4080 Super/5070 and only drop a new cpu in few years from now.
With DDR5 2x 8 GB you can play the 4800, they are cheaper and work on AMD/Intel, from here until you need 32 GB it may take 10 years
 
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I'd recommend my X670E MSi tomahawk wifi. Got mine for £208 and it has me set for '27. Only problem I had was PEBSAK.
 
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I'd recommend my X670E MSi tomahawk wifi. Got mine for £208 and it has me set for '27. Only problem I had was PEBSAK.
Thanks, very reasonably priced for a x670e, still 280eur is a little more than I'd like to spend on a mobo alone.

Frankly, after the super meh 9000-series launch, I kinda wanna see what arrow lake brings, if anything to maybe see amd adjust prices.
 
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Is getting a tray version of a cpu a good idea ?
Yes, as long as you are getting it from a reputable source. You just won't get a fan or fancy packaging and documentation.

Frankly, after the super meh 9000-series launch, I kinda wanna see what arrow lake brings, if anything to maybe see amd adjust prices.
Well with the test the TPU just did and past Zen 5 release issues, it looks to me like a microcode issue that will get fixed as new BIOS updates come out, or I at least hope.
 
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If you can, avoid Intel and Killer lan boards and Alc897 and 4080 too.
 
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