AMD 8-core Ryzen APU to Power Sony Playstation 5, Says the Rumor Mill

[FordGT90Concept]

An article siting "anonymous sources that refuse to be named" is not confirmation of anything.

Sure it is. The source could be a high-level engineer at AMD. Can't say anything on the record because he/she would get fired. Yeah, on the record would be better but...in this era, on the record usually means whitewashed press releases that say a whole lot of nothing.

 

[dirtyferret]

What people always forget is these consoles are powered by a 250w inefficient brick power supply. You can't have a power hungry CPU and GPU in a console, it won't work. Consoles have been using multi-core CPUs for gaming before it was necessary in PC gaming. Every time a new console launches with with a ton of CPU cores, people go crazy only to watch PC processors with half the console cores run circles around it.

 

[Vya Domus]

So thats why AMD got behind nVidia 5-6 years in gpus?

Perhaps you got stuck 5-6 in the past.

 

[TheGuruStud]

Current PS4 is already x86 and you still have A LOT of games that are not on PC. It all depends on other factors. If you look at the 5 GOTY nominees this year, 3 of them are not on PC, being console exclusive. Last year 4 of them were console exclusive too.

Nothing worth playing, anyway except RD2. Games are garbage, today. 9/10 needs to come from indie to be worth a shit.

 

[Rahnak]

Nothing worth playing, anyway except RD2. Games are garbage, today. 9/10 needs to come from indie to be worth a shit.

Even if you don't like the games personally, you have to be mad to call them garbage. It has a good number of great exclusives.

 

[xorbe]

[problem was fixed via the TPU site issues thread]

 

[Konceptz]

500$ is enough for a seriously capable CPU (Ryzen 5 2600) , 16GB of RAM @3GHz , a top-end b450 board and a capable 650W PSU. stop kidding yourself.

Umm...but when it wont post for lack of GPU and you've exceeded your $500 budget then what?

 

[Manu_PT]

Nothing worth playing, anyway except RD2. Games are garbage, today. 9/10 needs to come from indie to be worth a shit.

Who defines what is "worth playing"? You? No, thanks. That´s entirely subjective.

To me Bloodborne, Persona 5, Uncharted 4, Last Guardian, God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, Spider-Man, RDR2, Detroit are more than worth playing, unless you can tell me wich PC games can surprass those. Oh wait, you mean a random 16 bit daily released Steam game? No thanks.

500$ is enough for a seriously capable CPU (Ryzen 5 2600) , 16GB of RAM @3GHz , a top-end b450 board and a capable 650W PSU. stop kidding yourself.

"GTX 1080 Ti performance"
Vega 56 performance is the most you can expect but hey, keep dreaming.

Yeah sure. 2x8gb of 3000mhz ram still cost 220€ in my country and a B450 board with acceptable VRMs (not that tomahawk or prime junk) cost around 140€. Talk about "kidding yourself". Also I would never pair Ryzen with 3000mhz as it depends so much on ram speed. 3200 is the bare minimum I would go with Ryzen, otherwise would instead stick to 2nd hand Haswell platform.

"Vega 56 performance" -> yeah sure, because Sony would waste resources on a new gen, just to barely beat the current Xbox One X. Makes total sense.

 

[Vya Domus]

unless you can tell me wich PC games can surprass those.

Isn't that also, subjective ?

 

[Manu_PT]

Isn't that also, subjective ?

Yes it is, thats why I asked him to tell me wich PC games can replace those. Wich pc game delivers same setting as RDR2 and same depth? I will try it instantly.

Can you even tell me the latest great pc exclusive? Crysis?

 

[M2B]

Who defines what is "worth playing"? You? No, thanks. That´s entirely subjective.

To me Bloodborne, Persona 5, Uncharted 4, Last Guardian, God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, Spider-Man, RDR2, Detroit are more than worth playing, unless you can tell me wich PC games can surprass those. Oh wait, you mean a random 16 bit daily released Steam game? No thanks.



Yeah sure. 2x8gb of 3000mhz ram still cost 220€ in my country and a B450 board with acceptable VRMs (not that tomahawk or prime junk) cost around 140€. Talk about "kidding yourself". Also I would never pair Ryzen with 3000mhz as it depends so much on ram speed. 3200 is the bare minimum I would go with Ryzen, otherwise would instead stick to 2nd hand Haswell platform.

"Vega 56 performance" -> yeah sure, because Sony would waste resources on a new gen, just to barely beat the current Xbox One X. Makes total sense.

You are too stupid to understand putting a GTX 1080 Ti equivalent GPU in a console makes the console very expensive, hard to cool and power hungry.
PS5 GPU would be around 50-60% faster than what X1X has to offer, that's a massive difference.

 

[wiak]

CPU-wise it might be good enough for a solid 60FPS but It's pure ignorance to even think a Vega 56 level GPU would be enough to push 4K/60 in next gen titles.
Most console players who think 4k/60 will be the new standard for console games will be disappointed.

current gen titles run at next gen graphics on the pc

next gen titles on consoles look like current gen titles on pc, so nothing new there

there is already a console like in that zubar apu that includes 4 core ryzen and some vega graphics

next gen console is basically last gen pc hardware

 

[M2B]

current gen titles run at next gen graphics on the pc

next gen titles on consoles look like current gen titles on pc, so nothing new there

there is already a console like in that zubar apu that includes 4 core ryzen and some vega graphics

next gen console is basically last gen pc hardware

Not really. most next gen titles on any next gen console will look better than current PC games, but at the same time worse than their PC version.
Example:
Shadow of the tomb raider on all current gen consoles looks signficantly better than PC version of the Tomb Raider 2013.

But hardware-wise your statement is somewhat true.

 

[Manu_PT]

You are too stupid to understand putting a GTX 1080 Ti equivalent GPU in a console makes the console very expensive, hard to cool and power hungry.
PS5 GPU would be around 50-60% faster than what X1X has to offer, that's a massive difference.

Thanks for being offensive when you run out of arguments. And a Vega 56 is not 60% faster than a Xbox One X. I guess you need to research a bit more Mister Inteligent person.

 

[newtekie1]

Sure it is. The source could be a high-level engineer at AMD. Can't say anything on the record because he/she would get fired. Yeah, on the record would be better but...in this era, on the record usually means whitewashed press releases that say a whole lot of nothing.

I have an anonymous source from high up in the industry, that asked to remain nameless, that says AMD is really run by lizard people that want to take over the world using a global diet pill pyramid scheme.

You heard it here folks, confirmation that AMD is run by lizard people!

Do you see how just saying you got the info from an anonymous source doesn't actually mean Jack?

 

[M2B]

Thanks for being offensive when you run out of arguments. And a Vega 56 is not 60% faster than a Xbox One X. I guess you need to research a bit more Mister Inteligent person.

I didn't say 60% faster, I said around 50-60% faster.
Vega 56 is 45% faster than RX 580 at 4K which is almost what I said.
(based on TPU performance summary)

You need to research more than I need, it might solve your ignorance problem.

 

[Jism]

Xbox One X practically has a RX 580 8 GiB in it (6 TFLOP). It's by far the most powerful GPU ever put in a console and on par (GTX 1060) or superior to (GTX 1050 Ti) mainstream gaming PCs. The console push to 4K is requring hardware that is nothing to scoff at. PlayStation 5 could easily have a GPU that's the equivalent of a Vega 56 which they need to drive things like VR and 4K.

The console you talk about is still a ordinary X86/X64 SOC. Has the same identical hardware as any other PC. It's nothing really special if you ask me. The PS3, PS2 where consoles that really had unique hardware to it. Risc, IBM CELL CPU, that kind of stuff. MS always sticked to X86 hardware since it would make compatibility much more easyer instead of creating a RISC and X86 version of any game.

People complaining here about Jaguar cores; i think you need to look at who assembles those consoles and not AMD. It's not like AMD held a gun to MS or SONY with here, implant these jaguar cores or else! It's just that once time passes and games get more and more optimized, the CPU's are starting to show it's age.

I'm pretty sure you could make a fantastic console with a Bulldozer CPU.

 

[raghu78]

PS5 will use a 8 core Zen 2 along with a Navi GPU. AMD's design philosophy revolves around modularity and reusability. The 8 core Zen 2 chiplet will drive the entire range of AMD products. Here is how i think we will see Zen 2 core counts end up.

Rome - 64C/128T (8 chiplets)
Threadripper - 64C/128T (8 chiplets)
Ryzen CPU - 16C/32T (2 chiplets)
Ryzen APU - 8C/16T (1 chiplet)
PS5 - 8C/16T (1 chiplet)

I think AMD is going to go with chiplets instead of monolithic APU for better yields. My expectation is that PS5 GPU will be a monster. Navi is the first major GCN GPU architecture since the introduction of GCN in 2012. I think the main focus for Navi is efficiency and scalability. My prediction for PS5 and 7nm AMD GPUs is as follows

Navi 12 - 2560 sp
Navi 10 (PS5 GPU) - 5120 sp
Navi 20 - 7680 sp

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I have an anonymous source from high up in the industry, that asked to remain nameless, that says AMD is really run by lizard people that want to take over the world using a global diet pill pyramid scheme.

You heard it here folks, confirmation that AMD is run by lizard people!

Do you see how just saying you got the info from an anonymous source doesn't actually mean Jack?

Let me throw the Code of Ethics at you:
https://blogs.spjnetwork.org/ethicscode/?p=125

Consider sources’ motives before promising anonymity. Reserve anonymity for sources who may face danger, retribution or other harm, and have information that cannot be obtained elsewhere. Explain why anonymity was granted.

Do you honestly think Forbes would publish anything less?

MS always sticked to X86 hardware since it would make compatibility much more easyer instead of creating a RISC and X86 version of any game.

Xbox 360 was PowerPC based.

 

[Jism]

First model did had a Pentium 3 class 733Mhz CPU if i'm not mistaken. Did'nt know that MS attempted a slight adjusted cell CPU later.

 

[OGoc]

Games are not CPU limited today. A Pentium Gold G5400 will push 4K with a powerful enough GPU (for most titles). https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_9700K/15.html

@Sony - put the money into a GPU.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

4K is GPU bottleneck, not CPU.

 

[medi01]

The consoles will still suffer a major GPU bottleneck.

Rright (not even PRO, plain PS4!!!):

This, of course, pales compared to what Greedia has to offer:

4K is GPU bottleneck, not CPU.

It's about scene complexity.
We could have been 4k right here today, if devs would not target 1080p.

 

[efikkan]

It's about scene complexity.
We could have been 4k right here today, if devs would not target 1080p.

"Targeting 1080p" has nothing to do with it, games are not written that way.

While most games certainly could squeeze much more performance out of the hardware, it usually comes down to poor code quality. Most games are rushed, recycled game concepts, and many uses pre-made game engines. I don't see the majority of top titles changing their focus to proper code quality anytime soon.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Squeaky wheel gets the lube. If people are complaining about the performance of a game, especially on low end cards and low resolutions, developers deem it worthy of spending time to optimize it. 4K performance complaints are often ignored because it's considered a luxury, not a requirement.