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It's not dumb when they literally are acting like nazis.

Godwins law doesn't apply to actual nazi like behavior. Godwin himself clarified that.

That gives all sorts of arguments like the ones being made here. Why can't he just be Putin, or Stalin (just as bad as Hitler)?
 
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China - Taiwan is like North/South Korea.
What?! No!!
Russia sees Ukraine as its rightful territory. Ukraine sees itself as its own country.
China sees Taiwan as its rightful territory. Taiwan sees itself as its own country.
 
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They blunt Russias ability to wage this war and future wars. I don't see how that's nothing.

If they bought their equipament, sure. But they don't, so not even that. The only thing that will stop this is a bullet in Puttin's brain.
 
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That would be the best case, but I have doubts it will be easy.

It won't, it never is. It will get worst before it gets better but there's really no other way.

Taiwan sees itself as its own country.

They actually don't, in every poll maintaining the status quo always won (independence has been gaining some traction in recent years with younger generations but it's still far from the majority)
 
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This is, of course, purely a PR announcement. But who cares, starve those animals. Excuse me if I'm being "too political", I have friends in Ukraine.
As for saying "they can buy through third parties": Yes, they can. Only in limited quantities though - you need money to buy things, even more so if your only option is to buy through predatory resellers, something that should be painfully obvious to anyone wanting to buy a GPU after Q2 2020. Russian economy quickly goes from from "slowly rotting gutter" to the "bottom of an outhouse" level, which is exacerbated by the fact that most of their companies are now worthless and are being bought en masse by the Chinese and anyone with the ability to get their assets through special purpose entities. If the western sanctions hold, soon only China will be a reseller available to ruskies, and China is nothing if not opportunistic, borderline predatory, as it is.
I don't foresee many gamers coming from Russia in the next years. Which is great, I really dislike those people in Eve Online.
 

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You are massively underestimating the damage this is going to do longterm to Russia. They can close off from the world and turn to China yes, but make no mistake, that will be of limited use. China is not a substitute for a global economy.

its as close as one can get though. to be fair.
 
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Hi,
I'm sure Russia made accommodations before doing this and knows full well the USA atm is programed on lame mode.
 

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I'm sure Russia made accommodations before doing this and knows full well the USA atm is programed on lame mode.

and has crypto stockpiled ;)
 
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Russian oligarchs are safe in Maldives at the moment living the good life on their yachts, until America grows some balls and says fuck it and just seizes those yachts anyway, the oligarchs won't change their ways. I mean what's the Maldives gonna do, whats point of having greatest navy in world if we dont use it when we need it? Maldives might ban us from vacationing there? good riddance, plenty of other nice places to go anyway. UN might slap us on the wrist, but I doubt it, lol

America plays by the rules to often, and no other country does, and they only get slapped on the wrist when they dont. even when the dust settles from all of this, Russia will "negotiate" and things will go back to normal since he controls the energy for a lot of the west.

?

I'm perplexed. When the US had its teeth kicked in, post 9/11, we did exactly this with Afghanistan. We defined what we saw as bad people, who reasonably saw terrorism as a resolution to their ideological differences. Our response was to go kick down the doors, and the rest of the world claimed that we were acting as a global police force that nobody wanted or needed.

The above proposal is to have the US do the exact same thing, but instead of kicking somebody who was tangentially linked to the event you want us to start kicking the oligarchs. Individuals who learned from Japan in WWII, and have rightly left the sleeping dog lie with regards to the US. Our motivation for doing so is to liberate Russia, spread democracy, and doing all of this only because we want more democracy?


I'm trying to frame this so the ask is rational. So far, the theoretical spread of democracy is literally the only upside of this transaction.

Alternatively, we can push our internal benefactors to not provide resources to Russia. This takes almost no political capitol, and doesn't require any manpower. The result, in an interconnected world, is the collapse of infrastructure and markets. Market drive everything, because there is functionally no longer a self-sufficient economy on this planet. The only point of failure here would be if a third party restored the lost economic activity, which would functionally mean that there were two pariahs if those original actions bringing down a sanction were universally viewed as abhorrent.

Of course, abhorrent is rather plastic. War crimes, invasions, and genocide generally are the only thing that would be considered to be universally abhorrent...and wouldn't you look at that. Russian invasions of land seem to fit the bill.





I suppose that the US finally learned that there are more subtle ways of doing things...because military conflict is no longer possible between large powers. It's not even really a viable tactic against people whose most advanced hardware is an AK-47. What you're asking for is decisive action against people who you think are evil...to right a perceived wrong...and the cost of that moral policing should fall on the US...because? I'm just laughing, because a decade ago this suggestion would have been jingoistic talk from the extreme bits of the US. Oh, how the pendulum swings.


Back on point though, this is about Intel and AMD. Best case scenario their stuff is used in military hardware...which the sanctions will severely cripple the production of. Oligarchs living high off of money siphoned from a corrupt political system is kind of beyond the pale here. I don't think forcing them to pay 200% MSRP for a CPU can ever really address that.
 

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I'm perplexed. When the US had its teeth kicked in, post 9/11, we did exactly this with Afghanistan. We defined what we saw as bad people, who reasonably saw terrorism as a resolution to their ideological differences. Our response was to go kick down the doors, and the rest of the world claimed that we were acting as a global police force that nobody wanted or needed.

The above proposal is to have the US do the exact same thing, but instead of kicking somebody who was tangentially linked to the event you want us to start kicking the oligarchs. Individuals who learned from Japan in WWII, and have rightly left the sleeping dog lie with regards to the US. Our motivation for doing so is to liberate Russia, spread democracy, and doing all of this only because we want more democracy?


I'm trying to frame this so the ask is rational. So far, the theoretical spread of democracy is literally the only upside of this transaction.

Alternatively, we can push our internal benefactors to not provide resources to Russia. This takes almost no political capitol, and doesn't require any manpower. The result, in an interconnected world, is the collapse of infrastructure and markets. Market drive everything, because there is functionally no longer a self-sufficient economy on this planet. The only point of failure here would be if a third party restored the lost economic activity, which would functionally mean that there were two pariahs if those original actions bringing down a sanction were universally viewed as abhorrent.

Of course, abhorrent is rather plastic. War crimes, invasions, and genocide generally are the only thing that would be considered to be universally abhorrent...and wouldn't you look at that. Russian invasions of land seem to fit the bill.





I suppose that the US finally learned that there are more subtle ways of doing things...because military conflict is no longer possible between large powers. It's not even really a viable tactic against people whose most advanced hardware is an AK-47. What you're asking for is decisive action against people who you think are evil...to right a perceived wrong...and the cost of that moral policing should fall on the US...because? I'm just laughing, because a decade ago this suggestion would have been jingoistic talk from the extreme bits of the US. Oh, how the pendulum swings.


Back on point though, this is about Intel and AMD. Best case scenario their stuff is used in military hardware...which the sanctions will severely cripple the production of. Oligarchs living high off of money siphoned from a corrupt political system is kind of beyond the pale here. I don't think forcing them to pay 200% MSRP for a CPU can ever really address that.


huh? you wouldn't have to go on any Maldives land to seize the oligarchs yachts... Navy will just round the yachts up and leave, whether there is anyone on board or not....
 
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I'm sure Russia made accommodations before doing this and knows full well the USA atm is programed on lame mode.
If destroying your opponent's economy, built up over 25 odd years, in the span of a week is considered "lame mode", I'd hate to see the maximum setting. It probably goes past 11.
 

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If destroying your opponent's economy, built up over 25 odd years, in the span of a week is considered "lame mode", I'd hate to see the maximum setting. It probably goes past 11.

don't forget, how closely Putin sat with China's leader during the olympic opening. ;) they didn't decide that randomly. I assure you.
 
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If destroying your opponent's economy, built up over 25 odd years, in the span of a week is considered "lame mode", I'd hate to see the maximum setting. It probably goes past 11.

no ones economy is doing very good this days, EU and US stocks are bleeding red. Hardly everyone wind in a war.
 
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If destroying your opponent's economy, built up over 25 odd years, in the span of a week is considered "lame mode", I'd hate to see the maximum setting. It probably goes past 11.
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Think you're overrating sanctions effects and underestimating underground railroads lol
 
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no ones economy is doing very good this days, EU and US stocks are bleeding red. Hardly everyone wind in a war.

Stock market having a rough ride (-10% to -20% ytd on most indices) is very different from the economy going to shit (currency lost ~50% of the value in a less than a week)
 
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All these big western companies trying to give impression they have any power by banning their products in Russia is ultimate cringe.

it's mostly PR, needs to be done, even shitty companies can be good guys now. It's in every PR department guide
 
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it's mostly PR, needs to be done, even shitty companies can be good guys now. It's in every PR department guide
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Yeah say one thing and do another :laugh:
 
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is more supply to others country? AMD GPU?

I doubt it makes any difference. And if they want they will still get GPU'S, most of them are made in China and they couldn't care less but to send them shipments of them
 

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