AMD Announces New Model Numbers for Future Mobile Processors

[ixi]

What the actual eff... They just shot them self in foot... Literally stupid naming...

3 and 4 is ryzen 3... 5 and 6 is ryzen 5. 7 is 7 and 8 is 7/9. What the...

 

[A Computer Guy]

Luckily, we live in a society where such censorship is not law.

Where are you living so I can move there?

 

[RandallFlagg]

What's up with
4 : Architecture
Reserved for
1 : Zen 1 / Zen +

Are you gonna refresh that slow poke 2200U and 3200U? It was really unnecessary to beat that dead horse Celeron and Pentiums.

Under this naming convention the 2200U design from 2017 could be released in 2023 as a 7310U.

A comparable Zen 4 would be named 7340U

This will allow AMD and their OEMs to unload a bunch of old, essentially unsellable write-off garbage onto unsuspecting consumers as a new chip. The fact the first digit starts with a '7' like 7600X/7700X etc. is no coincidence, it's a marketing decision.

Next year when Zen 5 launches as 8600X/8700X etc. they'll have that 2200U as an 8310U.

 

[A Computer Guy]

What the actual eff... They just shot them self in foot... Literally stupid naming...

Ryzen 5 and 6 is ryzen 5, nice. 7 is 7 and 8 is 7/9. What the...

The only reason I see them for doing that is there is some uncertainty in actual part availability or the marketing people are just winging it.

 

[RandallFlagg]

The only reason I see them for doing that is there is some uncertainty in actual part availability or the marketing people are just winging it.

Or perhaps the most obvious reason, marketing was asked to come up with a way to increase ASP for their backstock of older chips.

 

[ModEl4]

For plain consumers it will be potentially a little bit more deceptive than what we had up till now, but for people like TPU community it is a lot better than before because for example AMD already was selling 5000 mobile series with Zen2 cores with no clear indication in the model name.

What makes it more deceptive (and potentially on purpose) is that the desktop naming doesn't change, so for Desktop the first number is correlated with CPU core generation when in mobile it denotes for the model just in what annual model lineup belongs, this difference will not be transparent for the vast majority of plain consumers.

 

[Tomorrow]

With the year number starting with 7 they have already played themselves into a corner. If they start using number 10 in 2026 then we will move to 5 digits plus 1-2 letters naming scheme in 2026.

For exmaple 10956HX. 10 for 2026. 9 for Ryzen 9. 5 for feature isolation and 6 for Zen 6 and HX for mobile extreme.

Personally i fail to see the need to include both year and architecture plus useless feature isolation numbers in the name.
Pick one and and stick with it. Since the year number matters much less to overall performance (compared to architecture) i would like it if they dropped the first digit.

 

[Easo]

Am I the only one to whom this seems simple and logical...?

 

[A Computer Guy]

Am I the only one to whom this seems simple and logical...?

I think the upside is it's nice they have provided reference like this. Will consumers be aware of this reference sheet - probably not unless there is some booth at BestBuy for AMD products putting it on display.

 

[RandallFlagg]

I'm looking forward to reviews of AMDs latest for 2023 7520U based laptops, and later their even newer for 2024 8510U laptops. They should perform like absolute garbage and show a regression in performance.

 

[1d10t]

Under this naming convention the 2200U design from 2017 could be released in 2023 as a 7310U.

A comparable Zen 4 would be named 7340U

This will allow AMD and their OEMs to unload a bunch of old, essentially unsellable write-off garbage onto unsuspecting consumers as a new chip. The fact the first digit starts with a '7' like 7600X/7700X etc. is no coincidence, it's a marketing decision.

Next year when Zen 5 launches as 8600X/8700X etc. they'll have that 2200U as an 8310U.

That's my concern, AMD literally can make an older CPU a "new" with just a name. I don''t think it matter to me as cave dweller and armchair enthusiast, but many will fall into this marketing gimmick.

Come to think of it, did AMD got pressed by OEM for doing this?

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Except according to the naming convention if it's a 7000 labeled chip, it's a 2023 release. I don't see AMD releasing more Zen 2 mobile parts in 2023 that could possible fit your complaint.

Also, with the 5700U it does not matter that it's Zen 2 vs Zen 3 because it fits the performance tier and offers identical features to Zen 3. The IPC uplift of Zen 3 was made without any radical changes to what the architecture offered to consumers, so from the consumer perspective Zen 2 and Zen 3 are identical. AMD makes clear that the 5700U is slower than a 5800U, and when tested side by side those claims hold true. Literally no deception whatsoever.

So from the consumer perspective performance doesnt matter? Because that is the only way that zen 3 can be considered no different from zen 2 "from the consumer perspective "

How about instead AMD not sell two different core designs under the same generational naming scheme?

"AMD makes clear that the 5700U is slower than a 5800U, and when tested side by side those claims hold true. Literally no deception whatsoever."

Oh yeah, just like bicoin makes it clear they are selling bicoin, and not bitcoin. That name was in no way whatsoever meant to mislead consumers.

 

[zlobby]

So according to your “logic” those who Disagree with a company’s direction should be quiet and not otherwise voice our opinions or concerns? Luckily, we live in a society where such censorship is not law.

I also never had anything against people with non-traditional sexual orientation and I don't prevent them doing their pride parades, yet they stll call me a 'cis opressor'. I see here a strikingly similar pattern.

Am I the only one to whom this seems simple and logical...?

We are a damn few

 

[Lionheart]

I understand it & I hate it, keep it super simple AMD, should of just been 7900HX, 7800H, 7600H, 7500H for standard gaming/laptops & 7800U, 7600U, 7500U annnd so forth, piss easy to understand even for the average joe/jane who's not tech savvy.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I also never had anything against people with non-traditional sexual orientation and I don't prevent them doing their pride parades, yet they stll call me a 'cis opressor'. I see here a strikingly similar pattern.


We are a damn few

People calling out a company for a confusing naming scheme is a completely different ballpark from people labeling you for not approving of their alternative lifestyle.

 

[A Computer Guy]

People calling out a company for a confusing naming scheme is a completely different ballpark from people labeling you for not approving of their alternative lifestyle.

I won't hate on anyone still rocking a Cyrix CPU.

 

[RandallFlagg]

That's my concern, AMD literally can make an older CPU a "new" with just a name. I don''t think it matter to me as cave dweller and armchair enthusiast, but many will fall into this marketing gimmick.

Come to think of it, did AMD got pressed by OEM for doing this?

Who knows, but I think it a lot more likely they are either sitting on a stock of a millions of old chips like the 2200U/3200U and realizing it won't sell, or they have a lot of GloFlo 12nm and TSMC 7nm capacity they allocated and are using to make Zen 1-2 chips and need to sell them. Relieving capacity constraints may be a result of pressure from OEMs to deliver product, but if that were the case I'm pretty sure this isn't what the OEMs meant.

This would be like Intel cranking up the 14nm fab again and rolling off a bunch of 8300U chips, then arbitrarily deciding that the first digits of the model represents something related to year (but not actually year), and calling them 12010U or some such. I'm 100% certain Intel would not get a light hand from the press over that, and AMD shouldn't either.

 

[zlobby]

I won't hate on anyone still rocking a Cyrix CPU.

Still keep a few 68k, 8086, K2... oh, and a VIA

Who knows, but I think it a lot more likely they are either sitting on a stock of a millions of old chips like the 2200U/3200U and realizing it won't sell, or they have a lot of GloFlo 12nm and TSMC 7nm capacity they allocated and are using to make Zen 1-2 chips and need to sell them. Relieving capacity constraints may be a result of pressure from OEMs to deliver product, but if that were the case I'm pretty sure this isn't what the OEMs meant.

This would be like Intel cranking up the 14nm fab again and rolling off a bunch of 8300U chips, then arbitrarily deciding that the first digits of the model represents something related to year (but not actually year), and calling them 12010U or some such. I'm 100% certain Intel would not get a light hand from the press over that, and AMD shouldn't either.

Ehm, millions?

 

[ymdhis]

This is both good and bad. It's bad because now they can put a new number on an old rebranded chip and make it sound like a new CPU. However, this has been a practice they did since FOREVER, and will continue to do so.
The good part is that now we can easily tell which cpu is newer or older simply from the model number. Which is a BIG plus; the previous model numbering was a bit of a clusterfuck:
- Ryzen 1000 was all Zen, except 1200AF and 1600AF which are Zen+
- Ryzen 2000 was all Zen+, except every chip with a G suffix which are Zen, and every mobile chip which was also Zen.
- Ryzen 3000 was all Zen2, except every chip with a G suffix which are Zen+, every mobile chip is Zen+, and the mobile 3200U/3250U/3250C which was Zen (not Zen+, but Zen 1).
- Ryzen 5000 series made sense, it was all Zen3. Except for the mobile chips 5300U, 5500U, 5700U, those are only Zen2. oops.
Yeah, make sense of that.

At least now I can look at, I dunno, 7310 and see "oh, this is still a first gen part". But if I looked at a mobile chip 3250C, I wouldn't knew if it was 2 generations older than the number implies, not without looking it up at the wikipedia list of Ryzen chips.
So yeah, this will be pretty helpful. For the next 2-3 years anyway, when they'll come up with something new that disregards the system entirely, like they used to do with every numbering scheme they came up with so far.

 

[A Computer Guy]

This is both good and bad. It's bad because now they can put a new number on an old rebranded chip and make it sound like a new CPU. However, this has been a practice they did since FOREVER, and will continue to do so.
The good part is that now we can easily tell which cpu is newer or older simply from the model number. Which is a BIG plus; the previous model numbering was a bit of a clusterfuck:
- Ryzen 1000 was all Zen, except 1200AF and 1600AF which are Zen+
- Ryzen 2000 was all Zen+, except every chip with a G suffix which are Zen, and every mobile chip which was also Zen.
- Ryzen 3000 was all Zen2, except every chip with a G suffix which are Zen+, every mobile chip is Zen+, and the mobile 3200U/3250U/3250C which was Zen (not Zen+, but Zen 1).
- Ryzen 5000 series made sense, it was all Zen3. Except for the mobile chips 5300U, 5500U, 5700U, those are only Zen2. oops.
Yeah, make sense of that.

At least now I can look at, I dunno, 7310 and see "oh, this is still a first gen part". But if I looked at a mobile chip 3250C, I wouldn't knew if it was 2 generations older than the number implies, not without looking it up at the wikipedia list of Ryzen chips.
So yeah, this will be pretty helpful. For the next 2-3 years anyway, when they'll come up with something new that disregards the system entirely, like they used to do with every numbering scheme they came up with so far.

That's a nice breakdown. Thanks!

 

[Luke357]

Why can't they just keep it simple.

2023R5Z4Uw55
2023R3Z3Lw35
2023ASZ3Lw28
2023AGZ3Uw15
2024R9Z4Lw09

Sad thing is this makes more sense.

 

[SunMaster]

I think AMD should get assisted by the USB SIG for a truly astonishing naming scheme noone will ever figure out.

 

[AusWolf]

Why have model year and architecture being represented by two different numbers? They surely aren't planning to release Zen 1/2 CPUs up to 2025, are they?

 

[PapaTaipei]

I am 100% sure all these names are specifically engineered to confuse the buyers.

 

[ymdhis]

Why have model year and architecture being represented by two different numbers? They surely aren't planning to release Zen 1/2 CPUs up to 2025, are they?

They always released older archs in a current series, ryzen 3000 series had Zen, Zen+ and Zen2 in it. This is also a normal industry practice that has been going on since decades, remember the Geforce 4 MX?
The difference is now that you can tell them apart from the number.