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Cool :) Thanks for sharing.
I'm also considering and I will wait for 6800 and xt versions reviews but the odds are what they are and pointing cherry-picking games for benchmarks or usage of AMD new developed features with support for their products is not diminishing their credibility nor should be considered as cheating in any way. The raw performance is there and it is great in comparison to NVidia's cards.
I never said they are cheating.
It is normal marketing and every company is doing that to create the hype and increase sales. It is their business.
I'm just saying that I will make a decision after the first review by Techspot and Guru3D.

I thought you'd let go but you insist to be giga cringe worthy with this fixation on 14 year old players.

Let's recap, all studies dismissed entries from people below the age of 18, one did concluded that 53% of players are between 10-24 and given that most other studies concluded about 30% are between 18 and 24 that likely leaves a lot of users below 18. Our resident 200IQ statistician here therefore concluded that because most studies don't included that age bracket and only one does, it must mean there is no data that shows children are playing this game. This is from someone telling me to learn statistics mind you. Tons of news reports and articles about parents being annoyed about the fact their kids play this game isn't anecdotal evidence.

More over, you go on to say people between 20-25 years absolutely know what DLSS is. Really, genius, where's the data ? If you want to play this stupid game, square up and don't say something this outrageous.
still a lot of words and no evidence about "14 years old"...
 
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You should not either.
But if you are into tech and still haven't noticed that it is almost never that Jensen says truth and almost never that Lisa lies, there is something wrong.
There must be an impostor.
 
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I never said they are cheating.
It is normal marketing and every company is doing that to create the hype and increase sales. It is their business.
I'm just saying that I will make a decision after the first review by Techspot and Guru3D.
You are mixing hype with increased sales and marketing. The features are supposed to work and they do in most cases. If they do support their own products it is not hype, nor marketing scheme.
I always wait for the reviews but these presentations do give some level of information and comparison how their products perform against competition.
I can tell you now, You won't see much difference in performance between 3070 and 6800 with the reviews. If you do see those, I'm sure it will be in AMD's favor.
How will it turn out, we will yet to see. :)
 
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still a lot of words and no evidence about "14 years old"...

There is, you are just too cringy and ignorant. By the way still waiting on that data about your ridiculous claim that 20-25 year old people must know about DLSS.
 
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You are mixing hype with increased sales and marketing. The features are supposed to work and they do in most cases. If they do support their own products it is not hype, nor marketing scheme.
I always wait for the reviews but these presentations do give some level of information and comparison how their products perform against competition.
I can tell you now, You won't see much difference in performance between 3070 and 6800 with the reviews. If you do see those, I'm sure it will be in AMD's favor.
How will it turn out, we will yet to see. :)
marketing business is to create hype to increase sales.
Everything is correlated.

I will read the reviews and if 6800 will be faster than 3070 at a comparable price I will buy it when available. I am not going to replace my 3900X with a 5900X until later next year, so I need a review without using the Smart Access Memory @ 1440P (my resolution for gaming).

There is, you are just too cringy and ignorant. By the way still waiting on that data about your ridiculous claim that 20-25 year old people must know about DLSS.
you are completely turning things on the table in order to hide your clearly baseless claim about Fortnite being played mostly by 14 years old kids....

YOU started saying the 14 years old kids don't know or care what DLSS is (or on what planet they are), and I just pointed out that maybe Fortnite is also played by older guys that, according to your narrative, are more capable of understanding DLSS and RT.
Here to refresh your fading memory:

Your average Fortnite player is probably like 14 and hardly knows on what planet he is, hell he probably plays it from a phone or console, DLSS is the last thing he would think or care about.

I don't think knowledge is age related. And I surely know 16 years old kids smarter than you in this field.
 
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I just pointed out that maybe Fortnite is also played by older

You pointed out nothing of any importance or relevance, the one study that included all age brackets shows there are many kids playing the game. Which means there are also a lot of 14 year old playing the game.

Saying that 20-25 year old people absolutely know about DLSS is by far the most ridiculous and baseless thing said on here and it doesn't follow my narrative at all, I simply said the kind of people that care about this come from a very small niche. Your original claim that most people who play Fortnite would chose a GPU with DLSS is still not only ridiculous but not backed by anything at all. Again, you wanted to play this dumb game of showing definite proof and so far all your ideas have been debunked.

And I surely know 16 years old kids smarter than you in this field.

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What do we know about DLSS by the way?

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marketing business is to create hype to increase sales.
Everything is correlated.

I will read the reviews and if 6800 will be faster than 3070 at a comparable price I will buy it when available. I am not going to replace my 3900X with a 5900X until later next year, so I need a review without using the Smart Access Memory @ 1440P (my resolution for gaming).
I don't think so. Marketing business is to present the products to the customers/ potential clients so that they know what the products offer and what it's are all about and if you need it.
Hype on the other hand, is presentation of a product without full scope of what it offers and blown out of proportion. For instance exaggeration of what the product can do, like performance.
At least that's how I take it.
 
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You pointed out nothing of any importance or relevance, the one study that included all age brackets shows there are many kids playing the game. Which means there are also a lot of 14 year old playing the game.

Saying that 20-25 year old people absolutely know about DLSS is by far the most ridiculous and baseless thing said on here and it doesn't follow my narrative at all, I simply said the kind of people that care about this come from a very small niche. Your original claim that most people who play Fortnite would chose a GPU with DLSS is still not only ridiculous but not backed by anything at all. Again, you wanted to play this dumb game of showing definite proof and so far all your ideas have been debunked.



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English could not be my first language, but I wrote this:

AT 20-25 years old you absolutely know what DLSS is and if it fits your needs or not.

That is quite different than "any 20-25 years old know about DLSS".
So maybe you should review your language skills, other than statistics...

Let me know when you find data about 14 years old Fortnite players. Until then, bye bye...
 
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not going to lose anymore time with you.

Good choice, because you had nothing intelligent to say. You are still in denial about there being no data, as if ages 10-24 somehow must not include 14, right ? "Learn statistics" my ass, you are illiterate on many domains not just statistics.
 
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Skimmed the thread. Two things stand out:

1. Where are all the people congratulating AMD on 16GB of vram vs 10GB? It seems they're shitting on the AMD 6000 series and still leaning towards the RTX 3000 series. So RTX > 6GB of vram (which was a dealbreaker before)?

2. My 11 year old asked for a new RTX card(he's on a GTX 1070@1080p) when the Fortnite preview dropped on YouTube. Kids aren't as ignorant as you think, and marketing works.

He gon' be pissed when he gets my 5700XT hand-me-down. :D
 
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Let's not kid ourselves, AMD could well be promising the jump wrt the worst performing RDNA card out there as opposed to say the most efficient one ~ which btw is inside a Mac not PC:nutkick:
So you didn't read the end notes in the slides then? Efficiency numbers are 5700 XT vs. 6800 XT. The 5700 XT is the least efficient RDNA 1 GPU, true, but the 6800 XT is by no means a best-case scenario - that would be the heavily binned, limited availability 6900 XT at the same power (which they incidentally listed as having a 65% improvement over the 5700 XT). So no, this doesn't seem like a "best v. worst" comparison.
At 20-25 years old you absolutely know what DLSS is and if it fits your needs or not.
Uh ... only if you actually care about that kind of stuff. Which the average gamer does not whatsoever. This is quite limited enthusiast knowledge. Most gamers' level of knowledge about technical features is more or less on the level of "does the game run on my hardware, y/n?".
The point is AMD cherrypicked some benchmarks (that's absolutely normal in a marketing presentation) and you cannot say "it is 18% faster" without a proper review.
No cherry picking here. The only reason not to trust AMD's data here is that they themselves did the testing. The games used, settings used and hardware setups used are all publicized in the slide deck, if you bothered to read. There's no indication that the games they picked are disproportionately favoring AMD GPUs - shown at least partly by the relatively broad span of results in their testing, including games where they lose. Could you imagine Nvidia showing a performance graph from a game where they weren't the fastest? Yeah, there's a difference of attitude here, and AMD marketing for the past couple of years (since Raja Koduri left RTG and Dr. Su took over control there, at least) has been impressively trustworthy for first-party benchmarks.

That is quite different than "any 20-25 years old know about DLSS".
Actually, it isn't. You effectively said "at age X, you absolutely know what ABC is and if it fits your needs or not". So, that's two statements in one: that at age X you know what ABC is, and that at age X you have the breadth of knowledge and judgement skills required to know if it fits your needs or not". So whether you meant to or not, you did in effect say that "by the age of 25, everyone knows what DLSS is".

It's obvious there are young tech enthusiasts who know what DLSS is, though at age 14 I sincerely doubt there are more than a handful of tech enthusiasts worldwide with the reasoning and temperament to not just be outright screaming fanboys and fangirls - that's not their fault, they just lack the biological and experiential basis for acting like reasonable adults. But still, inferring that "above a certain age anyone knows about [obscure technical term X]" is way, way out there.

As for Fortnite being full of 14-year-olds: that's a given. No, the majority aren't 14 - that would be really weird. But there are tons of kids playing it, and likely the majority of players are quite young. Add to that the broad popularity of the game, and it's safe to assume that the average Fortnite player has absolutely no idea what DLSS is. Heck, there are likely more people playing Fortnite on consoles and phones than people in the whole world who know what DLSS is.
 
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i find it interesting that amd says 650 watt for 6800 \ 750 watt for 6800xt \ and 850watt for 6900xt while all have 2x8pin with latter 2 same tbp
 
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Where are all the people congratulating AMD on 16GB of vram vs 10GB?

Congratulating for what ? Large VRAM capacities should have been the norm anyway.
 
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Actually. The VRR is supported by these screens but it is not FreeSync equivalent. Maybe it will work but it may not necessarily work as a FreeSync monitor or a TV would work.

XBoX One X works with HDMI VRR just like Freesync, even with LFC.


I guess it will be the same with the next consoles and videocards based on the same RDNA2 GPU.
 
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2. My 11 year old asked for a new RTX card(he's on a GTX 1070@1080p) when the Fortnite preview dropped on YouTube. Kids aren't as ignorant as you think, and marketing works.

He gon' be pissed when he gets my 5700XT hand-me-down. :D
... if your 11-year old gets pissed for getting a 5700 XT as a hand-me-down, I'm sorry to say you have a seriously tech-spoiled kid. Heck, I don't even have a GPU close to the 1070 :p
 
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Online there are

Videos, with known paid shills like DF hyping it.
And then there are eyes to see and brains to use, god forbid.
And even some articles to be found, with, god forbid, actual pics:



At the end of the day, it is a cherry picking game:

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DLSS 2.0 (these are shots from picture that hypes DLSS by the way):

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But it demonstrates how delusional DLSS hypers are. As any other image upscaling tech, it has its ups and downs.
WIth 2.0 it is largely the same as with TAA which it based on: it gets blurry, it wipes out small stuff, it struggles with quickly moving stuff.
 
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Videos, with known paid shills like DF hyping it.
And then there are eyes to see and brains to use, god forbid.
And even some articles to be found, with, god forbid, actual pics:



At the end of the day, it is a cherry picking game:

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DLSS 2.0 (these are shots from picture that hypes DLSS by the way):

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But it demonstrates how delusional DLSS hypers are. As any other image upscaling tech, it has its ups and downs.
WIth 2.0 it is largely the same as with TAA which it based on: it gets blurry, it wipes out small stuff, it struggles with quickly moving stuff.
What is with you and hating on Digital Foundry? Can you explain how they in any way whatsoever are "shills" for anyone? They do in-depth technical reviews with a much higher focus on image quality and rendering quality than pretty much anyone else. Are they enthusiastic about new features that have so far been Nvidia exclusive? Absolutely, but that proves nothing more than that they find these features interesting.

Btw, those comparison shots look to have different DoF/focal planes; the one on top has sharper leaves but more blurry grass, the one on the bottom has the opposite. Makes it very difficult to make a neutral comparison.
 
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Even outside of the reflections at the full image size you can notice it in area's a bit, but the reflections remind me of how heat and smoke from a high intensity fire can kind of distort your vision or like a oil painting it's pretty ugly in that area. I can see that changing in the future as RTRT tensor cores improve and DLSS gets refined more, but it needs work before that happens. The way that DLSS works lower quality RTRT settings are going to look ugly like that with DLSS because it just doesn't have enough pixel density to work off of relative to the math calculations it can quickly process to benificial in the first place. I think those area's in the next generation or two of DLSS and tensor cores will improve a lot though.
 
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I happen to dislike paid shills.

Can you explain how they in any way whatsoever are "shills" for anyone?
You mean, when was it that they got caught?
Easy.
The Doom's demo with Ampere super-exclusive-totallynotforshilling-preview.

Btw, those comparison shots look to have different DoF/focal planes; the one on top has sharper leaves but more blurry gras
Stone that is at the same focal distance as the bush is sharper on below pic.
Seriously, do you really want to venture in "DLSS doesn't make things look worse"?
 
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What is with you and hating on Digital Foundry? Can you explain how they in any way whatsoever are "shills" for anyone? They do in-depth technical reviews with a much higher focus on image quality and rendering quality than pretty much anyone else. Are they enthusiastic about new features that have so far been Nvidia exclusive? Absolutely, but that proves nothing more than that they find these features interesting.

Btw, those comparison shots look to have different DoF/focal planes; the one on top has sharper leaves but more blurry grass, the one on the bottom has the opposite. Makes it very difficult to make a neutral comparison.
I can't say I hate them or think that they are shills but they have a history of parsing every single DLSS and DXR implementation even though we know very well some have been less than stellar.
 
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I keep being surprised by how people are comparing image quality in games - especially fast-paced ones - by cropping out tiny areas, often from the corners of the screen or similar places where the player is unlikely to focus for much of the time, and often upscaling them just to shout "look, this one is a bit less sharp!"

Put simply: if you have to do that, you also need a very good screen and to be actively looking for problems to spot them while playing. There is obviously a threshold below which these things do become visible, but for now, while I don't think DLSS is the second coming of Raptorjesus like some people do, it's a damn impressive technology nonetheless. The only major drawback is how complex its implementation is and thus how limited adoption is bound to be, as well as it being proprietary.

Heck, when I get a new monitor I'll be going for something like a 32" 2160p panel (need the sharpness for work), but I'll likely play most games at 1440p render resolution and let bog-standard GPU upscaling handle the rest. I'll likely not be able to tell much of a difference in-game, and the performance increase will be massive.
 
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