AMD Launches Ryzen 5000G "Cezanne" APU Lineup for OEMs

[Valantar]

Another glorified VEGA APU generation again
another mediocre APU
where's the RDNA APU
and most importantly, AMD already making PS5 & Serie X APUs
why not compete in the PC Market with similar offering
and APU with powerful GPU, maybe 28 - 40 CUs variants?, 6-8 cores with integrated HBM2 or GDDR6
HBM2 would make more sense because it can fit in the CPU PCB, yet more expensive
i'm for one i would gladly pay 700 $ for an APU as powerful as the Series X in the PC, AMD is leaving a huge market

Because there isn't a single motherboard on the market that would be able to power such an APU. And how on earth would they fit a huge APU + HBM2 or GDDR6 onto the AM4 package? Or are you asking for a socket SP3 APU? 'Cause those boards don't have video outputs.

I completely agree that it's beyond time for AMD to get RDNA(2) APUs out there. But these are still really good APUs, and graphics performance might not be better than Renoir, but it's still fine. I would absolutely love a ~20CU RDNA2 APU (which should be feasible in AM4 and with current motherboards), but it's highly doubtful that will happen due to the sheer die size needed. MCM APUs are our best hope for that kind of performance.

But Dr.Cuttress did say that AMD promises to bring Cezanne to retail. Buuuuuuuuut I could have sworn AMD said the same thing about Renoir so.........

I seem to remember differently, as I seem to remember a conspicuous absence of any meniton of retail availability for Renoir.

Big iGPU in APU is waste, as most of these will paired with GT 710/ GT 1030 anyaway.

Uh, what? Why? In what world? The iGPU in this will blow the pants off any GT 710, and will likely beat the 1030 in most scenarios too.

There's no evidence that "infinity cache" (fancy word for L3?) will work for an APU, as yet, not to mention LPDDR5 or LPDDR5x won't come close to the bandwidth a single HBM stack can provide.

IC in an APU wouldn't be L3, as L3 is CPU-only. IC would either be a system-wide LLC (whether that acts as L3 or L4 for the CPU depends on whether the CPU has a discrete L3 + whether the IC is inclusive or is bypassed for CPU-only operations) or a GPU-only LLC/Lwhatever (L1/L2/L3/etc. distinctions for GPUs are a bit problematic in transferring CPU terminology 1:1 to a very different architecture).

As for whether it would work, of course it would. The much more relevant question is whether it would be feasible in a sufficient size without ballooning APU die size. Large cahces take up a lot of space.

There were news about the upcoming APUs: Zen 3+ APUs: they will have RDNA2 graphics. And before, Van Gogh APUs (Zen 2) also come with RDNA2.

Looks reasonable to me. RDNA2 APUs before DDR5/LPDDR5 is likely to be a bit of a whiff. Makes sense in the low-power segments where absolute performance matters less and efficiency matters more, as with Van Gogh. Of course they could no doubt make a faster (LP)DDR4 APU with RDNA2 than Vega, but how much faster would be the question. I'll be happy to wait another year to get a nice RDNA2 APU laptop, and thankfully I went grey-market Renoir for my HTPC

 

[IceShroom]

There's no evidence that "infinity cache" (fancy word for L3?) will work for an APU, as yet, not to mention LPDDR5 or LPDDR5x won't come close to the bandwidth a single HBM stack can provide.

Necessity is the mother of all invention. If AMD needs certain level of performence for their APU they will implement Infinity Cache on APU. As for LPDDR5 it may not reach HBM like bandwidth, but 128-bit LPDDR5-4800 will give 76.8 GBps bandwidth and LPDDR5-5500 will give 88GBps, which is enough for 1080p, the resolution all gaming laptop uses. HBM/GDDR is not suitable for gerenal desktop workload.

Uh, what? Why? In what world? The iGPU in this will blow the pants off any GT 710, and will likely beat the 1030 in most scenarios too.

May be the system builder need to add a Nvidia gpu or just to punish the customer. Seen Picasso based PC from system builder with Ryzen 3+GT 710. After Picasso launched there was a laptop available in my country with these specs Ryzen 5 3500U/ 7 3700U+4GB RAM+1TB HDD + MX 230 +1080p display at around $550-$650.

 

[Vayra86]

Who the hell is the painter Dragon Crest then?

What's after this... Smeagol? I'm lost

 

[HansRapad]

a lineup that Most likely ignored by Big SI

since they can’t fulfill the order on high volume ehm same node ehm, this most likely be ignored, no matter how fast they are, if they can’t fulfill forget being on Optiplex boxes on large quantities

 

[jardows]

I can't believe all the complainers about this including Vega. I have a use/need for a Zen 3 CPU, but in a system that does not need the added expense of a GPU. All I need is basic video output. AMD could be putting Polaris in these for all I care, from a GPU performance standpoint. If I need anything more powerful, I'm going for a dedicated GPU. If anyone thinks that AMD or Intel would be able to mass produce APU's with more powerful graphics in any quantity and at a cost right now to make up for the supply/cost issues with dGPU's, I have some ocean front property in Idaho to sell you.

 

[medi01]

Why only OEM, is AMD tone deaf or something?

80%+ of the market is OEMs.

Another glorified VEGA APU generation again

OEM PCs with APUs tend not to be used for gaming.

 

[Mysteoa]

Why only OEM, is AMD tone deaf or something?

As a company that is after more money, it makes sense to target the bigger market first.

 

[Speedyblupi]

Another glorified VEGA APU generation again
another mediocre APU
where's the RDNA APU
and most importantly, AMD already making PS5 & Serie X APUs
why not compete in the PC Market with similar offering
and APU with powerful GPU, maybe 28 - 40 CUs variants?, 6-8 cores with integrated HBM2 or GDDR6
HBM2 would make more sense because it can fit in the CPU PCB, yet more expensive
i'm for one i would gladly pay 700 $ for an APU as powerful as the Series X in the PC, AMD is leaving a huge market

RDNA2's main advantages over GCN are that it uses less power, and it scales much better at the high end, but GCN has its own advantage: its CUs are much smaller. When you're making an iGPU with only 8CUs, the power usage and poor high-end scaling are insignificant, to the extent that it only becomes worthwhile to use RDNA at around 24CUs or more.

8 RDNA2 CUs would be slightly faster than 8 Vega CUs overall, and would use less power, but would use significantly more die area, which would reduce availability and increase prices. We shouldn't want AMD to put RDNA2 on desktop APUs until it's worthwhile for them to do so (which even DDR5 might not be enough for, though it's hard to predict at this point).

It would be possible to make a larger iGPU if you included HBM with it (and AMD and Intel actually did this a few years ago when they collaborated to design "Hades Canyon"), but due to the high cost of HBM and the interposers it requires, it's more profitable for AMD to sell high-end GPUs and CPUs separately. The console SoCs can provide enough bandwidth for a powerful iGPU at relatively low cost because they use GDDR6, but not in a form factor that would be possible to fit into a socketable CPU.

Hypothetically we could see some sort of console-PC hybrid with a soldered high-end APU, or something similar to Intel's NUC modules that could be used in a small chassis, but it's unlikely that AMD would take a risk on a project like this any time soon, as they're still relatively small, and currently making a ton of profit by selling GPUs and CPUs separately.

 

[r9]

Another glorified VEGA APU generation again
another mediocre APU
where's the RDNA APU
and most importantly, AMD already making PS5 & Serie X APUs
why not compete in the PC Market with similar offering
and APU with powerful GPU, maybe 28 - 40 CUs variants?, 6-8 cores with integrated HBM2 or GDDR6
HBM2 would make more sense because it can fit in the CPU PCB, yet more expensive
i'm for one i would gladly pay 700 $ for an APU as powerful as the Series X in the PC, AMD is leaving a huge market

To be honest that's what I was expecting to happen on the APU front, but I don't see how it would put more $$$ into AMD pocket so I don't hold my breath for it.

 

[pantherx12]

Why only OEM, is AMD tone deaf or something?

It's about mine share right now, whilst they have a dominant market position they need to take advantage of it. There is currently a global chip shortage so they need to sell to the majority. Building your own computer is still niche. Buying a Dell, hp or Lenovo etc is far more common place for the average consumer.

So by walking into a shop and being recommended and AMD machine and it bring in stock and that consumer having a positive experience they'll remember that when buying their next machine, or getting a machine for their parents, kids, recommending to neighbours and friends etc.


If AMD capture the mindshare of the mainstream market then they have more money to pour into tmsc and produce chips for folks like us.

 

[DAWMan]

I sometimes buy a Supermicro or ASRock 1U, ditch the chassis and use my own 1U to get a chip early.
Lord forbid I lose a couple hundred rather than wait.
But no way I’d buy a tower with a motherboard using horizontally aligned DIMMs.

 

[seth1911]

Yeah AMD can do it my next would be a Alderlake with 48 EU, im in distance learning but nothing from AMD is for a fair price.


In 2022 ill have the next 9 weeks school then ill buy Alderlake, fck AMD

 

[Deleted member 205776]

Yeah AMD can do it my next would be a Alderlake with 48 EU, im in distance learning but nothing from AMD is for a fair price.


In 2022 ill have the next 9 weeks school then ill buy Alderlake, fck AMD

You have a lot of confidence for Alder Lake don't you. Let's hope you're correct -- only way to get them to lower prices for my Zen chips is through competition.

 

[Valantar]

Yeah AMD can do it my next would be a Alderlake with 48 EU, im in distance learning but nothing from AMD is for a fair price.


In 2022 ill have the next 9 weeks school then ill buy Alderlake, fck AMD

In 2022 the chip shortage might be over, so we might actually see semi-normal component prices. Until then, anything that's even remotely in demand will sadly be overpriced.

 

[AusWolf]

"AMD is set to announce these processors for wider masses, such as consumer DIYers, later this year." - The best part of the news.