AMD Outs Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora Game Bundle with Processors and Graphics Cards

[INSTG8R]

That's obviously not how the marketing works in this case. AMD isn't paying for marketing the game. They are allowing the games owner to use their products (AMD) as a gateway to increase the games exposure. In other words, they are getting paid to piggyback this game with their CPUs and GPUs. There are infinite ways to market a product, this is but one. So yes, free is free.

I mean just let him keep yelling at clouds he disproved his own rant 4 or 5 posts in. There was never a price increase never is with these bundles I have gotten so many free games with AMD product purchases at one point I had to email them to increase my claim limit....Would I have probably liked to have gotten this game, wasn't really on my radar but a free game is free I just missed the window by buying a couple weeks to early, Cest la vie!

 

[wolf]

Strange that there is a 250€ GPU included but not the low tier Ryzen 7700X and below.

I don't find it all that that strange, outside of the price bracket comparison only, where you absolutely have a point because it is bundled with more expensive CPU's.

People buying a GPU are buying a product who's purpose is very much aimed at gaming, perhaps only gaming depending who you ask, hence include a game as a bundle.

Those buying a just a CPU aren't necessarily playing games on that PC, as it's far more general purpose.

 

[gurusmi]

That's obviously not how the marketing works in this case. AMD isn't paying for marketing the game. They are allowing the games owner to use their products (AMD) as a gateway to increase the games exposure. In other words, they are getting paid to piggyback this game with their CPUs and GPUs. There are infinite ways to market a product, this is but one. So yes, free is free.

Btw. I never wrote that AMD is marketing that game. As far as i know AMD is sponsoring game developers with hardware and money to make AMD Products better optimized and running. In this case they pay already for the game whilst it is not on the market yet. And that money they pay is sourced in AMD's marketing cashbox. Just imagine. Every coin has two sides. With that payments they try to push their own sales (CPU/GPU).

I mean just let him keep yelling at clouds he disproved his own rant 4 or 5 posts in. There was never a price increase never is with these bundles I have gotten so many free games with AMD product purchases at one point I had to email them to increase my claim limit....Would I have probably liked to have gotten this game, wasn't really on my radar but a free game is free I just missed the window by buying a couple weeks to early, Cest la vie!

There is someone sitting in a different state (canada) on an different continent (North America) and telling me about the prices in my home country. Great. Do you have a knowledge about other local priceranges either? About Power Supply? Appartment Rentals? Beer? Even without understanding my words. Just for you. I'm sitting in germany and having an eye on the local prices. I don't care about canadian prices. I don't want to buy a processor in canada. Why should i care about their prices? In Germany there was a price drop straight in front of that starfield marketing show . I provided an evidence of that proce drop. I do not talk about prices in Canada but only in Germany. How much is your knowledge about price levels in germany? I estimate none. I dont talk about price schemes in neighbor countries on my own continent as i don't know about them.

 

[INSTG8R]

Btw. I never wrote that AMD is marketing that game. As far as i know AMD is sponsoring game developers with hardware and money to make AMD Products better optimized and running. In this case they pay already for the game whilst it is not on the market yet. And that money they pay is sourced in AMD's marketing cashbox. Just imagine. Every coin has two sides. With that payments they try to push their own sales (CPU/GPU).


There is someone sitting in a different state (canada) on an different continent (North America) and telling me about the prices in my home country. Great. Do you have a knowledge about other local priceranges either? About Power Supply? Appartment Rentals? Beer? Even without understanding my words. Just for you. I'm sitting in germany and having an eye on the local prices. I don't care about canadian prices. I don't want to buy a processor in canada. Why should i care about their prices? In Germany there was a price drop straight in front of that starfield marketing show . I provided an evidence of that proce drop. I do not talk about prices in Canada but only in Germany. How much is your knowledge about price levels in germany? I estimate none. I dont talk about price schemes in neighbor countries on my own continent as i don't know about them.

LOL are you still banging on? I will humour your nonsense once more. FIRST I live in Norway and I can ONE HUNDRED PERCENT GUARANTEE I pay more for EVERYTHING so spare me your blah blah my countries pricing.....If you are gonna try to try to come of all clever at least be smart enough to get your facts straight because again you just made yourself look an absolute fool. You should really quit while you were ahead but I don't think at one single point in this thread you were. My best advice to you would be to just delete this thread or just face more ridicule because I can go ALL day with guys like you, you just give me ammo. In fact I was gonna let you emberass yourself some more but I am gonna use your own posted into against you right now and really shut you down
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Now Mr Marketing how is your math?

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You really should just delete this this thread....

I think in just a few minutes I just showed you MY KNOWLEDGE and your lack thereof...
But hey I have given you the way out you don't want to take it I can hardly WAIT to see what your next move is...

 

[Hellfire]

It could have been in Sept. I track the prices a bit longer. On Geizhals you see a rebate also in October: I don't care how other CPU's behave at the price. I need exactly that CPU and not any other.

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The price was rising up for over 50€ since then. Nevertheless AMD charges me to buy that game. If i redeem a coupon to get the game or not, I have to pay for it.

Correct me if I am wrong, is your main comment that you feel AMD stealth increased the price before the promotion to make it seem like you're getting a "free game" when in fact because of the stealth price increase you're actually paying for the game?


When it comes to Cashback versus Games, the reason AMD opts for games is pretty straightforward. For most consumers, it appears to be a better bang for the buck. AMD won't be shelling out anywhere close to the RRP price of the game for the promotion. If they were to offer the equivalent in Cashback, it would probably be in the $5-10 range—a sum unlikely to motivate a buyer. On the flip side, a game might entice someone to make a purchase, as it gives the impression of a more substantial reward.

In this particular case, the game may not be great, but it's a classic scenario of some wins and some losses.

 

[Dragokar]

I don't find it all that that strange, outside of the price bracket comparison only, where you absolutely have a point because it is bundled with more expensive CPU's.

People buying a GPU are buying a product who's purpose is very much aimed at gaming, perhaps only gaming depending who you ask, hence include a game as a bundle.

Those buying a just a CPU aren't necessarily playing games on that PC, as it's far more general purpose.

I wouldn't go down that route to say that CPU-buyers aren't going to play primarily

 

[kapone32]

I already have the cheapest 7600 in my cart on Newegg. I want this Game and have no issue buying hardware to enjoy it. My nephew's PC needs an upgrade anyway. Someone else mentioned it but I wonder why the 7700XT and 7800XT are not included.

 

[sLowEnd]

Someone else mentioned it but I wonder why the 7700XT and 7800XT are not included.

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They are included

 

[kapone32]

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They are included

Sorry I meant the CPUs

 

[gurusmi]

... FIRST I live in Norway and I can ONE HUNDRED PERCENT GUARANTEE I pay ...

I'm sorry to say that. It seems that you never heard about the BigMac Index to get an impression about different currencies and their value. It's boring to argue with you. You don't even realize that i dont care about any foreign currency or price range as i live in Germany. And i'm only interested in the price range here in germany. If you have to pay 100 Norwegian Krones or 10.000 dosn't matter me in any way. I do not buy the CPU in your country and import it on my own. As long as you don't realize that you argue like a fool. I send you on my ignore list. I don't use to discuss with fools anyway. They only steal my time.

... Correct me if I am wrong, ...

The shops have a vertain percentage range between the price the pay and they charge for. That's their income. If the price dropped they got the products cheaper. This range is also named Margin. That's one conclusion i got when i was working at germans biggest IT-distributor as a product manager. So. If that price drops AMD sells the CPU's cheaper and some dealerships bought it cheaper. When the price raises AMD is selling that CPU more expesive and the shops are adapting that higher prices in their calculation to keep the margin. Businesses are not a humabnitary organizations. So yes, you're right. The amount of people losing money by this is much bigger than those who win. Just because the gaming guys are one of the minority buying that processors. The Majority of the buyers are in the professional segment using a computer for making money (professional users).

 

[maxfly]

I'm sorry to say that. It seems that you never heard about the BigMac Index to get an impression about different currencies and their value. It's boring to argue with you. You don't even realize that i dont care about any foreign currency or price range as i live in Germany. And i'm only interested in the price range here in germany. If you have to pay 100 Norwegian Krones or 10.000 dosn't matter me in any way. I do not buy the CPU in your country and import it on my own. As long as you don't realize that you argue like a fool. I send you on my ignore list. I don't use to discuss with fools anyway. They only steal my time.


The shops have a vertain percentage range between the price the pay and they charge for. That's their income. If the price dropped they got the products cheaper. This range is also named Margin. That's one conclusion i got when i was working at germans biggest IT-distributor as a product manager. So. If that price drops AMD sells the CPU's cheaper and some dealerships bought it cheaper. When the price raises AMD is selling that CPU more expesive and the shops are adapting that higher prices in their calculation to keep the margin. Businesses are not a humabnitary organizations. So yes, you're right. The amount of people losing money by this is much bigger than those who win. Just because the gaming guys are one of the minority buying that processors. The Majority of the buyers are in the professional segment using a computer for making money (professional users).

If it were MY country being taken advantage of like this I'd be hopping mad! I mean that's awful doggone unfair. Being forced to pay for a FREE GAME! You should take this up with AMD directly. Definitely never spend another dollar on an AMD product until they answer for this travesty!

 

[gurusmi]

Why it is so hard to understand that that game is NOT for free. The people thinking so must be brainwashed by marketing departments. The money for that game didn't rain from the sky's. AMD doesn't print money,... But hey. The majority of users here thinks so.

I'm out here. This is a useless waste of time for me,

 

[dyonoctis]

I'm sorry to say that. It seems that you never heard about the BigMac Index to get an impression about different currencies and their value. It's boring to argue with you. You don't even realize that i dont care about any foreign currency or price range as i live in Germany. And i'm only interested in the price range here in germany. If you have to pay 100 Norwegian Krones or 10.000 dosn't matter me in any way. I do not buy the CPU in your country and import it on my own. As long as you don't realize that you argue like a fool. I send you on my ignore list. I don't use to discuss with fools anyway. They only steal my time.


The shops have a vertain percentage range between the price the pay and they charge for. That's their income. If the price dropped they got the products cheaper. This range is also named Margin. That's one conclusion i got when i was working at germans biggest IT-distributor as a product manager. So. If that price drops AMD sells the CPU's cheaper and some dealerships bought it cheaper. When the price raises AMD is selling that CPU more expesive and the shops are adapting that higher prices in their calculation to keep the margin. Businesses are not a humabnitary organizations. So yes, you're right. The amount of people losing money by this is much bigger than those who win. Just because the gaming guys are one of the minority buying that processors. The Majority of the buyers are in the professional segment using a computer for making money (professional users).

If the price only increases in your country whenever there's a bundle, that sounds like a Germans retailers trying to cash out problem out than an AMD problem. That doesn't happen in France, bundles are effectively free for the buyer.

Seems like you should complain about being German rather than calling out AMD for bundles.

Ho yea btw: retailers that are meant for professionals don't have the bundle. and big fucking surprise, the price with VAT is the same.

 

[INSTG8R]

I'm sorry to say that. It seems that you never heard about the BigMac Index to get an impression about different currencies and their value. It's boring to argue with you. You don't even realize that i dont care about any foreign currency or price range as i live in Germany. And i'm only interested in the price range here in germany. If you have to pay 100 Norwegian Krones or 10.000 dosn't matter me in any way. I do not buy the CPU in your country and import it on my own. As long as you don't realize that you argue like a fool. I send you on my ignore list. I don't use to discuss with fools anyway. They only steal my time.


The shops have a vertain percentage range between the price the pay and they charge for. That's their income. If the price dropped they got the products cheaper. This range is also named Margin. That's one conclusion i got when i was working at germans biggest IT-distributor as a product manager. So. If that price drops AMD sells the CPU's cheaper and some dealerships bought it cheaper. When the price raises AMD is selling that CPU more expesive and the shops are adapting that higher prices in their calculation to keep the margin. Businesses are not a humabnitary organizations. So yes, you're right. The amount of people losing money by this is much bigger than those who win. Just because the gaming guys are one of the minority buying that processors. The Majority of the buyers are in the professional segment using a computer for making money (professional users).

Nah man you just like to hear yourself talk and seem smart but fail YOU went off on the currency rant would you like me to read it back for you? You got your whole "I am so smart you know nothing of my currency! diatribe completely WRONG and I did know your currency and my own and your "metrics" were all BS and i laid it all out for you. Now you are trying to pivot back to only my currency matters even tho you were trying to allude to it being more expensive which I proved it was not. But now that doesn't matter now that you have been proven wrong AGAIN , The rest of this nonsense reads like a random paragraph from a Forbes magazine.
And LASTLY and most IMPORTANTLY your posts have NOTHING relevant at ALL to the original post. This is ALL a YOU problem and your almost CONSTANT sense of entitlement and making all about YOU with BS financial filler that AGAIN has nothing to do with the topic. I don't understand why you haven't realized yet you have done nothing at all but derail the entire original post because YOU feel entitled..
AMD do many bundles like this every year and I have l lost count on the number of games I have received over the years and the number I wished I had bought the bundle. I even just missed this one

But you are the FIRST person EVER in the almost 20 years I have been a member here and the amount of bundles AMD has done over at least half that time who made it into a thread of utter nonsense because suddenly YOU are special and this bundle is some kinda scam...and YOU deserve some sort of special compensation on THIS particular bundle our the probably hundred at least that have always been under the same condiiions....
Just STOP please I am tired of calling you out everytime and you just pivot to sometjhing even more irrlelevant and I have to call hat out too. You obviously have no self awareness to see you look like an utter spectacle but jsut keep churning out more nonsense so I get make a fool of you yet again. You have genuinely become boring because you just can't stop makng yourself just the most obvious of fools

I am going to try to simplfy this as best I can they run sometimes a dozen of these in a year they are always under the same conditions nothing has changed but the product and the bundle item, Full Stop.
There will never be any changes to it other than what I mentioned but will NEVER like what your insifgnicant self entielment wants EVER

THE END

send you on my ignore list. I don't use to discuss with fools anyway. They only steal my time.

aww I missed that part of his ranting wherehe had to tap out finalty at least he did finally give up and leave and I wasted all that effort...

 

[kapone32]

I'm sorry to say that. It seems that you never heard about the BigMac Index to get an impression about different currencies and their value. It's boring to argue with you. You don't even realize that i dont care about any foreign currency or price range as i live in Germany. And i'm only interested in the price range here in germany. If you have to pay 100 Norwegian Krones or 10.000 dosn't matter me in any way. I do not buy the CPU in your country and import it on my own. As long as you don't realize that you argue like a fool. I send you on my ignore list. I don't use to discuss with fools anyway. They only steal my time.


The shops have a vertain percentage range between the price the pay and they charge for. That's their income. If the price dropped they got the products cheaper. This range is also named Margin. That's one conclusion i got when i was working at germans biggest IT-distributor as a product manager. So. If that price drops AMD sells the CPU's cheaper and some dealerships bought it cheaper. When the price raises AMD is selling that CPU more expesive and the shops are adapting that higher prices in their calculation to keep the margin. Businesses are not a humabnitary organizations. So yes, you're right. The amount of people losing money by this is much bigger than those who win. Just because the gaming guys are one of the minority buying that processors. The Majority of the buyers are in the professional segment using a computer for making money (professional users).

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No change in price here. It is just an incentive to sell products there is no nefarious sub plot. If shops are upcharging as a result that is their own responsibility and not AMD. If anything the Etailers are happy to promote these as it does increase sales. Before everything went totally online you could get keys if you had a friend that worked at an Electronics store as those used to be cards.That is how I got Sonic All Stars Racing but none of this is new. There have been Games that I have known I was going to buy that as someone that builds PCs would actually have me see that as being a great deal. You can check my posts from the time this was announced I have wanted it. The only thing adding to AMD is knowing what I am getting my Nephew for Christmas.

 

[gurusmi]

For all the stupid ones that haven't catched the thing. Also for everybody who wants to talk about the german prices, Any more questions about price drops? Beginning September the lowest price was €499. As i said before as my last screendump had shown it either. Any more evidence? In June there was a short drop to 482€. And, oh surprise, since the start od the starfield Marketing campaign the price didn't get lower again. Ooops.

 

[maxfly]

Why it is so hard to understand that that game is NOT for free. The people thinking so must be brainwashed by marketing departments. The money for that game didn't rain from the sky's. AMD doesn't print money,... But hey. The majority of users here thinks so.

I'm out here. This is a useless waste of time for me,

I explained this to you yesterday. AMD isn't spending one thin dime on this promotion. AMD is being paid to bundle and promote this game. This is not rocket science. Your um, friend either provided you with inaccurate information or you didn't listen closely. I'm thinking the latter considering your responses in this thread. Your proposed model is flawed to put it kindly and has no bearing whatsoever on the transaction made between AMD and the games owner. There are countless ways to market a product, that's not one. Again, the games owner is simply using AMD as a vehicle with which to gain exposure and broaden it's fanbase. This is how they have been promoting video games for the last oh, 10-15 years, probably longer.

I happen to know a little something about marketing, but I defer to your clearly superior second hand info.

 

[kapone32]

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For all the stupid ones that haven't catched the thing. Also for everybody who wants to talk about the german prices, Any more questions about price drops? Beginning September the lowest price was €499. As i said before as my last screendump had shown it either. Any more evidence? In June there was a short drop to 482€. And, oh surprise, since the start od the starfield Marketing campaign the price didn't get lower again. Ooops.

Well the GPU I posted is exactly 270 US so that meets the launch price of the 7600. These are only incentives to sell product there is no price mark up by AMD in anticipation of this.

 

[maxfly]

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For all the stupid ones that haven't catched the thing. Also for everybody who wants to talk about the german prices, Any more questions about price drops? Beginning September the lowest price was €499. As i said before as my last screendump had shown it either. Any more evidence? In June there was a short drop to 482€. And, oh surprise, since the start od the starfield Marketing campaign the price didn't get lower again. Ooops.

The fog has lifted, I can see clearly now the free market at play. The workings of supply and demand in a capitalistic economy... something sinister is afoot.

I must be one of the stupid ones cuz I ain't catched tha thing hahaha.

Go Intel dude, no more AMD FREE GAME shenanigans! Problem solved.

 

[dyonoctis]

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For all the stupid ones that haven't catched the thing. Also for everybody who wants to talk about the german prices, Any more questions about price drops? Beginning September the lowest price was €499. As i said before as my last screendump had shown it either. Any more evidence? In June there was a short drop to 482€. And, oh surprise, since the start od the starfield Marketing campaign the price didn't get lower again. Ooops.

The starfield bundle started in July and was available until the 30th of September. Which means that the 7950x price did drop while the bundle was active.

The price curve of the 7950x also doesn't match other product that were also part of the bundle, or the prices fluctuation in other countries. Specific retailers in the same country can have flash sales that will lower the curve.
499€ was mindfactory all time low, not the all-time low at every retailer. As you can see, alternate price didn't fluctuate as much compared to mindfactory. Not even in September.

You are looking for reasons to hate and getting into dodgy conspiracy theories by doing so. And proceed to insult other people rather than admit your wrongs.

 

[gurusmi]

499€ was mindfactory all time low, not the all-time low at every retailer. As you can see, alternate price didn't fluctuate as much compared to mindfactory. Not even in September.

You are looking for reasons to hate and getting into dodgy conspiracy theories by doing so. And proceed to insult other people rather than admit your wrongs.

Then at least this dealer bought the cpu at a price where they can charge that amount. They don't hand out money to promote a CPU. That should be clear. So at least one "dealer
2 bought them at a price they are able to make those prices, According to your statistic cyvberport also had a price below 500€ shortly and shortly upfront the drop by mainfactory. So it has been more and not only one party with reduced prices. Nevertheless the game development was sponsored by AMD. So AMD did spend Money hardware or whatever to make the game better on that certain hardware. Is that so hard to understand? For AMD that promotion is not for free as long as one is not drunken or abusing drugs, There is nothing about conspiracy or whatever. There is also nothing about the Great Reset, Trump, Bill Gates and the Corona immunization,... or about other whatever sh*t (I don't know and care what consiracy theorems are around). It is straight and pure logical. If they wouldn't support that development in whatever way they wouldn't need that Marketing budget. Without that budget they would be able to offer the CPU/GPU by a lower price. We are still only on a logical path. If amd would offer a reduced game or alternately a cashback (or similar like a lowered price) nobody would be loosing. Period.

 

[INSTG8R]

The fog has lifted, I can see clearly now the free market at play. The workings of supply and demand in a capitalistic economy... something sinister is afoot.

I must be one of the stupid ones cuz I ain't catched tha thing hahaha.

Go Intel dude, no more AMD FREE GAME shenanigans! Problem solved.

Thanks for taking up the mantle

The fog has lifted, I can see clearly now the free market at play. The workings of supply and demand in a capitalistic economy... something sinister is afoot.

I must be one of the stupid ones cuz I ain't catched tha thing hahaha.

Go Intel dude, no more AMD FREE GAME shenanigans! Problem solved.

He has apparently blocked me tho he can still open my message if he wants to but he certainly didn't like be constantly reminded he wasn't the smartest man in the room when he just made it so easy to crush his BS in style . I am enjoying yours So subtle he doesn't even notice I just wanted to gut this wind bag and make it stop...Carry on to

 

[gurusmi]

For me this topic is closed as the majority even don't understand what i'm talking about. d'Hondt mentionend this a failed communication.

 

[dyonoctis]

Then at least this dealer bought the cpu at a price where they can charge that amount. They don't hand out money to promote a CPU. That should be clear. So at least one "dealer
2 bought them at a price they are able to make those prices, According to your statistic cyvberport also had a price below 500€ shortly and shortly upfront the drop by mainfactory. So it has been more and not only one party with reduced prices. Nevertheless the game development was sponsored by AMD. So AMD did spend Money hardware or whatever to make the game better on that certain hardware. Is that so hard to understand? For AMD that promotion is not for free as long as one is not drunken or abusing drugs, There is nothing about conspiracy or whatever. There is also nothing about the Great Reset, Trump, Bill Gates and the Corona immunization,... or about other whatever sh*t (I don't know and care what consiracy theorems are around). It is straight and pure logical. If they wouldn't support that development in whatever way they wouldn't need that Marketing budget. Without that budget they would be able to offer the CPU/GPU by a lower price. We are still only on a logical path. If amd would offer a reduced game or alternately a cashback (or similar like a lowered price) nobody would be loosing. Period.

Last answer, the more I read what you are writing, the more I realise that you are making a lot of assumptions...

So according to you, AMD is making favors to mind factory since they had the longest and biggest price drop of every retailer? And Black friday is only a thing because it just so happens that many products from different industries that are not related happened to have a price drop from the suppliers at the same time?

I've read an article about the "french days" (french version of black friday) the CEOs said that it was a purely strategic move to counter amazon prime days and black Fridays of Americans brands doing direct sales. The sales period is choose based on social clues that shows that people would be more inclined to spend money at said period. In 2018 the French days happened during the world cup. They didn't wait for the starts to align and have Samsung, Sony and AMD to make a big price cut at the same time that would only last 5 days. (The french days always last 5 days).

Business isn't so black and white. Some industries have enough leeway in their margins to afford strategic sales or price cuts. Selling with a lower margin is better than not selling at all. Remember that time where microcenter decided to give away ram with zen 4 when bought in store ? So what, does that means that AMD decided to make a price cut for microcenter only ? A very specific 189,99$ price cut on every ryzen 7 and 9 cpu that happened to be on the shelves of every microcenter store, but not for the online stock ? What reasoning would you give for the extra 20$ off if you buy a specific AM5 motherboard in store at the same time ? ( the 20$ off isn't available if you only buy a motherboard)

 

[kapone32]

For me this topic is closed as the majority even don't understand what i'm talking about. d'Hondt mentionend this a failed communication.

Just because your arguments have been proven wrong does not mean you should not be in the conversation. Discussion is meant to reveal enlightenment and there is NOTHING NEW ABOUT A GAME being promoted to sell hardware. I am sure I bought a 6750XT for a build and took advantage of COH3. They are called promotions.