'AMD postpones Zen 3 processors to 2021 due to weak competition'

[AsRock]

Not surprising, if true. Also considering the current market, I guess AMD decided it's better to launch 2021 with something fresh and new. I doubt 3-4 months is going to make the least bit difference, except for the group of people that are waiting to build a new rig...

And they be wanting those Zen 2 refresh chips to sell.

works for me, waiting on 3080ti anyway

Prep to bend over for it then

 

[Adam Krazispeed]

As my economic situation is right now, It doesn't brother me if they are delayed or not.

But perhaps others are disappointed if true.

yeahj im very PISSED OFF NO AMD F U , I WANT a 8c CPU with NO BULSHHIT CCX BOTTLENECK MFUGGERS... GIVE ME 47,4800X NOW... IM NOT BUYING AN XT CHIP, FOR A PREMIUM MARGIN FORGET IT AMD...

I WANT NEW TECH . NEW CORES U MFUGGERS

 

[cucker tarlson]

isn't 3700x a single 8 core cxx ? I thought that was what made it so much more expensive than 3600

 

[Adam Krazispeed]

works for me, waiting on 3080ti anyway

youll be paying 2k in $ 2grand $usd for that 3080ti,, or 3090 will be 2k /2 grand

isn't 3700x a single 8 core cxx ? I thought that was what made it so much more expensive than 3600

no its still 2x quad core CCXs its a SINGLE CCD or Core Complex Die... henc the CCD.... but still only has 2x quad core CCXs connected to the I/O Die//// the 3900/3950X has 4x CCX's but only 2X CCD's!!! 2X CCX'x in EACH CCD or Core Complex Die's

 

[cucker tarlson]

youll be paying 2k in $ 2grand $usd for that 3080ti,, or 3090 will be 2k /2 grand


no its still 2x quad core CCXs its a SINGLE CCD or Core Complex Die... henc the CCD.... but still only has 2x quad core CCXs connected to the I/O Die//// the 3900/3950X has 4x CCX's but only 2X CCD's!!! 2X CCX'x in EACH CCD or Core Complex Die's

ah,I mixed up ccx with ccd
what is 3900x ? 3x4 ?

 

[Adam Krazispeed]

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[scope54]

Disappointing a bit for me personally as I was looking into buying a new rig, but my original plan was to get a 2600 in july on the cheap anyway, and then just upgrade to 4000 later this year. So it's not like i wont have anything to use.
As a matter of fact this is actually not that bad, now I wont have to upgrade both the cpu and the gpu in a short period of time.

I just got a x570 board and going to pair it with a R3 3300x. It's good enough for 1440p and cheap. Should hold me well into the Zen 3 lifecycle.

 

[Adam Krazispeed]

ah,I mixed up ccx with ccd
what is 3900x ? 3x4 ?

https://i.gadgets360cdn.com/large/amd_ryzen3000_ccd_diagram_amd_1562497593623.jpg

basically the image here is showing a 3900/ 12c and or a 3950 16core/ if u read the dies labels its CCD0- on top left, ---- CCD1 on top right then the I/O die is in teh center... 12 &16 core cpus have 4x CCX's or 2x Full CCD's ( with an I/O Di for the PCI-e/SATA Etc...

12 core 3900 is 4x CCX's but 2 cores are disabled in each CCD, making 6 cores Per Core Complex Die, teh 16 core has all 8 en each chiplet/CCD

 

[cucker tarlson]

https://i.gadgets360cdn.com/large/amd_ryzen3000_ccd_diagram_amd_1562497593623.jpg

basically the image here is showing a 3900/ 12c and or a 3950 16core/ if u read the dies labels its CCD0- on top left, ---- CCD1 on top right then the I/O die is in teh center... 12 &16 core cpus have 4x CCX's or 2x Full CCD's ( with an I/O Di for the PCI-e/SATA Etc...

12 core 3900 is 4x CCX's but 2 cores are disabled in each CCD, making 6 cores Per Core Complex Die, teh 16 core has all 8 en each chiplet/CCD

ah,so it's (4+2)+(4+2)

I just got a x570 board and going to pair it with a R3 3300x. It's good enough for 1440p and cheap. Should hold me well into the Zen 3 lifecycle.

I'd like that very much too
it's a fun cpu to test
single ccx,very good bin

 

[Adam Krazispeed]

I just got a x570 board and going to pair it with a R3 3300x. It's good enough for 1440p and cheap. Should hold me well into the Zen 3 lifecycle.

nice, i wich i had the option for a 3300X. now it is just a Single CCX cuz its only a quad core/eight thread cpu so , if i was to dissable 4 of my cores, ( i can only disable 2x in each CCX on my single CCD so urs would actually run faster than mine if matched Core for core, basicly my cpu would run like a dog like the 3100X its 2cores on 2x CCX'x on a single CCD. (prob how it was BINNED that way)

witht he 2x CCXs there is some latency/pentaly from core to core from CCX to CCX, obvisoly it would be much worse on a 3900/3950 cuz not only have to do a CCX'to CCX it may also have to do a CCD to CCD hop which could make the Latency have a harsher pentalty?? tho odk if they got around that or not??? idk.... my dad has a 3900X and its a beast in mulltithreadding.. 12T

and games actually run about the same as my 3700x/3800X , got mine at OG price 3700X was 329.99 , then a got a 3800X a few months down the line for the same price of 329.99 @ my local microcenter, got a good deal on my x570 Aorus Master Gigabyte MB, like 50Bucks off with cpu/MB combo so i was like he wth lol back after they launched/ had 3700X at launch, got a 3800 X at first price drop and stuck the old 3700X in my ITX PC also X570 in a TU150 Lian-Li case, its noice

ah,so it's (4+2)+(4+2)


I'd like that very much too
it's a fun cpu to test
single ccx,very good bin

yeah its complicated lol and 16c is 4+4 ----4+4 is the 16core

Zen3 should just be...

8c Chiplet + 8C Chiplet + I/O Die ( IF they (AMD) Keep the current design SETUP? idk, but hopfully has a 2000Mhz starting clock for the Fabric clock, (well 933 up to 1800/1900 be complatible too) but a 2000Mhz + Infinity Fabric would be NICE AF

 

[freeagent]

I’m pretty sure intel has done this before, but the slap wasn’t so loud. They have done much slapping lately, except balls on the dog.

 

[Adam Krazispeed]

i want to see the Infinity fabric be twice the clock of uclock, right now its (for 3600 DDR4) its 1800 mhz (IF) Fabric / 1800 DDR4 Controller (if in 1:1:1 Mode Devider) * 1800 DDR4

id like to see this on 4000 cpus////(for 3600 DDR4) its 3600 mhz (IF) Fabric / 1800 DDR4 Controller (if in 1:1 Mode Devider) * 1800 DDR4 (hence Fabric would run at Full DDR4 speed and not at half like DDR4 ram is 1800 x2 = 3600Mhz

I just got a x570 board and going to pair it with a R3 3300x. It's good enough for 1440p and cheap. Should hold me well into the Zen 3 lifecycle.

the 3300X is even tradeing blows witht he 3600 Non x i believe and for ony $120, well if u can find one, i cant find one anywhere cuz i wanted to play around with one cuz of being a single 4 core CCX, give an idea of how zen3 "could" operate minus the ipc enhancements and half the cores, obviously the baseline 4700X if 8c/16t still would theratically be 2x of the 3300X take the Multitheading score from a benchmark that gives a score based bench, and then x by 2 like say 3300X gives (EG. 3450 points in Cinbench), x that by 2x.. u get 6900 points/// compare that to a current 3700/3800X gets say (example) of 7748 points in same MT cinbench bench, i thnk it be alot more bigger than that but this is just an idea/example of what the 4700X COULD be capable off stock with out the 17-20 % IPC improvments AMD claims on Zen3....(not for real just an example figure here..)

 

[ARF]

Not surprising, if true. Also considering the current market, I guess AMD decided it's better to launch 2021 with something fresh and new. I doubt 3-4 months is going to make the least bit difference, except for the group of people that are waiting to build a new rig...

Except AMD will miss and lose the holiday season shopping.

It's very bad timing for AMD to do Intel...

Just release the damn thing already and if you wish wait another 2 years for Zen 4 with DDR5, everything 5!

 

[cucker tarlson]

Except AMD will miss and lose the holiday season shopping.

It's very bad timing for AMD to do Intel...

Just release the damn thing already and if you wish wait another 2 years for Zen 4 with DDR5, everything 5!

I'd rather wait for it to be released on a smaller node than made on 7nm now

 

[Fleetwire]

Still on an Intel build as a few factors have obstructed me from even getting a Ryzen build, but my next build will definitely be Ryzen. Built a Ryzen PC for one of my friends who was too scared to build it himself, and goddamn if it isn't the most beautiful piece of hardware I've seen. Ryzen Master is also just gorgeous

 

[ARF]

So THIS is how AMD gets out of having to support older motherboards. Clever.

"lack of competition" what a lame excuse. If there is 0 competition you should be punching them while they're down. Dont let them get back up, or youll end up with another core 2.

Pretty this..
There is very high risk that they will become lazy, lose the traction in development, allow Intel to catch them by surprise, and again play the second whistle in the industry for decades to come.
When you have gained speed, just go with it, instead of pushing hard on the brakes.

 

[ERazer]

Prep to bend over for it then

ohh I know thats why thanks AMD, rather not get DP'd by amd and nvidia.

 

[John Naylor]

Yeah now that we have captured 1/3 of the market (1/5th of the gaming market) ... same as we had in 2008, we have decided we have no competition from the guy who has the other 2/3 (4/5)...

 

[biffzinker]

what is 3900x ? 3x4 ?

Two Ryzen 5 3600 CCD plus the I/O Die.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

Unless the XT's can come out on top in all gaming bench marks and beat intel. Nothing is going to change. All out gaming intel is recommended by most websites/youtubers.

 

[ARF]

Yeah now that we have captured 1/3 of the market (1/5th of the gaming market) ... same as we had in 2008, we have decided we have no competition from the guy who has the other 2/3 (4/5)...

Yes, I am quite sure that the OEMs think exactly the opposite of what AMD thinks and find the Intel offers still superior.

Unless the XT's can come out on top in all gaming bench marks and beat intel. Nothing is going to change. All out gaming intel is recommended by most websites/youtubers.

Yes, Intel will remain gaming now because their CPU's Ring bus is very optimised and efficient in the gaming loads.

 

[Assimilator]

This makes a lot of sense. First it explains the XT CPU parts, second the 5nm rumour (which may not be a rumour). Third it makes a lot of sense considering AMD (well TSMC) is pumping out chips left right and centre (1200AF and 1600AF in addition to the 3000-series).

But it does give cause for concern about Zen 3 and beyond. As others have said, once you've got your foot on the gas, why lift it off? Unless you hit a bump in the road...

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

This makes a lot of sense. First it explains the XT CPU parts, second the 5nm rumour (which may not be a rumour). Third it makes a lot of sense considering AMD (well TSMC) is pumping out chips left right and centre (1200AF and 1600AF in addition to the 3000-series).

But it does give cause for concern about Zen 3 and beyond. As others have said, once you've got your foot on the gas, why lift it off? Unless you hit a bump in the road...

We're only just leaving a global bump in the road it has to have affected everyone.

 

[Metroid]

It's a good move if true, also will have a little bit more time for silicon maturation, might finally get that 5ghz boost clock we all want.

 

[xman2007]

They are already working on Zen 4 + 5, so if this is true it has nothing to do with taking their foot off the pedal, they are likely 2 gens ahead in R+D if not more, I'm sure there's a 5 year cycle... moreover Zen 2 is selling well and perhaps the XT SKU's won't carry a premium they will likely slide into their respective non XT price points and we will see slight price cuts with the non XT variants, not all doom and gloom excpet for maybe those who were waiting for Ryzen 4000 CPU's this year for a new build.