AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT

[RedelZaVedno]

4K performance in Microsoft Flight Simulator is extremely disappointing I was hoping RDNA2's higher frequency and 16gb or ram to make a difference, but game obviously prefers more shaders and faster memory. Well, 3080 for me after all I guess.

 

[Jinxed]

Let's wait for the highly tuned ram reviews zen 3 + 6800 xt + rage mode + medium OC (which rtx 3080 cant oc really at all) + smart access memory... its going to be glorious

So you want users to invest time and money in all of that just to reach the performance level of what Nvidia can give you for mere $50 more, while offering much faster raytracing, features like DLSS and better video encoding, stable drivers?

 

[RainingTacco]

4K performance in Microsoft Flight Simulator is extremely disappointing I was hoping RDNA2's higher frequency and 16gb or ram to make a difference, but game obviously prefers more shaders and faster memory. Well, 3080 for me after all I guess.
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Lighting and shading is on the top with modern games. Unless we will get voxel/vastly better physics in games with destructible environment down to smallest pieces. And then people will push to actualy shade and light all these elements and it will return to shading being on top[which is more resource intensive then simple xyz translation].

 

[papajo_r]

I think you should rerun the entire benchmark with a different windows installation/drivers and maybe hardware because something is fishy in your tests..

E.g ACO the 6800 is FASTER than the 6800xt @1080p while at very low FPS in general while in other benchmarks of the same game for example the 6800xt was faster even compared to 3090 at this particular game...

and these measurements are very low and affect the "relative performance" average you give and many people will refere to in the near future and i find this missleading.

 

[Foobario]

@W1zzard

So exactly why is Nvidia in trouble? I don't get the title. Nvidia has the faster product both in rasterization and raytracing (much faster in raytracing in fact). There is no AI support on the AMD card that would be similar to DLSS, with no alternative to TensorCores. All that on a worse 8nm process (really just an improved 10nm). I'd actually look at that the other way - AMD, even with the best available process technology, much work spent on improving power efficiency, AMD was still unable to beat Nvidia. What happens when Nvidia moves to 5nm next gen? Where will AMD find any reserves for improvement? It's not like they can ditch GCN for the second time and get the same improvements (they've finally done it now, removing the last remains of that horrible architecture).

For longevity of the cards, the TensorCores and DLSS are actually a perfect solution. You can play games in native 4k easily on a RTX 3080. Games that come out 4 years from now, you might still be able to play confortably with DLSS on. I agree with you that memory is not as important simply because you run out of shading power before you do with memory. But with DLSS, you can actually extend that moral end-of-life of a card.

I also couldn't find any DLSS ON raytracing results, while there were in most previous Nvidia reviews. Why?

Otherwise thanks for a great review!

How many cards did AMD sell in the top end over the last four years? I'll help you out. The answer is zero. So Nvidia had 100% market share. Nvidia will be lucky to hold onto 50% share of the high end this time. That could be troubling from Nvidia's point of view.

As for the performance disparity between the 6800xt and 3080, this review favors the 3080 far more than the other five reviews I've read. Sure, if you are one of the five people in the world that play Anno 1800, Nvidia is the way to go, no doubt. At least two of the other games in this review I've never heard of. From the looks of it, the games are so obscure that AMD hasn't even bothered to create drivers for them. Yet they were included in this review only to skew results in Nvidia's favor as it seems the author knows his audience here. This message board seems to have more delusional Green kool aid drinkers than most.

 

[steen]

4K performance in Microsoft Flight Simulator is extremely disappointing I was hoping RDNA2's higher frequency and 16gb or ram to make a difference, but game obviously prefers more shaders and faster memory. Well, 3080 for me after all I guess.

I'm of the view 4k perf hit (in general) is a function of cache hit rate. ~75% @1080p, ~68% @1440p, ~58% @2160p.

May indicate that N22 will have 96MB IC & N23 64MB.

 

[Steevo]

AMD makes a card more energy efficient and as fast as a 3080. Nvidiots "Wahhh, its slower at RTRT, and and umm, its bad, cause Nvidia good" I notice how few are ready to discuss the average frametime and how AMD looks BETTER than Nvidia, that infinity cache smooths out all the peaks and still so much less power than the 7nm node is capable of handling.

Great review W1zz, sorry to see so many dog shit comments on your review complaining about an impressive piece of hardware. Can't wait to see how fast these can go with a bit of voltage modding or under water, if a 10% OC on air is there, with no voltage added, 1.2-1.3volts to the core and a 25% OC may be realistic.

I know whats going in my new machine, as soon as they are actually available, not gonna support the scalping of hardware.

 

[RainingTacco]

As for the performance disparity between the 6800xt and 3080, this review favors the 3080 far more than the other five reviews I've read. Sure, if you are one of the five people in the world that play Anno 1800, Nvidia is the way to go, no doubt. At least two of the other games in this review I've never heard of. From the looks of it, the games are so obscure that AMD hasn't even bothered to create drivers for them. Yet they were included in this review only to skew results in Nvidia's favor as it seems the author knows his audience here. This message board seems to have more delusional Green kool aid drinkers than most.

A review should have the biggest variety of games possible. DX11, DX12, AAA games, some AA games. You don't play only a very narrow selection of games on your GPU, unless of course you do that. But then again, why bother looking at average performance at all? Just look at the benchmark of the games you play/plan to play and buy GPU according to which one has more frames in these.

 

[Jinxed]

How many cards did AMD sell in the top end over the last four years? I'll help you out. The answer is zero. So Nvidia had 100% market share. Nvidia will be lucky to hold onto 50% share of the high end this time. That could be troubling from Nvidia's point of view.

As for the performance disparity between the 6800xt and 3080, this review favors the 3080 far more than the other five reviews I've read. Sure, if you are one of the five people in the world that play Anno 1800, Nvidia is the way to go, no doubt. At least two of the other games in this review I've never heard of. From the looks of it, the games are so obscure that AMD hasn't even bothered to create drivers for them. Yet they were included in this review only to skew results in Nvidia's favor as it seems the author knows his audience here. This message board seems to have more delusional Green kool aid drinkers than most.

Yeah, with AMD it always seems to be an error on someone else's side, not AMD. AMD is perfect. I hear you.

 

[Space Lynx]

So you want users to invest time and money in all of that just to reach the performance level of what Nvidia can give you for mere $50 more, while offering much faster raytracing, features like DLSS and better video encoding, stable drivers?

what nvidia? ah you mean that paper launch... no idea. i got a 6800 so going to go enjoy gaming now. cheers

 

[Deleted member 50521]

On a different note, The RX6000 series means the end for a lot of AMD supporters' "wait for XXXXX" meme. As far as DX12 Ultimate is concerned, these RX6000 might actually age pretty well like FineWine (As long as you keep that ray tracing off)

If ATI can keep this type of performance boosting up, RDNA3 might be them jumping back in front of Nvidia again. Well, assuming Nvidia functions like Intel though which is highly unlikely.

 

[RainingTacco]

not gonna support the scalping of hardware.

AMD is scalping too, there are already shortages xD At least what i see in Poland.

 

[Foobario]

So you want users to invest time and money in all of that just to reach the performance level of what Nvidia can give you for mere $50 more, while offering much faster raytracing, features like DLSS and better video encoding, stable drivers?

Does your Nvidia based computer operate without a CPU or RAM? How is buying a CPU and RAM a waste of money? Many people do a complete system upgrade when getting a new GPU. Probably even more so now that there has been a shift in what constitutes the best gaming CPU.

 

[steen]

I know whats going in my new machine, as soon as they are actually available, not gonna support the scalping of hardware.

Next week for AIB, much greater supply. Should be reasonably obtanium by Dec, but given demand for >$500 gpus...

 

[phill]

Great review there @W1zzard

Now the question for me will be, when the heck can I actually buy one!?! Such an achievement AMD, kudos and congrats on a fine product!! Even the cooler is decent without the noise or the temps being at melting point.. Bloody marvelous!!

@W1zzard will there be a review with the cards being tested on AMD platforms with the 5 series CPUs? If I recall, that's meant to help with performance, so I guess this is kinda of, worst case?

 

[Steevo]

AMD is scalping too, there are already shortages xD At least what i see in Poland.

AMD doesn't control retailers once they fill the retailers order. And unless AMD and Nvidia want to ruin relationships with retailers and AIB partners they are going to see their hardware to each at a set point and the retailers will mark up hardware as they see fit.

 

[W1zzard]

@W1zzard will there be a review with the cards being tested on AMD platforms with the 5 series CPUs? If I recall, that's meant to help with performance, so I guess this is kinda of, worst case?

Yup working on that article right now

 

[Jinxed]

Does your Nvidia based computer operate without a CPU or RAM? How is buying a CPU and RAM a waste of money? Many people do a complete system upgrade when getting a new GPU. Probably even more so now that there has been a shift in what constitutes the best gaming CPU.

What shift? Why without CPU or RAM? My 2 years old 9900K is paired with 64GB of RAM, standard speed for the platform. And I still get the same 4K framerate as I would with a brand new top of the line ryzen with expensive high speed memory and a lot of time investing into fine tuning it. That's according to W1zzard's own review here on TPU.

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So what exactly are you talking about?

 

[NDown]

Damn, im actually tempted to let go of my VII (was planning to use it at least 2 years XD) if i ever get the chance to buy the 6800XT.

Hoping stocks wont be as bad as the 3080 but that hope has really thin chance of happening i guess.

 

[RainingTacco]

AMD doesn't control retailers once they fill the retailers order. And unless AMD and Nvidia want to ruin relationships with retailers and AIB partners they are going to see their hardware to each at a set point and the retailers will mark up hardware as they see fit.

This will still end with people buying whole stock and reselling, if AMD won't provide enough supply for demand.

 

[phill]

Yup working on that article right now

You are amazing!!

I really wish this scalping was not happening.. Those prices

 

[Steevo]

This will still end with people buying whole stock and reselling, if AMD won't provide enough supply for demand.

True, but they are at the mercy of TSMC and their output, between CPU, GPU, APU for consoles they are utilizing every die.

How long before we see 6700 and 6600 models, built for 1440 and 1080 gaming, that is where the money is made, I think AMD is doing this a FU to Nvidia, Im surprised there hasn't been more news about them, but I also am going to guess they are trying to help retailers clean out inventory of older architechture before releasing anything below the $350 price point.

 

[Deleted member 50521]

Damn, im actually tempted to let go of my VII (was planning to use it at least 2 years XD) if i ever get the chance to buy the 6800XT.

Hoping stocks wont be as bad as the 3080 but that hope has really thin chance of happening i guess.

R7 fetch some good money among miners. Use that to offset some of the 6800XT scalping price.

 

[medi01]

AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT Review - NVIDIA is in Trouble

The Radeon RX 6800 XT is a worthy opponent to the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080. It offers similar performance at better power efficiency and lower noise levels. In our Radeon RX 6800 XT review, we also take a closer look at raytracing and "Rage Mode", a new 1-click method for overclocking.

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Reload. How's that?

Almost perfect, only highlighted card is a tad confusing, but that's OK.

 

[MikeGR7]

Confirming their inability to catch up with nVidia was a huge relief for me.

They clearly demonstrated with their CPU launch that they give crap about the end user in terms of value for money and all they wanted was a chance to pass ahead so they can overcharge their products.

Thank you AMD but we didn't need a new "Intel" in place of Intel and we didn't need a new "nVidia" to replace nVidia.

This company has clearly lost their path...