That was always the limiting factor on Nvidia cards, I mean for the last 20 years. Nvidia was always offering high performance and low VRAM at anything but the top models, to limit their life circle.
This from tpu review from w1zz. I know it's installed via the driver, but usually the hardware is able to communicate its functionality. I don't have an RTX50 card, so I pointed this out in the review.
They need if they want to secure their dominance in the market and their loyal customer base. It's not smart to abandon a market because you found better margins elsewhere. Nvidia will limit supply to cover AI demand, but they will do anything that is necessary to not look like they are abandoning gamers. And yes AMD is eating sand because if they come out with real MSRPs at $599 and $699 and good availability, everyone will call 9070 series DOA On the other hand Nvidia coming out with $549 and $749 fake MSRPs, paper launch and $200-$300 higher real street prices is considered great(for scalpers maybe).
i think nvidia plays the same game every time. Early adopters pay through the nose with low vram. Super cards come along to save the day. Price adjustments, promotions, more vram. They know what they are doing.
AMD will just do AMD, see no cards moving, panics, drops prices a bit, nothing happens, and sees it's downfall.
Nvidia main advantage in the GPU space come from proprietary features and they have built a whole ecosystem out off it. This is the n°1 reason why slowly AMD market share have been diminishing post Polaris, yes that whole "RTX revolution" and the tech attached to it.
The only way to brake free from that mold and make all that ecosystem advantage moot is by gaining back market share and not a few percentage but gaining it back BIG time. And no, shipping a better FSR4 now will not help at all, the only way off doing it is with extremely aggressive pricing.
I wished AMD would understand this, they have to go hard and if they don't want it for profit and margin reasons, they should just fast forward fate and stop making DGPU at all.
Software PhysX is considered good enough now. I think I was reading a few weeks ago that 5000 series wouldn't be supporting hardware PhysX. In any case, anyone wanting to have hardware PhysX in a game that doesn't support software PhysX for some reason, can go and buy a second hand GTX 1050 for example and add it on a second PCIe slot.
On the other hand it could be a hardware/driver problem associated with Blackwell that might get fixed in the future.
This had better nuke my 7800XTs RT performance for me to upgrade at that price. Will RADEON screw up another release? I don't know but if I were a betting man, I'd say yes!
AMD is already late for that aggressive pricing approach, most user who were using GTX cards have already upgraded to RTX one. AMD really missed the opportunity to slow down RTX adoption rate with RDNA 1&2 launch and price, it is why now they have a mountain to climb and I honestly think if they'll don't price the 9070xt around 500usd at most they can sell back their climbing gear and stop making DGPU.
Got up, drinking my coffee and opened twitter/x to find it full of 7070 awful prices tweets from reviewers who don't even have a review out yet and you know what if these prices are true they are right.
AMD repeating the same mistake? Or did they give the manufacturers to much free rope? Who knows but the results will be the same these cards will end up discounted just like the previous gen and the people actually interested in buying one will know this and hold off untill it happens. Damnit AMD wake up!
i think nvidia plays the same game every time. Early adopters pay through the nose with low vram. Super cards come along to save the day. Price adjustments, promotions, more vram. They know what they are doing.
Nvidia puts a standard price and when it is time to lower that price, they don't. They just release a new product of the same series at that same price. That way they enforce that price point and can use it as a base for a higher price for the equivalent model of the next series.
AMD on the other hand puts a high price to see if it will sell and slowly reduces prices to make it's products look like they are constantly on sale. "Was $499, now only $449".
AMD will just do AMD, see no cards moving, panics, drops prices a bit, nothing happens, and sees it's downfall.
What you describe here is what I think Nvidia tries to avoid. Imagine starting RTX 5070 with a $700 MSRP. People would be angry with Nvidia and any price reductions would be associated with "panic". Putting a fake $549 MSRP gives them the opportunity to start at $700 and any price reduction to advertise it as higher supply, instead of panic. Not to mention that increases pressure on AMD - no one would be calling RX 9070 DOA if the RTX 5070 had a $700 MSRP - and makes a number of gamers choosing to wait for the prices to go down to MSRP instead of buying an RX 9070. The time passes, AMD lowers the prices of RX 9070/XT, Nvidia follows, AMD is associated with panic, Nvidia is associated with better supply.
that's not true, i already posted it here, go get two similar performing nvidia and amd gpus from the last gen, compare price history in pcpartpicker and you'll see higher price in nvidia, but the lowest price is almost the same.
PhysX was opened around 2014, meaning you could have a primary AMD card and a secondary Nvidia card for PhysX without the need of those patches to unlock drivers.
Also it seams that software PhysX is now good enough with a top CPU. I keep a GT 710 for PhysX, which, OK, it's very low end, even for that job and recently realized that the R5 7600 offers somewhat better performance in software than what 710 can achieve in hardware. PhysX is not a major parameter today. The only reason to pay for an Nvidia card just for the hardware PhysX, is simplicity. One card that offers high performance instead of two cards or hopping the software version to be fast enough for your needs.
You guys can prepare your virtual "stones" and anger, to beat me up, for this post... But here it goes. Excuse me, please, for typing errors.
Best regards!
These cards will not sell well in Europe when we have to pay the equivalent to around $938 for the 9070 XT and $852 for the 9070. *sigh* When will AMD learn?
The cards in EU are above one grand, fore more than four years already. Set by the distributors, and resellers themselves. People bought out 1200€ 6800XT, 7900XT-XTX, 1200-1400€+ for 4080/4080S. Nothing will change in a good way. The other countries, including eastern Europe, are in even deeper sh*t, because the official AMD partners/distributors, price their cards, for DE/EU price+ 60-100€/$ shipment + customs and other taxes. This is while the salaries are at least trice, or fourth time lower.
This wasn't the case, when the distributors, were shipping the HW, directly from factories in Taiwan/China, while I've worked at SI, ages ago.
At this pace, the official distribution is the worst scam of them all, because they are the first line of price making, and nobody asks of their deeds. And AMD never step in, to fix their brand image, as they do exploit this themselves.
People are just buying, whatever the price it is, or go along with what they have. (I'm repeating my old posts, but) As the 6800XT never went below $1100-1200 here, and so with its successor 7900XT. There's no way, that 9070XT will be below that, even with good supply. As the pricing here never meets the MSRP, but the mad trends, like crypto and AI "imposed" "value".
The market will never accept this price.
AMD is not in a position to dictate so high prices - it is an underdog with declining market share - in the notebook section it is almost non-existent.
The cards with only 16 GB will be DOA.
The end of the Radeon division is just around the corner.
It will. If there's no other supply channels, but the ones, that already got the stock, and AMD, is clearly bound their prices to whatever nVidia "counterparts" prucing. One would only hope, and fool oneself, with this wishful thinking. 7800XT sold out imediately during launch at prices, higher than $550-650.
AMD will just watch what the market/"street" price will be for 5070/Ti, and adjust their pricing accordingly, directly, or proxy through their AIB and partners.
Say whatever you want about this guy, and his videos. And I disagree with his his "then" 7900XT positioning. But these are words of truth, and are still relevant today. Especially now, two years later, this is an obvious, and confirmed fact, and will sadly continue, because nobody but Enterprise and AI crowd has any influence for AMD's and nVidia price making.
8 GB less VRAM, same power consumption, same price. This is an obvious downgrade.
This is a mid-range card in an enthusiast-level retail packaging, with a steep enthusiast-level pricing, enthusiast-level power consumption, but mediocre features and mediocre performance.
It's not worth it.
This is, but what an ordinary buyer can do, if both the duopoly- GPU vendors, have delibetately locked the choice.
And AMD have perpetually locking themselves in extremely awkward position, due to the greed and submission to the investor's bizzare shortminded vision.
Again. I'm not fan or shill of this guy. However this is an interestig take, seems still go in-line, with all the AMD own previous and current, decisions, current rumours, hurdles, and info have happened until today.
Yet, despite some performance assumption, the points in this "old" video, are still viable, and reasonable, and will be, unless discarded during release.
RX 7800 XT (499$) was released 1.5 years ago in 2023
RX 9070 XT directly replaces RX 7800 XT! (Very similar die size and specifications even the same old GDDR6 vram which now is cheaper!) Even with tarifs they could easily price it at 599$. View attachment 385063
They could, but they never will. They are after profit margins. The BOM and R&D is meaningless, as the price is not bound to these, but by the margins, which are set to the Enterprise/Datacenter GPU market+ the somewhat discount, due to the silicon quality/inferiority.
AMD, like nVidia, won't allow their chips to be sold at less, than they do for their primary markets.
for a "mid-range" card, those are "high-end" prices, and the card has bulky cooling systems for a mid-range. Either the AIB's are overspec'ing the card like crazy or the card is performing crazy good hence the prices and coolers. I really don't know what to think, but I am leaning on the former.
that's not true, i already posted it here, go get two similar performing nvidia and amd gpus from the last gen, compare price history in pcpartpicker and you'll see higher price in nvidia, but the lowest price is almost the same.
Pcpartpicker is sadly a flawed metrics, due to being limited by a handful of countries. And, the prices in there, do not include the taxes, and other "price inlfating" factors.
Also, many of the listings are completely outdated and irrelevant.
Pcpartpicker is sadly a flawed metrics, due to being limited by a handful of countries. And, the prices in there, do not include the taxes, and other "price inlfating" factors.
Also, many of the listings are completely outdated and irrelevant.
that's not very relevant, prices usually scale with countries, the taxes and inflation are the same for nvidia and amd
the facts are lower prices are almost the same, that's why AMD doesn't sell
Eh... That's not aggressive. I think there's a chance that AIBs or retailers are pushing the MSRP line up, knowing the limited stock situation of competitors or... just the GPU has exceeded expectations and will trade punches with the 5080 while sipping tea.
One thing that seems inevitable in the future is the development of GPUs with longer lifespans. As manufacturing and development processes become exponentially more expensive, extending it will provide more time to recoup investments and focus on delivering meaningful improvements. According to Semi Analysis, the trend in AI accelerators is moving towards larger, more power-hungry chips. However, consumers cannot keep up with the trend of GPUs consuming 2000W and costing 2-3x more.
Cluster deployments are an order of magnitude larger in scale with Gigawatt-scale datacenters coming online at full capacity much faster than most believe. As such, there are considerable desi…
DOA at these prices, for MSRP. That is how the vast majority of viewers determine price/performance value and AMD needs greatly superior price/performance regardless of RTX 50 availability. 9070 needs to be $450-500, XT $600-650 at most, the lower end would really catch attention. Higher street prices would be frustrating but most reviewers won't determine that in release-day reviews, obviously, because those prices would come after review publication. As long as availability is decent they won't get backlash like NV has.
Eh... That's not aggressive. I think there's a chance that AIBs or retailers are pushing the MSRP line up, knowing the limited stock situation of competitors or... just the GPU has exceeded expectations and will trade punches with the 5080 while sipping tea.
One thing that seems inevitable in the future is the development of GPUs with longer lifespans. As manufacturing and development processes become exponentially more expensive, extending it will provide more time to recoup investments and focus on delivering meaningful improvements. According to Semi Analysis, the trend in AI accelerators is moving towards larger, more power-hungry chips. However, consumers cannot keep up with the trend of GPUs consuming 2000W and costing 2-3x more.
Cluster deployments are an order of magnitude larger in scale with Gigawatt-scale datacenters coming online at full capacity much faster than most believe. As such, there are considerable desi…
It would be nice if you make things more efficient in the process, i.e. Nvidia's supercomputer optimizing DLSS and their ray tracing improvements, raising the floor. Some sort of mandatory computational introspection across your company. (Circular economy principles?!)
that's not true, i already posted it here, go get two similar performing nvidia and amd gpus from the last gen, compare price history in pcpartpicker and you'll see higher price in nvidia, but the lowest price is almost the same.
if you reply to fact based arguments with "i think ...", than nothing is out of the realm of possibilities and even elephants can fly. The world is your oyster
