AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT is a 304 W TBP Card, Regular RX 9070 Comes with 220 W Configuration

[AusWolf]

EXACTLY (wrt nvIDIA's stack).

This is why nVIDIA's parts (typically) overclock like crap. Blackwell clocks higher bc reasons (ram limitations, clock disparity to next products; 3nm; is huge). They might sell it to you with the ram later.
Before Rubin. Just to get another damn sale. The clock limits (with no ram limitation) will equal the stock clock perf of the next product (on 3nm). There's always room for a refresh with nVIDIA.
They sell every inch of performance (and then obsolete something by doing something as simple as increasing DLSS performance penalty greater than it's OC perf, it's og stock perf games' aim). Get it?

You are literally taking the exact opposite from what I'm saying than you should.

That's the whole point...we DO have to upgrade more often when we shouldn't HAVE TO because the former products are equally as capable (just locked down/deficient in some fixable way).
Then they are obsoleted by software demands outside the requisites of games (read: DLSS) and software relegated to only newer products.
It's soo fucking absurd and obvious, I don't even know how to make it any more clear. Do people not get it, or do they just not care?

*sigh*

I still love ya, but forget it. I really am not trying to fight with you; I'm trying to help you understand what's happening.

Do you actually have to upgrade more often? I don't think so. Yes, they're trying to sell you incremental DLSS upgrades, but are they necessary? No.

Old news and debunked:

Alleged AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT nearly matches RX 7900 XTX in leaked Furmark 4K benchmark - VideoCardz.com

RX 9070 XT leak: Furmark is not just for stress testing It looks like AMD is preparing a surprise. AMD Radeon RX 9070 series are set to launch in two weeks, and in just one week AMD will disclose full details on the architecture. Gamers should look forward to full specs, performance, and...

videocardz.com

What's that "Intel UHD Graphics 770" doing right between the 7900 XT{X} and XT? Also, what's an XT{X}?

isn't Blackwell on TSMC 4N ? I know it's an Nvidia specific node but that's still 4nm, right ?
and while RTX50 really thirsts for extra RAM, GD7 should provide enough bandwidth, no ? (referring to the "ram limitation" comment)

Navi 48 is also made on TSMC 4N, as far as I know.

 

[alwayssts]

And it's been confirmed that the RTX 5070 is 250 W TDP? Assuming the RX 9070 is performance competitive, this would make it more efficient as well?

9070 should be VERY efficient. Like I've been saying, imo they should've just let it clock all the way up to xt levels (because it could likely max out 20gbps ram), but I guess they're going for that.
9070xt *should* (probably, barring cache that makes it unneeded) have faster ram than it does, and clock higher than it probably will. This is what happens when you make one product into two!
If they in-fact make a product that clocks high (probably like 5070 will) OOTB, it likely will have 24gbps ram. This is what happens when you make three products out of two!

Again, this only makes sense if it allows the lower-end products to be cheaper. nVIDIA clocked their parts expecting AMD to be able to hit 3460mhz. I don't know if they will, but probably.
I don't know if it's the higher-end of 9070xt or if there's another product, bc the ram/cache question.

Again, we know 9070xt is *likely* bw-limited/rop because it all makes sense with clocks.

8192sp with 20gbps could run at 2720mhz using all compute if like Navi 3.
ROP limitation brings this down to ~7508 (according to how AMD has it clocked). Those 'extra' shaders/CUs could be used for FSR or just mostly there for extra TMUs/RT cores.

Point is, we know 20gbps is typically ran (in AMD overdive) at 2700mhz (21600). So that's good for ~3200mhz if it's set up like Navi 32.

Like I say, AMD might be trying to fool nVIDIA (and me), and maybe they don't need the bw bc cache, but I kinda-sorta doubt it. Again, I can't tell you what I don't know...Only explain knowns and why could be.

If the die is this big and it is dense libraries (ie doesn't clock to the higher tier) IDK WTF happened. Massive fail?

Do you actually have to upgrade more often? I don't think so. Yes, they're trying to sell you incremental DLSS upgrades, but are they necessary? No.


What's that "Intel UHD Graphics 770" doing right between the 7900 XT{X} and XT? Also, what's an XT{X}?


Navi 48 is also made on TSMC 4N, as far as I know.

Guy...this is why I keep trying to explain 60fps mins to people. They make the card, it runs 60fps. They upgrade DLSS, card no longer 60fps mins.
Do you need 60fps? No. Can you turn down settings? Yes. Is it a psychological thing to make people upgrade? Yes. Is this just one thing they do (ram limitations being another)? Yes.
Is it on-purpose and provable? You can bet your favorite donkey.

Does AMD match their things more-fairly? Yes. Is this why FineWine™? Yes. Is it magic? No. It's called being a more ethical company.

 

[AusWolf]

Guy...this is why I keep trying to explain 60fps mins to people. They make the card, it runs 60fps. They upgrade DLSS, card no longer 60fps mins.

If they up the DLSS version, your current card suddenly doesn't do 60 FPS? Huh? What?

Do you need 60fps? No. Can you turn down settings? Yes. Is it a psychological thing to make people upgrade? Yes. Is this just one thing they do (ram limitations being another)? Yes.
Is it on-purpose and provable? You can bet your favorite donkey.

I agree, but I don't see what your point is.

Does AMD match their things more-fairly? Yes. Is this why fine-wine? Yes. Is it magic? No. It's called being a more ethical company.

Again, I agree, but I don't know what you're trying to say.

 

[Quicks]

by W1zzard, on Feb 20th, 2025,

"AMD is set to release the Radeon RX 9070 Series shortly, but it probably won't match the performance of the RTX 5070 Ti. Instead, it seems it will be more comparable to the RTX 5070, which is also expected to be released soon. While these new cards cannot rival the RTX 5070 Ti in terms of performance, they are likely to be priced more competitively due to increased competition in this market segment."

From the review of the 5070 TI and I am sure he has some inside info that most people don't have, going by that comment people are getting their hopes up way too high about the AMD 9070 series.

 

[AusWolf]

by W1zzard, on Feb 20th, 2025,

"AMD is set to release the Radeon RX 9070 Series shortly, but it probably won't match the performance of the RTX 5070 Ti. Instead, it seems it will be more comparable to the RTX 5070, which is also expected to be released soon. While these new cards cannot rival the RTX 5070 Ti in terms of performance, they are likely to be priced more competitively due to increased competition in this market segment."

From the review of the 5070 TI and I am sure he has some inside info that most people don't have, going by that comment people are getting their hopes up way too high about the AMD 9070 series.

It could also be a wild guess.

 

[TheGeekn°72]

Old news and debunked

My gamer in Gaben, it's been published today, what do you mean "old news" ?
And I read the article you linked, nothing about this debunks shart, all I see is that someone published the results of a 9070XT while trying to make up the result as a 7800XT's

 

[Makaveli]

The clock speeds in those tests are 20% lower than what’s been leaked so far. Looks like the benchies were tested at stock clocks.

Also the screenshots are showing two different versions of geekbench.

one is 6.2.2 other is 6.4.0 need to be on the same version for comparison purposes.

I just ran 6.4.0 and see this with an 7900 XTX

 

[alwayssts]

If they up the DLSS version, your current card suddenly doesn't do 60 FPS? Huh? What?


I agree, but I don't see what your point is.


Again, I agree, but I don't know what you're trying to say.

YES, first part. That is accurate. Go watch the CES keynote again. Listen to the part where they explain it takes almost twice the amount of power to run. This translate into going from ~8% to 15%.
This is actually even reflected in their own videos (performance hit). Go watch them. I'm not saying this for my health. Those percentages are very purposeful; to do the thing I said.
Especially compounded with RAM limitations and other features.

What I'm trying to explain to you is that there are very purposeful ways cards can be segmented. There are ways to equalize compute/ram. I have explained them before. Same with RT. And up-scaling.
nVIDIA actively avoids this and then alternates between accentuating them to outdate products prematurely. They also now do it with RT. All of these are easy-enough to match given gaming trends.
They purposely don't, and will not allow you to, although it is almost-always possible within the silicon design.

AMD typically matches things very fairly (compute/ram/other capability). This means products age gracefully (raster/buffer) over generations. This will now likely happen with RT and ML.
RT wasn't great, but card was good at raster. Now RT will be fine, but maybe ML up-scale isn't great bc of design limitations, but it'll likely still keep acceptable framerate, and they'll upgrade it when it makes sense.

This is why AMD is releasing ONE chip, and it will hold up just as well (albeit likely low-end) for just as long a lot of nVIDIA products. Again, likely anything outside a 24GB 5080 (which doesn't exist) or a 4090.

People act like they don't care about 60fps. I know they do. So does nVIDIA. So does AMD. That's why they do what they do. That's why they nVIDIA does their best to hide mins and sometimes even see FR at all.

Everything is in service to make a smaller (cheaper) chip for them and sell it for more. It is genius. Like I said, if it wasn't evil, it would be amazing. But it is evil, because it creates a disjointed ecosystem.

It's okay...I know. People don't care. They should...but they don't. It's fine. Just...argh.

 

[Quicks]

It could also be a wild guess.

Maybe, Maybe not. Here is some more hope for everyone:

Alleged AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT nearly matches RX 7900 XTX in leaked Furmark 4K benchmark - VideoCardz.com

RX 9070 XT leak: Furmark is not just for stress testing It looks like AMD is preparing a surprise. AMD Radeon RX 9070 series are set to launch in two weeks, and in just one week AMD will disclose full details on the architecture. Gamers should look forward to full specs, performance, and...

videocardz.com

 

[alwayssts]

by W1zzard, on Feb 20th, 2025,

"AMD is set to release the Radeon RX 9070 Series shortly, but it probably won't match the performance of the RTX 5070 Ti. Instead, it seems it will be more comparable to the RTX 5070, which is also expected to be released soon. While these new cards cannot rival the RTX 5070 Ti in terms of performance, they are likely to be priced more competitively due to increased competition in this market segment."

From the review of the 5070 TI and I am sure he has some inside info that most people don't have, going by that comment people are getting their hopes up way too high about the AMD 9070 series.

It matters how you judge things...W1zard knows this (and I think likes to see the fight). He knows I'm practical. He knows other people just like to see the biggest numbers. It's just how it is.

While you should not listen to W1zard's bias commentary, because you should make up your own mind, I do like to give him hell for stuff like that.

 

[AusWolf]

or his job. Which I think a lot of people still don't understand, or probably ever will...and even I don't completely. Most don't even understand what I'm trying to say, but he does, and many will make incorrect assumptions.

He could explain it to us, then.

When Steve (and the rest of the crew) from GN doesn't see a problem with shitting at a shit value product without taking a jab at an unreleased product from the competition, then I don't know why that's needed here.

 

[alwayssts]

He could explain it to us, then.

When Steve (and the rest of the crew) from GN doesn't see a problem with shitting at a shit value product without taking a jab at an unreleased product from the competition, then I don't know why that's needed here.

I agree! Read TPU's charts, then watch (a) Steve!

 

[AusWolf]

I agree! Read TPU's charts, then watch (a) Steve!

Yep. TPU's charts (without the conclusion) tell you all you need to know, and Steve is good entertainment.

 

[Kraust]

All but confirmed I will be buying a 9070 with that TDP. Hoping that it's a $500 card. Will be a nice birthday present.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

I'm worried now! Could RX 9070 non-XT end up being like a newer RX 7700 XT?!

Feels like maybe it should be called "RX 9070 SE", LOL.

 

[Dawora]

RDNA4 and Blackwell are both 4nm

5nm

What matters at this point is pricing and availability.

Getting hold of an MSRP 5070Ti yesterday seemed like a lot of effort and a lot of luck, but we know that retailers have had 9070 series cards in stock for 6+ weeks at this point - so hopefully they won't be scalped the same way Nvidia's "$749" 5070Ti was.

I'm hoping for a $649 price on the stock-clocked XT. That's higher than the $500 price point AMD said they were targeting, and still a disappointment - but with the 5070 Ti currently going for $900, I think $649 would be an appealing alternative, provided it's genuinely at the 4080-tier raster performance and 4070Ti-tier RT performance.

I'm not so worried about the 304W TDP if the vanilla card uses 220W - it just means that the default clocks/voltages are being pushed far too hard for the XT and a bit of light undervolting and perhaps limiting the clocks to 2950MHz instead of >3.1GHz will get me 97% of the performance for a 20-30% power reduction.

649 + Vat let say 20% = 778
But add AIB price over +100 for than if u want better model so final price can be over 900

It should be faster. After all the 4080S is a rebranded 4060ti. I expect the 9070xt to beat it by ~30% in raster and be on par in RT.

Lol u will be disapointed hard!
Maybe 9070XT cant even beat 5070Ti

isn't Blackwell on TSMC 4N ? I know it's an Nvidia specific node but that's still 4nm, right ?
and while RTX50 really thirsts for extra RAM, GD7 should provide enough bandwidth, no ? (referring to the "ram limitation" comment)

5nm

And it's been confirmed that the RTX 5070 is 250 W TDP? Assuming the RX 9070 is performance competitive, this would make it more efficient as well?

Or just slower, right?

 

[TheGeekn°72]

It should be faster. After all the 4080S is a rebranded 4060ti. I expect the 9070xt to beat it by ~30% in raster and be on par in RT.

Completely unrealistic, there's hopium addiction like mine and there's total delusions like this, even the 5080 doesn't beat the 4080S by 30%

Imho, it'll hover in the 900XT-XTX-80S area in general

 

[JustBenching]

Completely unrealistic, there's hopium addiction like mine and there's total delusions like this, even the 5080 doesn't beat the 4080S by 30%

Imho, it'll hover in the 900XT-XTX-80S area in general

True, the 5080 isn't beating the 4080s by a lot but that's because nvidia is greedy - the 5080 is basically a 5060ti with a different name.

 

[Dawora]

All but confirmed I will be buying a 9070 with that TDP. Hoping that it's a $500 card. Will be a nice birthday present.

500$ +Vat
+AIB extra if u want better model.. (theres no Amd ref models)
Theres no way u can get one for 500$

 

[JustBenching]

Lol u will be disapointed hard!
Maybe 9070XT cant even beat 5070Ti

The 5070ti offers very marginal gains over last gen and is severely cut down. It's basically a 5050 / 5060 at best. Amds 649$ card will scorch a 5060 man.

 

[Dawora]

Completely unrealistic, there's hopium addiction like mine and there's total delusions like this, even the 5080 doesn't beat the 4080S by 30%

Imho, it'll hover in the 900XT-XTX-80S area in general

Thats normal Amd hype train.

"If we say it, it will happen"

The 5070ti offers very marginal gains over last gen and is severely cut down. It's basically a 5050 / 5060 at best. Amds 649$ card will scorch a 5060 man.

5070Ti is still +30% faster Vs 4070Ti

And u will be disapointed when u see 9070Xt performance...
I think its stupid to say 9070Xt is 30% faster than 4080S, dont Hype so much, we both know its not realy hapening

Or are u realy thinking 9070Xt is 30% faster than 4080S?
So in 1440p it will be faster than 4090, lol
And 5090 is only 13% faster in 1440p than 9070Xt,lol

Reality check [√] ?

 

[Rabit]

Hm... non XT have quite low TDP I wonder if shunt mod will work

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

I wonder if the RX 9070 can't even beat an RX 7900 GRE now...

 

[dir_d]

I wonder if the RX 9070 can't even beat an RX 7900 GRE now...

Lets just hope they have changed how many units make up a CU.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Lets just hope they have changed how many units make up a CU.

I might be better off OC'ing the snot out of my Arc Alchemist! That will be the case, if an RX 9070 (non-XT) can't beat an Alchemist at 2.4 GHz or 2.5 GHz! Same if it can't beat the RX 6800 (including 6800 XT) family! You can't clock the RX 6800 family cores as much, but they have more IPC, as far as I can tell. But if the IPC is like an RX 6700 XT family card being artificially being capped to 2.5 GHz or similar, then we're in trouble!