AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 8 GB

[jabbadap]

Vega would probably be in the same overpriced scenario.

Hmm not sure if you understand my point, RX Vega⁶⁴ is that 650€, while I was talking about custom nvidia's. Well could have been more precise.

Just one request for @W1zzard if you don't mind. I think I was requesting getting some more vpu taxing power test than blurays some time ago. Is there possibly to start testing some HEVC 4k movies/trailers to see power usage of those. I don't think amd graphics cards support 4k Netlix yet, so testing with that might be asking too much. But at least all current gen cards should support 4k HEVC videos now.

 

[_Flare]

@W1zzard you have a lot of data, can you confirm that the GTX 980, (wich is about 10% more efficient than the 980Ti), is in 1080p about as efficient as the RX Vega 64 "@Std.Bios PWR-save" ?
So AMD managed finally to build a card better than Nvidias good old Maxwell: "faster then Maxwell 980Ti and efficient as GTX980" congrats AMD it was about time ... sadly its way too expensive and all serious gamers will have to buy OCed GTX1080s for 100-150 US$ or €uros less.

good luck AMD by switching away from efficient gaming (if its not a console)

 

[dalekdukesboy]

It's a purely formal matter , for gaming all they have to do is make it clear that they are not out of the game. That's all Vega is , a reminder they are still active in the high end gaming market. Trust me Vega is for the datacenter.

Do you think AMD with drivers/updates/tweaks etc can get this well ahead of 1080 and near 1080ti territory? That's only way I see it worth buying, the temps even controlled by great cooler a drawback but the power consumption really sucks, pun intended. May not matter to some, but if nothing else just being inefficient and burning etc electricity and turning a summer room into a swelterbox while gaming/number crunching etc is a turn off for some.

 

[hapkiman]

Do you think AMD with drivers/updates/tweaks etc can get this well ahead of 1080 and near 1080ti territory? That's only way I see it worth buying, the temps even controlled by great cooler a drawback but the power consumption really sucks, pun intended. May not matter to some, but if nothing else just being inefficient and burning etc electricity and turning a summer room into a swelterbox while gaming/number crunching etc is a turn off for some.

Speculation at this point. But will it get well ahead of a 1080? I don't think so. But it will certainly equal it, and beat it in some games, and lose in others. I believe it will eventually be on par with the 1080. Surpass it completely? Doubtful.

But a Vega 64 "near 1080Ti territory" (as you put it). No- highly unlikely. The 1080Ti is considerably more powerful than the Vega64.

 

[xkm1948]

Funny thing, Primitive Shader Discard works perfectly. As a matter of fact, the higher you overclock the more stuff it discards, like the stuff that are not supposed to be discarded. Check out @buildzoid video, starting around 26:00

So yeah, overclocking VEGA and you start to loose details in games.

 

[_Flare]

so a blackscreen thru OC can be misinterpreted with Vega, it could be only discarding EVERYthing, resulting in a full-black-screen saving a lot of renderwork and power, it´s a WIN, isn´t it ?

 

[buildzoid]

Funny thing, Primitive Shader Discard works perfectly. As a matter of fact, the higher you overclock the more stuff it discards, like the stuff that are not supposed to be discarded. Check out @buildzoid video, starting around 26:00

So yeah, overclocking VEGA and you start to loose details in games.

No it glitches out when clocked too high. I've the issue a few times but I can't get it to occur consistently.

 

[LTUGamer]

• Extremely high power draw
  
• Lots of fan noise
  
• High temperatures
  
• Throttling
  
• Coil noise at high FPS

Still "highly recommended". Lol

 

[Octopuss]

I'm thinking I might buy one of the next five Vega rebrands. You know, Vega 64, 74, 84,... Whatever hardware bugs would likely be fixed by then and power draw might be a little lower.

 

[Vayra86]

Very much as expected, very crappy release. No OC results bc of drivers, even after all tge delay. Matches Nvidia stock clocks so in reality VEGA will consistently land a good 8-10% behind even the 1080.

Too little, too late, too hot and too power hungry. AMD needs a radical redesign of GCN as it still looks like DX11 inefficiency all over again. This is Fury X v2 just as I predicted. Shame

 

[xkm1948]

AMD may have lied about Vega pricing

https://www.hardocp.com/news/2017/08/16/claims_early_pricing_on_vega_64_56_fall_flat_in_usa

This is like adding insult to injury

 

[Steevo]

AMD may have lied about Vega pricing

https://www.hardocp.com/news/2017/08/16/claims_early_pricing_on_vega_64_56_fall_flat_in_usa

This is like adding insult to injury

They should have just doubled its launch price, called it Vega ME, Mining Edition and they still would have flown off shelves and AMD could have at least doubled the money on the few thousand cards they actually had after "building up stock".

 

[Indurain]

Without the rebates, which according to some there was no mention of in the review materials, the value proposition changes drastically for all these cards. I am wondering if reviewers will 'do the right thing' and add an addendum to their reviews decreasing the price/performance metrics.

@Steevo from what I read on other sites as an Example Newegg in the US got less than 70 cards that could be sold without the software bundle and at the suggested $499 price. So to say thousands might be a bit of a stretch.

I am so glad that the CPU side of AMD doesn't behave this way.

I was all set to buy a Vega 64 and waterblock, even held up my current build two months waiting on Vega. Yesterday ordered a GTX 1080 Ti since all that was left was the bundles with no hope of ever seeing the $499 or even the $599 price ever again.

 

[Steevo]

Without the rebates, which according to some there was no mention of in the review materials, the value proposition changes drastically for all these cards. I am wondering if reviewers will 'do the right thing' and add an addendum to their reviews decreasing the price/performance metrics.

@Steevo from what I read on other sites as an Example Newegg in the US got less than 70 cards that could be sold without the software bundle and at the suggested $499 price. So to say thousands might be a bit of a stretch.

I am so glad that the CPU side of AMD doesn't behave this way.

I was all set to buy a Vega 64 and waterblock, even held up my current build two months waiting on Vega. Yesterday ordered a GTX 1080 Ti since all that was left was the bundles with no hope of ever seeing the $499 or even the $599 price ever again.

The profit I made off AMD stock is going to buy me a Nvidia card this time around too. I think they had at least a thousand cards worldwide. I'm debating if I should get a Zen processor this round, or find a good clocking generation old Intel without the memory issues and better IPC performance, since I don't do IT work anymore having 8 cores to handle multiple tasks and with as good Cuda support for video processing...... does it really matter having extra threads for the 4-5% of times I might need more than 4 cores or 8 threads?

 

[EarthDog]

Intel Memory issues? Better ipc last gen? Whaaa? 7700k man since you dont need the cores.

 

[Power Slave]

AMD may have lied about Vega pricing

https://www.hardocp.com/news/2017/08/16/claims_early_pricing_on_vega_64_56_fall_flat_in_usa

This is like adding insult to injury

Hi short time lurker of forums , long time news reader though with first.

That was 2days ago and based something said that spread rather than factual , AMD gave this response today.

https://videocardz.com/72123/amd-issues-official-statement-regarding-radeon-rx-vega-64-pricing

Radeon RX Vega 64 demand continues to exceed expectations. AMD is working closely with its partners to address this demand. Our initial launch quantities included standalone Radeon RX Vega 64 at SEP of $499, Radeon RX Vega 64 Black Packs at SEP of $599, and Radeon RX Vega 64 Aqua Packs at SEP of $699. We are working with our partners to restock all SKUs of Radeon RX Vega 64 including the standalone cards and Gamer Packs over the next few weeks, and you should expect quantities of Vega to start arriving in the coming days.

I think Vega 64 has good performance for the price however the heat and the power draw is really high and cant be overlooked. I've got a Nitro Fury right now and contemplating upgrade after I see what a Nitro cooler can do on this chip.

 

[RejZoR]

Funny thing, Primitive Shader Discard works perfectly. As a matter of fact, the higher you overclock the more stuff it discards, like the stuff that are not supposed to be discarded. Check out @buildzoid video, starting around 26:00

So yeah, overclocking VEGA and you start to loose details in games.

Don't be stupid, he was talking about LN2. How many of you use LN2 for gaming? No one. Stop spreading FUD.

 

[lightofhonor]

On the Amazon best-selling CPU list, the Ryzen 1700x jumped to the 2nd position (from maybe a top20 or a bit above). Guess why.

Because it was the daily deal and was going for under $300

 

[Vayra86]

AMD may have lied about Vega pricing

https://www.hardocp.com/news/2017/08/16/claims_early_pricing_on_vega_64_56_fall_flat_in_usa

This is like adding insult to injury

Who cares, its a bad deal regardless? People are going apeshit over a product they'll never buy anyway, because they all own a 1080ti or a 1080.

Bottom line, AMD doesn't want to sell this card, its clear from the timing and the way its launched to its performance/watt/dollar ratios, to the overall marketing surrounding it and everything else. I wouldn't be surprised if they're selling HBM at a loss again. Exceeding expectations, they say... rofl. Market's been saturated for at least a year now. GTFO

 

[Footman]

Who cares!!! So many haters.....

Bottom line AMD has a high end card again that gives end users a choice. Is Vega perfect? No.

People can buy it or not.........

 

[xkm1948]

If Navi is multiple GCN stiched together by IF, it will be another major fail. IF is good tech, however it need some good core design to work on.

Who cares!!! So many haters.....

Bottom line AMD has a high end card again that gives end users a choice. Is Vega perfect? No.

People can buy it or not.........

What overclock can you get on your Vega FE? Does the Crimson driver work on the FE as well?

 

[Footman]

If Navi is multiple GCN stiched together by IF, it will be another major fail. IF is good tech, however it need some good core design to work on.



What overclock can you get on your Vega FE? Does the Crimson driver work on the FE as well?

I have Vega64 and I am working with Watt Tool to achieve DPM7 state of 1630, which should be reasonably easy, assuming I don't hit thermal or power limits. Having said this so far I have no reliable tools that show what my actual clock is, all of the reporting software is buggy atm....

 

[xkm1948]

What RTG did here is truly despicable. They intentionally manipulated professional review site to favor them through fake pricing. This has been caught on by multiple sites and I do hope this will blow larger. RTG's sketchy move needs to be exposed as this puts the trusted review site in really bad position.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6ux0qn/jayztwocents_ive_been_thinking_about_this_amd/

 

[Vayra86]

What RTG did here is truly despicable. They intentionally manipulated professional review site to favor them through fake pricing. This has been caught on by multiple sites and I do hope this will blow larger. RTG's sketchy move needs to be exposed as this puts the trusted review site in really bad position.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6ux0qn/jayztwocents_ive_been_thinking_about_this_amd/

Storm in a teacup & AMD 'revolutionary' marketing at work.

Let's move on and forget this ever happened, fast.

 

[Footman]

I'll take my class action money for Nvidia lies about memory in their GTX 970's and use that to make up for AMD's lies about Vega pricing..............