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AMD Radeon Vega 12 and Vega 20 Listed in Ashes Of The Singularity Database

T4C Fantasy said:
Vega 12 has all of the features as 10 but smaller like polaris 12 is to 10
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So 1028 shaders or less? Or closer to Polaris at 2560.

I suppose it's lowends turn tbh.
 
T4C Fantasy said:
Right now i dont know the cu count but one is 4gb hbm2 i think
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Do we have the name for that RX Vega Mobile chip, which should be ~28cus. Maybe it's the Vega 12. This amd mobile aots score is quite interesting, what is that other gpu on it?
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jabbadap said:
Do we have the name for that RX Vega Mobile chip, which should be ~28cus. Maybe it's the Vega 12. This amd mobile aots score is quite interesting, what is that other gpu on it?
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This is where it gets confusing for most, no vega 12 is not a successor to vega 11 apu graphics, vega 12 will be like rx vega 18 mobile or rx vega 24 etc
 
While we all want AMD to be competing in the high end, we know it's not going to happen anytime in the next few years. Vega 20 will arrive ~Q1 2019 but will be a professional product. Navi is expected mid to late 2019, but is targeting a performance level close to Vega 10. By that time, it will be competing with GTX 1060's replacement "GTX 1160", so only competing in the lower mid-range and downward.

We've seen the hype ahead of Fiji, Polaris and Vega, and we know how they turned out. Now once again the forums heat up, this time about Navi and shrinks of Vega, and the usual Youtubers pour fuel on the fire. It's astounding how much faith some put in TSMC's 7nm node to solve all of AMD's problems. Even if we assume TSMC 7nm is free of the problems 40nm/28nm/20nm/16nm all suffered from, we might hope for something like ~40% improved efficiency or ~30% more performance(through higher clocks), but that will be towards the end of the 7nm lifecycle, not Q1 2019. And AMD will have to choose between better efficiency or higher clocks, or a mix, but they can't get the full potential of both.

People should remember that a GTX 1080 performs about 80% better per watt than RX 480 or RX Vega 64, so just a die shrink will not be enough for AMD to keep up. "Consumer Volta" would easily beat a die shrink of Vega, and would probably do well against Navi too, despite the advantage of a smaller node. Also remember that 7 nm will not ship in massive volumes in Q1 2019, so AMD will have too choose which chips to prioritize.
 
efikkan said:
While we all want AMD to be competing in the high end, we know it's not going to happen anytime in the next few years. Vega 20 will arrive ~Q1 2019 but will be a professional product. Navi is expected mid to late 2019, but is targeting a performance level close to Vega 10. By that time, it will be competing with GTX 1060's replacement "GTX 1160", so only competing in the lower mid-range and downward.

We've seen the hype ahead of Fiji, Polaris and Vega, and we know how they turned out. Now once again the forums heat up, this time about Navi and shrinks of Vega, and the usual Youtubers pour fuel on the fire. It's astounding how much faith some put in TSMC's 7nm node to solve all of AMD's problems. Even if we assume TSMC 7nm is free of the problems 40nm/28nm/20nm/16nm all suffered from, we might hope for something like ~40% improved efficiency or ~30% more performance(through higher clocks), but that will be towards the end of the 7nm lifecycle, not Q1 2019. And AMD will have to choose between better efficiency or higher clocks, or a mix, but they can't get the full potential of both.

People should remember that a GTX 1080 performs about 80% better per watt than RX 480 or RX Vega 64, so just a die shrink will not be enough for AMD to keep up. "Consumer Volta" would easily beat a die shrink of Vega, and would probably do well against Navi too, despite the advantage of a smaller node. Also remember that 7 nm will not ship in massive volumes in Q1 2019, so AMD will have too choose which chips to prioritize.
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Their are other nodes then 7nm and mainstream isn't likely to get to 7nm until 2020 ,i think they have a very scalable core with Vega, mine works anywhere between 120-400+ watts and various performance levels obviously, flat out it equals a 1080ti in modern Apis but at a higher wattage on older APIs it does lag a bit ,i think they could make something competitive for midrange easily, top end for better or worse is sorted and selling well, mud range and below needs a new GPU asap.

And your post is the first I've Seen sensationaling the dedate here.
@jabbadap I heard Vega 14 is for mobile uses.
 
theoneandonlymrk said:
Their are other nodes then 7nm and mainstream isn't likely to get to 7nm until 2020 ,i think they have a very scalable core with Vega, mine works anywhere between 120-400+ watts and various performance levels obviously, flat out it equals a 1080ti in modern Apis but at a higher wattage on older APIs it does lag a bit ,i think they could make something competitive for midrange easily, top end for better or worse is sorted and selling well, mud range and below needs a new GPU asap.

And your post is the first I've Seen sensationaling the dedate here.
@jabbadap I heard Vega 14 is for mobile uses.
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Vega 14 doesnt exist afaik. as a core only 12 and 20 this year, mass production of 7nm is planned for 2019 possibly late of course but it will be there before 2020, 2020 will have navi 20 or w/e next gen is. As a gpu database maintainer my job isnt the results of the specs but the specs themselves. I dont care if vega 20 beats 1080ti or is worse than a 1070, my passion is graphics cards as a whole.
 
theoneandonlymrk said:
Their are other nodes then 7nm and mainstream isn't likely to get to 7nm until 2020 ,i think they have a very scalable core with Vega, mine works anywhere between 120-400+ watts and various performance levels obviously, flat out it equals a 1080ti in modern Apis but at a higher wattage on older APIs it does lag a bit ,i think they could make something competitive for midrange easily, top end for better or worse is sorted and selling well, mud range and below needs a new GPU asap.
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AMD have said Navi 10 will replace Vega 10, and there is no node shrink of Vega 10 planned. They might have a backup plan, but right now the next target is Navi.

How is Vega going to "scale" out of this problem? Pascal offers ~80% more performance per watt, consumer "volta" will push that even further. Not even the best node shrink imaginable will come close to compensating for that.

And you're one of those who still spin the "AMD is better at newer APIs"-story. Well, there is nothing inherently benefiting Vega in either Direct3D 12 nor Vulkan, and the games people like to use as examples doesn't even use these APIs natively. We've been hearing this since the early days of GCN, and we're still waiting for AMD's "future proof" hardware to pay off…
 
T4C Fantasy said:
This is where it gets confusing for most, no vega 12 is not a successor to vega 11 apu graphics, vega 12 will be like rx vega 18 mobile or rx vega 24 etc
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Well that run has two gpus, GPU #1 is that raven ridge vega 11 and GPU #2 Radeon RX Vega... Mobile, ⁵⁶ or what. I'm not really familiar with those scores or fps:s on that bench, if I remember correctly it's horrible bench anyway to compare.
 
jabbadap said:
Well that run has two gpus, GPU #1 is that raven ridge vega 11 and GPU #2 Radeon RX Vega... Mobile, ⁵⁶ or what. I'm not really familiar with those scores or fps:s on that bench, if I remember correctly it's horrible bench anyway to compare.
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well yes i understand every naming convention, but ive run into so many conversations where people get confused, i didnt do a good job clearing it up but

Raven = Vega 3, 6, 8, RX Vega 10, 11
Vega 12 = RX Vega 18~24 Desktop and or Mobile (naming is unknown)
Vega 11 = RX Vega 28~36 Desktop and or Mobile (naming is unknown) <-- may have been canceled
Vega 10 = RX Vega 56, 64
 
If Vega 11 has been cancelled, they can't seriously be thinking about pushing Polaris for another generation, can they?
 
efikkan said:
AMD have said Navi 10 will replace Vega 10, and there is no node shrink of Vega 10 planned. They might have a backup plan, but right now the next target is Navi.

How is Vega going to "scale" out of this problem? Pascal offers ~80% more performance per watt, consumer "volta" will push that even further. Not even the best node shrink imaginable will come close to compensating for that.

And you're one of those who still spin the "AMD is better at newer APIs"-story. Well, there is nothing inherently benefiting Vega in either Direct3D 12 nor Vulkan, and the games people like to use as examples doesn't even use these APIs natively. We've been hearing this since the early days of GCN, and we're still waiting for AMD's "future proof" hardware to pay off…
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Again with sensational nonesense where did I say it's better?? I have used both btw have you.
 
FordGT90Concept said:
If Vega 11 has been cancelled, they can't seriously be thinking about pushing Polaris for another generation, can they?
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I think the Vega 28 sku will be igp only like raven and wont carry the vega 11 core name
The placement of the id is in igp range
Vega 12 and 20 are the only new cores right now
 
Radeon Group has new leader right ?? he said Navi is not MCM, but he mention than Gaming and Workstation GPU will be separated., unlike Raja want put Vega under same roof Workstation Hybrid Gaming card
 
lynx29 said:
I hope the Vega 20 can handily beat an OC'd 1080 ti, otherwise Nvidia is going to release performance increases at a snails pace like Intel did for so long.
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I hope AMD lags in GPU department for a while, for exactly this reason.
Oh, and price, increase the price, Huang, the market is ready.
 
I find it odd, that to ensure one is part of the latest and most advanced AMD cpu & gpu ecosystem, is a choice between selling a kidney for a vega dgpu, or buying their very cheapest product - the apu.

usually cheap means superannuated old crap.
 
FordGT90Concept said:
If Vega 11 has been cancelled, they can't seriously be thinking about pushing Polaris for another generation, can they?
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IDK but from all this talk above and knowing Polaris was only once re-named, that might be their cheapest option and see if Nvidia holds back more.

Just nothing more than Ryzen+ to Polaris ... that's entails few tweaks to perhaps the memory controller or whatever cheap and quick "corrections" and just say it's going to the 12nm process. That could tide over many (ie 1080p) who haven't had a chance to upgrade since before Polaris and I think there's a bunch of them. And, as with Ryzen+ get some price reductions, sure GDDR is supposedly hard to get and pricey, but see if they can hold the same MSRP that they had in June 2016. I don't see Nvidia looking to release some *1160* at anything south of $329, while first Founder Editions at $400.
 
T4C Fantasy said:
I think the Vega 28 sku will be igp only like raven and wont carry the vega 11 core name
The placement of the id is in igp range
Vega 12 and 20 are the only new cores right now
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IGP? So some Kaby Lake G like BGA mobile apu perhaps(that fenghuang raven thingy), I don't think that would fit to AM4 socket(cpu+28cu+hbm2).

But I agree there's only Vega 12 and Vega 20 chips are pretty much only certain new vegas.
 
The most annoying game ever created. Loads in 3,30 minutes, whit not working DX12 whit every setting change needs to restart and works on 20fps.
 
Readlight said:
The most annoying game ever created. Loads in 3,30 minutes, whit not working DX12 whit every setting change needs to restart and works on 20fps.
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Lies! It's the poster child of DX12 and gets rolled out as required.
 
jabbadap said:
IGP? So some Kaby Lake G like BGA mobile apu perhaps(that fenghuang raven thingy), I don't think that would fit to AM4 socket(cpu+28cu+hbm2).

But I agree there's only Vega 12 and Vega 20 chips are pretty much only certain new vegas.
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I am not so sure on die HBMis very restricted by die space. They seem to talk of it as like adding a mezzanine to the die.
 
High End Navis will be released after the mid Range Ones.
Vega is slower than anticipated, but not so bad.
I just bought a Vega 64 Liquid Edition and a NITRO+ Vega 64.
 
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