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Honestly, i dont need to get the best of the best for thousands of dollars. I would really be happy if my 6900xt was replaced with something that would boost the performance of my current card by double and it does not have to be the best. I'm not sure what AMD is planing with the new gen there are a lot of rumors flying around.
I play 4k 144hz so if i get a graphics that would utilize my screen I'd be happy. The price is a doozy for me. I wish to get that graphics for not much the $600. Maybe $500. It would have made me so damn happy and my wife would not hang me on a tree for it while kids watch.
That is what I want and I'd be happy with. RT? don't need that for playing games.
 
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Last time, when AMD had the best GPU for a few months, they were selling those things at inflated prices, then nvidia released their own faster GPU at something like 30% lower price.
I don't know exactly about which GPUs you are talking about but the Nvidia of old is not like the one of today, they have a different brand to uphold now, you are never going to see the engage in pricing wars again.
 
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No no, RX 6000 times was hard for Nvidia, they had to push the bounderies (3090 Ti, 3090), and release the biggest chip as an cut down xx80, which they usually never did (GTX 780 was last time before that). This was all because AMD was very competitive with RTX 30 series. Since RTX 40 series they are weakly contested at high end again, 4090 has 0 competition. 4080 has middling competition and AMD's marketing was weak, which always helps Nvidia just dominate the market. It's not like Nvidia has better graphics cards everywhere, just high end.

Nvidia always was strong with marketing (so *was* intel, isn't anymore), AMD, not really. Ryzen yes, Athlon, okay-ish, Radeon, no. Marketing is key and very important. Mind share is very important and part of marketing.
There is barely if any relative gap between what RDNA2 was compared to Ampere, and what RDNA3 was compared to Ada.

In both Nvidia had a better time to market, better availability, and simply a better GPU with a better featureset, with performance priced similarly, too.

The RX 6800 XT (MSRP 649,-) fought and still fights a 3080 (MSRP 699,-) with weaker RT and no DLSS. Above that, RDNA2 performance kinda stalls, hard. The perf gap between 6800XT and 6950XT is a mere 16%. Nvidia already had that with 3090, and you are correct 3090ti is the halo card for them this gen adding another 20%. Forced? Neh, Ampere was just a fucking mess entirely, you can blame Samsung's node for that.

Nothing changed here at all; come Ada there was a 7900XT (MSRP 900,-) fighting a 4070ti~4080 (MSRP choose your poison) with weaker RT and no DLSS.
AMD had no intent to push a lot of RDNA2 cards and they didn't push a lot of RDNA3 cards either.

This whole figment of imagination that AMD and Nvidia are still heavily going toe to toe is just successful marketing and a tech press/YT crowd making clickbait. In the meantime, AMD is just executing its custom chip strategy and Nvidia its AI/enterprise strategy. The leftovers go to gaming dGPUs, and both giants are making money.
 
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Too bad AMD cant help us get better high end GPUs. But I guess they dont want my money anymore.
Looks like my original post was either too obscure or people decided to ignore its meaning.

What I meant was, that LOTS of the people lamenting the lack of a high end AMD gpu only want such gpu released with the hope that Ngreedia would cut their prices, so those people never had any intentions in buying anything from AMD.

Your signature states that you have a 6800, if you really want something better, you can get a discounted 7900 XTX be ok for the next couple of years.
People always do forget this. AMD themselves confirmed back in 2021 that GPUs were de prioritized for EPYC, which was a far higher margin part.
Correct, but people also forget that AMD was so far gone, money wise that they simply had no money to fund everything they wanted to.

People also forget that even today, they are still at the mercy of Intel illegal actions (try to get an AMD powered laptop from Dell Latitude or a desktop from their Optiplex very lucrative business line).
It takes time and money to get back from where they were.

Hell, I think that they are still paying off their debts.
TSMC was a huge bottleneck.
Correct.
People also forget, or refuse to admit, that nvi9dia's prices are not price gouging.
That is absolutely false, they are price gouging.
Their gross margins simply dont lie, the margin on ada was the same if not worse then ampere.
Ngreedia current margins are at least 60% per GPU, according to Moore's law is dead and other places goes as high as 71%.

But AMD chasing high prices because they want to be a "preeemium" brand without the product to back it up defeats that.
So you expected them to charge what for a 7900 XTX, given that it was competing with the 4080, which launched at 1300?
Personally, I got a Pulse 7900 XTX for 899 and it included 2 games that I wanted, valued at around 170 bucks.
Mind you, that was close to when they launched, not recently.

Has the 4080 ever reached those prices?
The 7900xtx, 7800xt, 6800xt, ece were all praised and recommended as great price/perf GPUs. Notice those are not cheap either.
They got praised and then thrown back into the closet.

Those same people simply continued doing their videos with Ngreedia GPUs.

And they were cheaper than the Ngreedia equivalent.
Not having DLSS IS a con when it is the dominant tech.
As I mentioned to W1zzard, being superior doesnt matter when its limited to one vendor.

That is called lock-in tech and it has been Ngreedia MO since they bought Ageia for their PhysX cards.

Back in the day, vendors, reviewers (not the influencers that we have today) and smart consumers (not the sheep that we have today) would fight and reject such crap.

IBM tried to do this with their amazing MicroChannel tech, but everyone saw what they wanted to do (lock you into their system) but the industry went with ISA which was open standard even though it wasn’t superior to MicroChannel.

How bad it is today? check the hit videos published by Tim Jensen from Ngreedia Unboxed when it was RUMORED that AMD blocked his beloved DLSS from Starfield.

But he has never, not once, bitched about a game being polluted with DLSS or even release an apology video when he was proven wrong about Starfield.

AMD could push FSR in the same way and get some marketshare, bu that requires effort, and AMD seems allergic to it.
See above and now adding this.


Same as what AMD did with FSR.

But nobody has ever praised FSR being open source and open standard. Instead is the same nonsense "Its absolute garbage!".

And dont forget the eternal lie, "All AMD drivers sucks!"

But looking at Intel GPUs drivers, they are beyond garbage, yet nobody mentions that.

Only AMD drivers are garbage. :peace:

never going to see the engage in pricing wars again.
They would, but the conditions for that wont happen, since it means that all the sheep will wake up about being locked in, priced gouged, etc and for everyone to see that buying a 60 class Ngreedia gpu doesnt mean that they have a 90 class one.

But if somehow everyone decided to buy AMD or Intel at the lower end and lose market share, then you will see them acting.

I wont hold my breath for that to happen though.
 
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Thank God there are smaller SKUs coming as well. That is what a lot of younger gamers and older former hardcore gamers with little time on their hands have been waiting for. I love to game, but have little time to do it so 160 to 200 Euro is a good price for a small card with little power draw in idle for me.
 
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They would, but the conditions for that wont happen
There are no conditions, once you gain a certain status in the eyes of your customers there is no going back. Intel is another example of this, even to this day they're refusing to drop the price premiums because they know it would mean the end of their brand, the 285K is a massive failure for it's price tag but they soldier on as if they're still no.1.
 
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There are no conditions, once you gain a certain status in the eyes of your customers there is no going back. Intel is another example of this, even to this day they're refusing to drop the price premiums because they know it would mean the end of their brand, the 285K is a massive failure for it's price tag but they soldier on as if they're still no.1.
True to a point.

Intel is still selling more cpus than AMD.

Ignore us the DYIers, Dell and the others are still fiercely loyal to Intel, so they will weather this storm for a while longer.

Then you have corporations which have people in high places that would only buy intel and will give you dirty looks (and more, since in a meeting about purchasing hardware, i suggested to also include AMD cpus and it didn’t end well for me).

Believe or not, it has to get a lot worse for this to change.
 
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Just waiting to see what the 9000 XT or whatever they call it will offer so I can sell my 4080 Super.
If anyone wants Ngreedia's blur gimmicks - get their card.
I don't want to pay for a hi-end card and watch blurTV.
About - but, but it just works - really?

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…you do realize that AMD is also banking heavily on “blur gimmicks”? It’s not just NVidia. Upscalers and frame gen are here to stay, unfortunately, since it’s a convenient crutch.

If you unironically think that the new AMD cards will be significantly faster in terms of raw performance than their near-price NV counterparts, well, uh, good luck with that?

If you want to buy an AMD card - just go ahead, it’s a viable choice. But contorting yourself into rationalizing it via straight up silly arguments is probably not the way to go about things.
 
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